TT lovers 15 facts for you to Consider

TT lovers 15 facts for you to Consider

There are 84 comments on the www.cbssports.com story from Mar 7, 2009, titled TT lovers 15 facts for you to Consider. In it, www.cbssports.com reports that:

For being such a draft wizard the only notable 1st pick is Hawk 3. Drafting Harrell 4. Firing Sherman he was a proven winner with only 1 losing season.

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“Go Pack Go”

Since: Jun 07

Stevens Point, Wisconsin

#1 Mar 7, 2009
I am a Packer Fan, and try to support the team and the front office, but Ted is making it harder and harder for me to support him. The worst part is looking ahead at this year and not seeing any improvement over last year. Here's hoping we don't draft another "Harrell" this year. I guess what I am looking for, is a bright spot for the up coming season, any thoughts?
Sergio

United States

#2 Mar 7, 2009
I just hope that the Packers with this whole intired change of defence can pull through this season.otherwise is going to be another disapointing season.and Kampman and outside linebacker? he's a passrusher!!
eric

Marshfield, WI

#3 Mar 7, 2009
up the season is still only 16 games instead of the proposed 18,and we still have Detroit in out div.although they will be better ( how cant you be after last year,and after going 0-16,you have to sign FA).

AR with a year under should be better,Grant with a full Training camp hopefully wont be hurt half the season like he was last year.
our defensive coaching staff is better then last year.
at least the punter we had at the end can kick it 38 yards!
4 years with TT 4-12 rebuild
8-8 nice progression
13-3 lost the NFC title game
6-10,,im sure the whole bs had an effect,AR first year as a starter although he played well,there were a few games with experience he would have pulled out and that 6-10 would have been 9-7 or 8-8,and with injuries to so many key players,not alot of teams would have been much better,so with new training and strength coach they shouldnt be dropping like flies with hammy;s ( ive never seen so many guys with hammys at once or in one season as last year!).
but
with a new defense it might take a while to kick it in,but,they say it plays to AJ Hawks strength,so..........
i remember the defnese going from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in 93 or 94 and of course getting Reggie White,Sean Jones, Santana Dotson ect didnt hurt.
normallylikeyell ow

Bellwood, PA

#4 Mar 7, 2009
That's 31-33 by my math. Hardly a ringing success. And now, year 5, we're overhauling the defense? Not the way most winning programs work. If you go back to MM's statements about their defense over the previous 3 years, he totally embraced the concept: "It's how we do things here." Press, get push, create turnovers. And now it's not how we do things here. I don't believe anything these guys say anymore.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#5 Mar 8, 2009
thats true,but, 4-12 was a first year of a rebuild with 32 guys who were rookies or in their 2nd year,so that was to be expected.
so that's 27-20 in year 2-4,not great,but,not bad i guess.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#6 Mar 8, 2009
eric wrote:
thats true,but, 4-12 was a first year of a rebuild with 32 guys who were rookies or in their 2nd year,so that was to be expected.
so that's 27-20 in year 2-4,not great,but,not bad i guess.
You GUESS wrong. If 4-12 is to be expected in the first year, what is to be expected in year four? If you believe that 6 wins (with 2 against the worst team in NFL history) is to be expected, please start supporting some other team. May I suggest the Lions?

True Packer fans KNOW (we don't guess) that TT must go! The people that support TT have stuck their heads in the sand. This explains why they can't see and the lack of oxygen reaching their brains.
normallylikeyell ow

Washington, DC

#7 Mar 8, 2009
Well sticking up for eric, this would be dark place, devoid of optimism without him. Let's hope I am sooooo wrong.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#8 Mar 8, 2009
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
You GUESS wrong. If 4-12 is to be expected in the first year, what is to be expected in year four? If you believe that 6 wins (with 2 against the worst team in NFL history) is to be expected, please start supporting some other team. May I suggest the Lions?
True Packer fans KNOW (we don't guess) that TT must go! The people that support TT have stuck their heads in the sand. This explains why they can't see and the lack of oxygen reaching their brains.
4-12 with a whole new team was to be expeceted 32 rookies,2nd year players ect.year 2,3 and 4 a combined 27-20 thats 8-8 a nice progression from a 4-12,then 13-3 from 8-8 a nice jump again,now 6-10 does suck,but,with alot of starters out injured and 7 loses b 4 pts or less and a new qb there will be pains,now if we go 6-10,8-8 this year there will be concern and rightfully so.dont give me the root for another team shit,i am a realist.27-20 the last 3 years isnt great,but,its not bad either.8-8 considering where it was from was a good year,13-3 of course was fantastic and a 6-10 hiccup from various reasons.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#9 Mar 8, 2009
eric wrote:
<quoted text>4-12 with a whole new team was to be expeceted 32 rookies,2nd year players ect.year 2,3 and 4 a combined 27-20 thats 8-8 a nice progression from a 4-12,then 13-3 from 8-8 a nice jump again,now 6-10 does suck,but,with alot of starters out injured and 7 loses b 4 pts or less and a new qb there will be pains,now if we go 6-10,8-8 this year there will be concern and rightfully so.dont give me the root for another team shit,i am a realist.27-20 the last 3 years isnt great,but,its not bad either.8-8 considering where it was from was a good year,13-3 of course was fantastic and a 6-10 hiccup from various reasons.
13-3 was with half the starting players acquired prior to TT. 6-10 was with all but a handful of players on the roster acquired by Thompson. "Realistic" fans don't excuse executives bad years. Keep in mind the Packers had a winning record the year before. It is BS to say 2005 was a rebuilding year.
jack

United States

#10 Mar 9, 2009
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
13-3 was with half the starting players acquired prior to TT. 6-10 was with all but a handful of players on the roster acquired by Thompson. "Realistic" fans don't excuse executives bad years. Keep in mind the Packers had a winning record the year before. It is BS to say 2005 was a rebuilding year.
Dont try to explain it to some. The same things will be said, injuries, 7 losses by 4 points or less, first year QB(not really was there $ years TT said he was ready Flaco and some other were first year)ETC. The youngest team again lets see how that works. Some of the Vets. IMO are pissed because of AR cantract after 5 games and then the team goes 6-10. When the vets contracts were do TT got cheap even though he knew what he had.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#11 Mar 9, 2009
I guess we are supposed to go 13-3 every year or the green bay packers suck! I'm sure the vets are pissed off having Aaron Rodgers on their team, give me a break! other teams who NEED a QB would die to have AR on their team! just because we don't sign free agents TT sucks? look at pittsburg and indy, they built their teams within the organization, once you sign veteran free agents they have no motivation to go out and prove anything! young players in the nfl are hungry to win and prove what they are worth being paid the big contract, quit being just packer fans and be REALISTIC! Its about team chemistry in the nfl, not signing free agents who get their pay day and then don't have the same desire as a young player trying to make it in the nfl, cowboys,raiders,redskins for example! I'm almost sure all these teams making big splashes in free agency won't even make the playoffs(redskins,broncos,chie fs,Lions, possibly pats and giants because they have drafted well in the past) but free agency isn't the ticket, its a desperate move!
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#12 Mar 9, 2009
HE has drafted well, hawk,jennings,blackmon,jolly in 06, 05-rodgers,collins,poppinga, not a bad start! and others who have played on special teams which if i recall have completely turned around since mike sherman. plus jordy nelson, james jones and the 07 draft some of these players are going to have a good year, plus we did sign donald lee,ryan grant,atari bigby,charles woodson and ryan pickett, so he has signed free agents just not for millions upon millions of dollars, this year will be the difference in TT staying here, also MM, if they don't get the job done this year unfortunately they will be gone, no patience in GB, unlike the way pittsburg runs their organization, or tennesse, and they have been pretty successful, by the way indy and the pats, oh and don't forget the giants who were running their coach out the year they won the superbowl!
eric

Marshfield, WI

#13 Mar 9, 2009
dont try to tell some as TT ran BF out of town,we arent champs every season,rebuild isnt an option in 05 as we were 4-12.as a young team,theres no reason why we shouldnt run off some consecutive winning seasons from here on out as most of the team has been playing together for a while now,once we get adjusted to the 3-4 and gell together within it we will be fine.
The offense should produce more and keep the defense off the field abit more this year which will help.
normallylikeyell ow

Washington, DC

#14 Mar 9, 2009
Well Jeremy, SOME of that is true. See Wal's post regarding TT's draft choices sticking in the league--not very good. Pittsburgh, NE and Indy pick guys that can play. And the Giants and NE pick FAs that help them win, so your point doesn't stand up to logic. Sherman had one losing season and multiple division championships. And it was TT who dumped two Pro Bowl O linemen and we promptly went 4-12. We are 27-21 since, one division title, 2 .500 or below. What's done is done.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#15 Mar 9, 2009
green bay picked fa that helped us like donald lee bigby, grant,and woodson c'mon!their two pro bowl linemen were irrelevant after they left green bay so that was a goood move same as walker and diggs just to name a few that TT got rid of out of shermans great draft choices, so my point does stand to logic if you need more examples just ask!
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#16 Mar 9, 2009
i agree eric, we should start going on a run from here on out, if not, then i would recant on my statement about TT and MM
eric

Marshfield, WI

#17 Mar 9, 2009
but Marco Rivera killed his back and retired after a season or 2 in Dallas,Wahle was released by Carolina for whatever reason. and both were gone as Sherman put the Packers in cap hell and the Packers couldnt afford them.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#18 Mar 9, 2009
also,remember when TT was in seattle? how were they before he came to town? for god's sake they were a superbowl team and a winning superbowl team if the refs didn't blow major calls in that superbowl does anybody remember that?
normallylikeyell ow

Washington, DC

#19 Mar 10, 2009
2 Pro Bowl Lineman were irrelevant? lol Tell Mike Sherman that--the sacks alone tell the story. Green got injured--it was a mess. eric, like we knew that about Rivera at the time? One of the replacements Ted brought in didn't even make the squad. I want Ted to succeed as much as the next guy but that was not a popular move getting rid Riviera and Wahl and the results were disastrous. TT "built" a SB team in Seatle? I'd give Holmgren at least half the credit: Hasselback, Alexander, etc. were all his guys.
Pack Fan in Sea of Purple

Mankato, MN

#20 Mar 10, 2009
jeremy wrote:
also,remember when TT was in seattle? how were they before he came to town? for god's sake they were a superbowl team and a winning superbowl team if the refs didn't blow major calls in that superbowl does anybody remember that?
Seattle didn't make it to the Super Bowl until after TT left town and was dumped on the Packers. Seattle's resurgence had much more to do with Holmgren than with anything TT had to do with. Please know the facts before posting on this board. There are far too many bandwagon AR and TT fans on here as it is.

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