Vandermause: Judge Packers GM by resu...

Vandermause: Judge Packers GM by results, not winter signings

There are 17 comments on the WisInfo story from Mar 12, 2009, titled Vandermause: Judge Packers GM by results, not winter signings. In it, WisInfo reports that:

The approval rating for Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson might have plummeted to an all-time low this week.

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normallylikeyell ow

United States

#1 Mar 12, 2009
Interesting argument, but the fact is we went 6-10. He mentions Frank Walker (13-3 season), who scarcely played and was not re-signed. He mentions Woodson and Pickett, who ARE great players. So his point is what? Credit Ted for finding undervalued free agents? Okay. I give him credit for Woodson and Pickett. Good job Ted. Does Anthony Smith come with the resume of those two? Not hardly. Can't I blame him for losing Williams and Cole? He drafted Harrell first. Has Brandon Chillar set the world on fire? He's still listed as a backup. Is there a punter out there? Given the deal, was it really necessary to allow Ryan Grant to sit out all that time?...and we were 6-10, "judging by results." Are we going backwards or forward?
eric

Marshfield, WI

#2 Mar 12, 2009
Ryan Picketts reputation in STL was he was always to heavy.STL wanted him lower and RP was around 325 or so,until he had his best year his contract year,and TT took a shot after 3 questionable years,so TT should get credit for RP.
Williams,well,you might be right,although WIlliams didnt do a hell of alot last year with Cleveland.Cole was given 21 m over 4 or 5 years and he was a backup here,and some question about being able to hold a block,although he is 6 1 330 or so,some think he cant hold a block enough to play 3-4 so that is a question to be answered,we cant credit or belame Ted for losing Cole.
the punter at the end of the year did well,TED is definately wrong for cutting Jon Ryan although JR was horribly inconcsistant,there wasnt a suitable backup,the kid was great in practice but sucked during games so he was cut also
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#3 Mar 13, 2009
No DT plays every down. Especially not Harrell. We've gotten thin at the position -- and Jolly's status is still uncertain, no? Pickett too heavy? Didn't remember that. Maybe Andre Smith is our guy--ha. He looked a mess at that workout. Michael Oher might be the better selection -- though he's not the brightest bulb on the tree. He's been compared to Orlando Pace. I'd take that.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#4 Mar 13, 2009
man did Andre Smith take a hit,well there is time to make a comeback.Pickett was around 330 and STL wanted him around 310 or so adn his first few years were abit off,until his contract year where he kicked tail and TT signed him.
They might have Jolly,they might have Harrell.They are rather thin as you said,so Ted should be drafting a few d lineman and sign a FA or to.
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#5 Mar 13, 2009
I don't think Ted will take Andre Smith. Character/work ethic seems in question and I can't see it. Oher had a tough life until some folks adopted him and had him tutored--though he still had like 2.00 grade average. I'm sure that's why he declared. He was borderline eligible. So Raji or some cheaper substitute (sorry couldn't help myself) may be in order -- or the Packer special--trade the pick. I'm going with C. I bet Ted trades that pick.
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#6 Mar 13, 2009
Indianapolis would be a good trade partner on #9. They could trade up for a tackle and we could grab Evander Hood at 27 and save a lot of bonus money. He is going to be great.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#7 Mar 13, 2009
i think they should pick orlando pace and give these young offensive lineman some competition for that starting spot, be nice to have for grant and rodgers also, to open holes and protect rodgers, if pace still has enough in him
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#8 Mar 13, 2009
pace is a fa if somebody didn't know
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#9 Mar 13, 2009
normallylikeyellow wrote:
Indianapolis would be a good trade partner on #9. They could trade up for a tackle and we could grab Evander Hood at 27 and save a lot of bonus money. He is going to be great.
i agree, its starting to be more common to trade down in the draft, i think people are following what the pats do, i think they have been trading down the past few years, and something is working there i believe, look how much we have invested in hawk and he has had a tough time, but their saying this is "HIS" year, I HOPE! way too much money invested in someone for who hasn;t proved anything in the NFL, TRADE DOWN!!!!!!which he will!that's what the pats do
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#10 Mar 13, 2009
I think chiller looked pretty good, i remember him breaking up nice pass plays in coverage, he did have a few breakdowns in d, but was it his ALL his fault or maybe bob sanders didn't make the right call defense, no matter what i thought he looked like he had some promise
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#11 Mar 13, 2009
Chillar's a cover guy--an odd size within this scheme to play outside except on obvious pass downs.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#12 Mar 13, 2009
hopefully grant stays healthy because i am probably gonna take him 1st in fantasy(if AP isn't there), he is in for a big year, maybe if we get pace for a couple years we could make a run, look what pace did for Steven Jackson a couple years ago, that would be a good vet on the team, but i know its not our NEED! and i don't know how much gas is left in the tank!just a FA thought!
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#13 Mar 13, 2009
yes, exactly on passing downs is what he could be used for. How much do you think they will do 3-4 to 4-3( 50-50)or(60-40)? sounds like the plan is to switch back and forth 3-4 to 4-3?i thought i read that somewhere
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#14 Mar 13, 2009
The 3-4 defense in the NFL is all the rage, but switching to it can make you go into a rage. The Packers are attempting to make the transition, and they understand the challenges that lie ahead. I know they are making the correct decision, but we have to be patient as this is not easy thing to do, besides transitioning after the legend #4 left, we are still young and their is alot of hope with this team, dom capers is more than qualified enough to let Ted know what kind of players we need, but we can't make rash decisions THIS year, we are getting set up for a good run guys, so get on board and support this team!
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#15 Mar 13, 2009
Dude what are you tooting? You're out-posting me 4:1! In re: fantasy (1), I never take Packers, then I can just enjoy the game; 3-4 vs 4-3 (2) really depends on the run defense--our weakness--we need blocker eaters in the middle and we are thin at DT; and 3-4 rage (3)--well a lot depends on your outside backers and your corners, who play under diamond and press coverage, depending on the call. The outside backers concern me most: Kampman learning the position and finding a complement on the other side. I see Woodson moving to FS soon, matching up man in nickel blitz schemes. Bigby will excel in this scheme if healthy--fly and hit like Palomalu. Sadly we may not re-sign him. Collins is not a good zone guy. Anthony Smith? Can't cover. Rouse is actually a good type for the 3-4 if he can learn it. As I said, I would draft Evander Hood or Everett Brown. Those guys will contribute right away.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#16 Mar 13, 2009
normallylikeyellow wrote:
Dude what are you tooting? You're out-posting me 4:1! In re: fantasy (1), I never take Packers, then I can just enjoy the game; 3-4 vs 4-3 (2) really depends on the run defense--our weakness--we need blocker eaters in the middle and we are thin at DT; and 3-4 rage (3)--well a lot depends on your outside backers and your corners, who play under diamond and press coverage, depending on the call. The outside backers concern me most: Kampman learning the position and finding a complement on the other side. I see Woodson moving to FS soon, matching up man in nickel blitz schemes. Bigby will excel in this scheme if healthy--fly and hit like Palomalu. Sadly we may not re-sign him. Collins is not a good zone guy. Anthony Smith? Can't cover. Rouse is actually a good type for the 3-4 if he can learn it. As I said, I would draft Evander Hood or Everett Brown. Those guys will contribute right away.
good insight!kampman is definitely a question mark, but he has a blue collar work ethic and i hope he can get the job done!I really believe capers can teach these guys and get them on the fast track!capers resume is VERY solid, as far as i know he turned teams around very quickly wherever he went in 1-2 years, turning his defenses to the very top.He has been a defensive coordinator for three clubs: Pittsburgh (1992-94), Jacksonville (1999-2000) and Miami (2007). As a defensive coordinator, Capers was honored twice as the Pro Football Weekly/PFWA Assistant Coach of the Year, first in Pittsburgh (1994) and later in Jacksonville (1999).All of those teams were at the very top in defense when he got there so that is a good sign of things to come!
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#17 Mar 13, 2009
Capers improved the Miami Dolphins defense in 2006 from 23rd to fourth in the NFL. Jason Taylor earned NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors as well. Can anyone else envision Aaron Kampman as Player of the Year in 2009? I can.

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