Mike Vandermause column: DE is most u...

Mike Vandermause column: DE is most urgent need

There are 16 comments on the WisInfo story from Apr 8, 2009, titled Mike Vandermause column: DE is most urgent need. In it, WisInfo reports that:

The NFL draft is just 17 days away, and figuring out which players the Green Bay Packers will target must begin with an assessment of their roster.

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GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1 Apr 8, 2009
Just the other day Mike Vandermause was saying that our division rivals were "gambling" and seemed to be encouraging TT to "stay the course." TT has claimed the roster is fine "as is."

So why do the Packers need a DE? Isn't it a "gamble" to sign a DE, especially in the first round? All first rounders are over-priced and unproven. Definitely too risky wouldn't you say? Hasn't the defense been fixed with the new DC and the switch to the 3-4?

Is Mike Vadermause just wishy-washy or is he starting to think for himself. He better be careful. TT prefers his sports writers to be sheep.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#2 Apr 8, 2009
Every draft pick is somewhat of a gamble,if it were for sure, then every team would want that top ten pick,but most don't.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Apr 9, 2009
jeremy wrote:
Every draft pick is somewhat of a gamble,if it were for sure, then every team would want that top ten pick,but most don't.
Okay. So it IS a good thing to gamble on unproven rookies, but it ISN'T a good thing to gamble on proven veteran free agents. I got it now. Ted Thompson is teaching me soooooo much.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#4 Apr 9, 2009
Look at Washington who buys the best FA and tell me how far they are getting in playoffs every year.Dallas,tell me how far they get.
Now Pittsburgh,loses more FA then anyone and replaces them with draft picks and how far do they get.
Ron Wolf fully supports Ted Thompson,but i suppose you know more about football then Ron Wolf
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#5 Apr 9, 2009
eric wrote:
Look at Washington who buys the best FA and tell me how far they are getting in playoffs every year.Dallas,tell me how far they get.
Now Pittsburgh,loses more FA then anyone and replaces them with draft picks and how far do they get.
Ron Wolf fully supports Ted Thompson,but i suppose you know more about football then Ron Wolf
I'm sure that Ron wishes TT luck. So do I. Luck is the only thing TT has going for him.

But to suggest that Ron supports an approach to the game so contrary to his own shows how foolish and ignorant you are.

And no I do not think I know more than Ron Wolf about football. But Ron and I both wish TT hadn't learned so little while TT was working for him. Although I have heard that TT nade a mean cup of coffee.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#6 Apr 9, 2009
eric wrote:
Look at Washington who buys the best FA and tell me how far they are getting in playoffs every year.Dallas,tell me how far they get.
Now Pittsburgh,loses more FA then anyone and replaces them with draft picks and how far do they get.
Ron Wolf fully supports Ted Thompson,but i suppose you know more about football then Ron Wolf
Washington has been ineffective in free agency in the past as have the Packers. Not coincidentally both teams have few playoff appearances over the last 4 years.

Pittsburgh has been very effective in free agency and the draft. Not coincidentally they are Superbowl champs.

Your point that some teams, such as Pittsburgh, have good management and that other teams, such as GB and Washington, have poor management is well taken.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#7 Apr 9, 2009
Yes we know you hate Ted for whatever other reason.Wash.is a huge FA TEAM and missed playoffs,
Dallas has won a playoff game in a decade,a FA team
Pitts built through the draft are championship caliber.
You gotta get over your sick obsession with Ted and life will be more enjoyable for you.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#8 Apr 9, 2009
eric wrote:
Yes we know you hate Ted for whatever other reason.Wash.is a huge FA TEAM and missed playoffs,
Dallas has won a playoff game in a decade,a FA team
Pitts built through the draft are championship caliber.
You gotta get over your sick obsession with Ted and life will be more enjoyable for you.
As always, you butt licking TT lovers prove once again how stupid you are. 30 players on the Steelers roster were acquired as free agents. Stop posting without knowing the facts idiot.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#9 Apr 9, 2009
eric wrote:
Yes we know you hate Ted for whatever other reason.Wash.is a huge FA TEAM and missed playoffs,
Dallas has won a playoff game in a decade,a FA team
Pitts built through the draft are championship caliber.
You gotta get over your sick obsession with Ted and life will be more enjoyable for you.
Yes we all know you love TT for no reason. That must be why you attempt to justify your infatuation with statements that are not supported by any facts. You gotta get over your gay, sick obsession with Ted and life will be more enjoyable for you.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#10 Apr 9, 2009
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. So it IS a good thing to gamble on unproven rookies, but it ISN'T a good thing to gamble on proven veteran free agents. I got it now. Ted Thompson is teaching me soooooo much.
I referenced on DE in the draft, as drafting is almost always a gamble,never said anything about FA.Your taking what I say way out of context. I wish we would get Peppers, but for some reason NOBODY is, because the price is to high.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#11 Apr 9, 2009
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. So it IS a good thing to gamble on unproven rookies, but it ISN'T a good thing to gamble on proven veteran free agents. I got it now. Ted Thompson is teaching me soooooo much.
If we signed Peppers, would you be a little satisfied?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#12 Apr 9, 2009
jeremy wrote:
<quoted text>I referenced on DE in the draft, as drafting is almost always a gamble,never said anything about FA.Your taking what I say way out of context. I wish we would get Peppers, but for some reason NOBODY is, because the price is to high.
You realize I was dogging TT and not you with that response, don't you? Don't take everything so personally.
jeremy

Mooreton, ND

#13 Apr 9, 2009
I don't, thought you were referencing me.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#14 Apr 9, 2009
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we all know you love TT for no reason. That must be why you attempt to justify your infatuation with statements that are not supported by any facts. You gotta get over your gay, sick obsession with Ted and life will be more enjoyable for you.
actually i think Ted turned down your gay advances toward him ,thats why your so pissed and agaisnt him.
I know you know more then Ron WOlf and the guys in the booth,the writers who voted him GM of the year.the fact he took a team that had to be gutted and went from 4-12 to the NFC title game where your boy BF cost us yet another playoff game with an INT and then 1 step back because the Packers are the only team in history to fall back when losing many starters due to injury.Injury costs teams more then anything if you knew anything about football,the old saying the healthist team wins it for the most part,you would fiqure it out,instead you have a obsessive hate for the man,you have a man crush on or something.Give us something to use instead of the tired bullshit Ted sucks,ect its getting old.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#15 Apr 9, 2009
The following FACTS, after 4 years of Ted, prove that TT is a horrible GM:

1. A "losing" cumulative record.
2. Third place in one of the NFL's weakest divisions.
3. Only one winning season.
4. 6 wins with 2 against the worst team in NFL history.
5. Switch to the 3-4 after years of coaching and acquiring players for the 4-3.
6. Failure to attract and sign players through a combination of the draft, free agency and trades to significantly(or even marginally) improve the teams overall talent.

TT took over a 10-6 team and has averaged 6-10 since, with the exception of one fluke year. The fluke had little to do with Ted, and was due in large part to:

1. The experienced veteran players and the leadership they provided. Half the 2007 starters were acquired prior to TT's arrival. By the end of last year only a handful remained on the entire roster.
2 Favre's near MVP season (2nd only to Brady and his record 50 TD season)
3. The easiest schedule in the NFL
4. Remarkably few injuries.

Even a bad GM like TT was able to win under these circumstances. Ted had nothing to do with the last 3 factors. A good GM doesn't need this kind of luck in order to win.

You have milked Ted's fluke for all it's worth. It's time for you to get off of Ted's fluke and pull your head out of his butt.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#16 Apr 12, 2009
Defensive end is our biggest need? The defense definitely needs a run stopping NT. The Packers only have 2 legit LBs penciled in as starters, Hawk and Barnett. Who knows how healthy Barnett will return. The linebacking corp did not play particularly well last year even when healthy. Hawk's production has fallen off since his rookie year. The Packer's starting CBs are aging and one may be moved to safety. Nobody can be sure how many, if any, of the players on Defense will adjust well to the new scheme being implemented this year. On offense, durability and depth at RB are questionable and the line was iffy last year even prior to the injuries. No one player has emerged as a solid starter at TE and there is no experience at QB should Rodgers go down.

Ted Thompson has run the previous 4 drafts so poorly that this is the current state of the Packers. Ted has never drafted a real "impact" rookie before, but even assuming he does this time, how is that going to be enough?

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