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Offensive line tops list of Vikes' 0-1 concerns

There are 55 comments on the Star Tribune story from Sep 12, 2011, titled Offensive line tops list of Vikes' 0-1 concerns. In it, Star Tribune reports that:

Mark Craig has covered football and the NFL the past 20 years, including the Browns from 1991-95 and the Vikings and the NFL since 2003.

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Since: Dec 06

United States

#21 Sep 16, 2011
Hot Karl wrote:
Travis so far has made the best points. Yes the secondary is poor, has been for many, many years. But a strong pass rush can cover that up. If a QB doesn't have time to throw, he throws errantly, thus lower competion percentage, higher interception rate. Honestly Paul Krause wouldn't have the all time interception record if it wasn't for Eller, Larson, Page, and Marshall. The dude was a center fielder, when the QB was rushed he threw it up. You build winning teams in the trenches on both sides of the ball and suppliment from there. You give Spergon Wynn 8 seconds to throw the ball and a reciever will get open and he will find him. OK, sorry maybe not Spergon Wynn, but Rick Mirer might.
Krause was a stud in Wash. before Bud completed his defense by acquiring him.Just saying.
Since 1969 I've seen it all.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#22 Sep 16, 2011
TRPE wrote:
So is it just me or is it funny that we did not spend more time and effort trying to better our D in the draft and preseason? For Pete's sake we have two superbowl winning defensive players coaching our team, one being the head coach. I know Rudolph was a good value and a nice pick if you were in need of a TE, but I would have rather had a CB or S. Or on the other side of the ball OL for that matter over a TE. It just seems like we are spinning our wheels.
btw Karl, I am liking your posts more now :)
Travis
C'mon Travis, don't run from your true feelings. Deep down you know Obama is the greatest and that you're a huge fan. You don't have to come out now, give it a year and then come out. I'll hook you up with a t-shirt and a flava flav size campaign button that you can strut around the house in. Don't wear it outside because you'll be mobbed by beautiful women and then you have to deal with the jealous husbands. It's a mess, trust me I've been there. Ok, joke time is over.
I apologize, I'll keep the politics where it belongs.
Personally I like the Rudolph pick, a while back we had two awesome recievers in Reed and Carter and they drafted Moss. Picks like that give more flexability down the road. Personally I think they should move Cook to safety. He has talent but with lack of durability he is a liability as a corner because his development has been slowed. Sanford hasn't really lived up to the billing of "hitter" but I like what I see out of the other saftey they have (his name is Islamic and I can't spell it). I heard rumors of Benny Sapp coming back so at the very least it gives them a warm body. As far as spinnng the wheels, it's been 50 years, I think they are still in neutral. Someday I'm sure they'll find a coach that can drive a stick.

Since: Mar 07

Littleton, CO

#23 Sep 16, 2011
hahaha Karl,
I would rather jam bamboo under my own fingernails :)
Ok back to football. MM mantioned WR as our biggest need, MM is great but I have to totally disagree because with 1.5 seconds to throw the ball it does not matter who the receivers are. We need OL help most of all, then get rid of Bernard and get someone else. I have said it before that Cook sucks at CB if he is to stay it should be S. He just seems lost out there. I have never been a fan of Cedric either he plays way too soft and gets beat for 10 -15 yrd dunk shots all the time. There is a reason that he led all DBs in tackles, his guy alwasy got the ball. I say if they revamp the OL and DBs we are then back in the hunt for the North and more!

Travis

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#24 Sep 16, 2011
Hot Karl wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at the Ravens team that wonn a superbowl. I remember their recievers were Brandon Stokley, Jermaine Lewis, and an old Shannon Sharpe. After that I really can't name another. None of them were great, not bad, but not great. When a team doesn't have top flight talent, you need to give them more time to get the ball in the air and more time to get open. The most productive offensive team the Vikings ever had (1998) boasted two pro-bowl tackles (Steusie,Stringer)and a pro bowl center (Christie). This team needs a lot of work from to to bottom and the best way to do that is to start up front.
christie & steussie are examples of offensive linemen who made the probowl because of great offensive performance.

Ravens had elite players everywhere - on defense. they are not comparable to the vikings

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#25 Sep 16, 2011
I gotta say, Karl, love having your contributions around here.
Kyle Orifice

Miami, FL

#26 Sep 16, 2011
O Line? Hell, try getting a QB that doesn't have his retirement papers in his back pocket.

Outside of the made-for-tv stories of Warner and Brady, elite SB-caliber QBs are drafted, not picked up in free agency. And in today's NFL, you need an elite QB to be a serious SB competitor.
Elitefarts

Cypress, TX

#27 Sep 16, 2011
I guess that leaves the Dolphins out then...

Since: Aug 11

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#28 Sep 16, 2011
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>christie & steussie are examples of offensive linemen who made the probowl because of great offensive performance.
Ravens had elite players everywhere - on defense. they are not comparable to the vikings
Which reinforces my point about building the defense. You can never have too many good players at any position. That's also a reason I liked the Rudolph pick, sure we didn't need a tight end, but it's better to take a good player than to reach for an average one. Last year I got lit up in another place for going with the "best player available" instead of Jimmy Clausen. Someday the guy may be something but right now he is battling to be a second stringer.
Laughing Bear Fan

Littleton, CO

#29 Sep 16, 2011
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>christie & steussie are examples of offensive linemen who made the probowl because of great offensive performance.
Ravens had elite players everywhere - on defense. they are not comparable to the vikings
Don't forget Zimmerman...HOF..just had to go somewhere else to win a Superbowl
Trent Dilfer

Littleton, CO

#30 Sep 16, 2011
Kyle Orifice wrote:
Outside of the made-for-tv stories of Warner and Brady, elite SB-caliber QBs are drafted, not picked up in free agency. And in today's NFL, you need an elite QB to be a serious SB competitor.
Get your head out of your orifice, remember me?
Tim Teblow

Littleton, CO

#31 Sep 16, 2011
Hot Karl wrote:
<quoted text>
Last year I got lit up in another place for going with the "best player available" instead of Jimmy Clausen. Someday the guy may be something but right now he is battling to be a second stringer.
There's eternal hope I too someday will be a second stringer. But I have all the support from the fat little kids who were picked last for kickball during recess

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#32 Sep 16, 2011
Kyle Orifice wrote:
O Line? Hell, try getting a QB that doesn't have his retirement papers in his back pocket.
Outside of the made-for-tv stories of Warner and Brady, elite SB-caliber QBs are drafted, not picked up in free agency. And in today's NFL, you need an elite QB to be a serious SB competitor.
Um, I think we did that with Ponder. Give him some time to learn the system, then throw him out there. Everyone is fawning over Rodgers right now but keep in mind, he sat for four years and was dismal is his first two years in the preseason before they gave him the job. The Vikings tried it with Jackson and it didn't work out so they brought in Favre, who had his best season statisticly his first year here while he was on the verge of retirement. And I'm not taking a shot here but Brady was a sixth round draft pick, Warner and (I believe) Delhomme are the two quarterbacks that have made it to a super bowl without being drafted. Also, in the last 10 years there have been 2 quarterbacks that were signed as free agents that have won the superbowl, Brees and Johnson. Feel free to fact check in case I'm wrong.

Since: Mar 07

Littleton, CO

#33 Sep 16, 2011
Brady at 199 was the biggest draft steal ever... Who know's if someday someone will say Ponder at 12, that was a great pick! I think he will be a great QB, but time will tell. If we surround him with talent and protect him I think he will be awesome.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#34 Sep 16, 2011
Ok, Karl. So, somehow the Vikings are drafting & they have an opportunity for Andrew Luck QB, Matt Kalil OT, Quinto Coples DE, Justin Blackmon WR (or Ashlon Jeffery), or Alfonzo Dennard CB. All of them are future all-pro's for our purposes. Who would you select?:)

If we both agree on Andrew Luck being a no brainer, then who would you select after that? For me, it would be an all pro corner, then a WR, then a DE & then probably still not an OT.:D
Magnum Man

Fishers, IN

#35 Sep 16, 2011
Gentlemen,
Sauce for the goose if you will.

The Vikings offensive line ranked 4th in the NFC for week #1 and 16th in the entire NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats...

Vikings passing game ranked 16th in the NFC and 32nd in the NFL.
Jenkins was rated at 47
Harvin was rated at 64
Berrian was rated at 105 (didn't catch a pass?)

Now these numbers are raw to say the least. They will paint a lot clearer picture as time goes by and we begin to see trends set. Lets keep an eye on them and see if it is the Vikings Offensive line that needs to be rebuilt or the Receiving corps that should be rebuilt.

your thoughts.....

eric_113

“Blue collar in paradise”

Since: Mar 10

I did NOT miss a spot

#37 Sep 17, 2011
Same story as last year, and the year before that.

If the QB has no time to make reads or set his feet while throwing, the offense can't function. Going to the well with Peterson doesn't work either.

That was the most pathetic "wildcat" crap I ever saw. And twice in a row?

Defense doing well, but can't hold up forever against a talented team like the Chargers.

eric_113

“Blue collar in paradise”

Since: Mar 10

I did NOT miss a spot

#38 Sep 17, 2011
Magnum Man wrote:
Gentlemen,
Sauce for the goose if you will.
The Vikings offensive line ranked 4th in the NFC for week #1 and 16th in the entire NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats...
Vikings passing game ranked 16th in the NFC and 32nd in the NFL.
Jenkins was rated at 47
Harvin was rated at 64
Berrian was rated at 105 (didn't catch a pass?)
Now these numbers are raw to say the least. They will paint a lot clearer picture as time goes by and we begin to see trends set. Lets keep an eye on them and see if it is the Vikings Offensive line that needs to be rebuilt or the Receiving corps that should be rebuilt.
your thoughts.....
That's a good post. Well thought out and clear.

My thoughts... The O-line was a real obstacle to success the past couple years, despite what the stats say. The New Orleans debacle, where they showed no fire, or any willingness to fight back against the Saint's and their thuggish ways.(really, given how they were thrashing Farve, I would think some of those guys would take exception and start a fight)

Then last year, when Brett couldn't stand upright for more than a second VS any opponent...

Then, again the backfield couldn't block AT ALL.( A helpful fellow Vike fan pointed this out to me)

As for the wideouts... Berrian is there for the paycheck, always has been. No real desire to be great in the game. I think Harvin is the polar opposite- full of fire and ready to kick ass every Sunday. A true asset, a game changer.

Let's see what happens Sunday at home V the Bucs. It should be a real show of what the Vikes have this year.
Magnum Man

Fishers, IN

#39 Sep 17, 2011
eric_113 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a good post. Well thought out and clear.
My thoughts... The O-line was a real obstacle to success the past couple years, despite what the stats say. The New Orleans debacle, where they showed no fire, or any willingness to fight back against the Saint's and their thuggish ways.(really, given how they were thrashing Farve, I would think some of those guys would take exception and start a fight)
Then last year, when Brett couldn't stand upright for more than a second VS any opponent...
Then, again the backfield couldn't block AT ALL.( A helpful fellow Vike fan pointed this out to me)
As for the wideouts... Berrian is there for the paycheck, always has been. No real desire to be great in the game. I think Harvin is the polar opposite- full of fire and ready to kick ass every Sunday. A true asset, a game changer.
Let's see what happens Sunday at home V the Bucs. It should be a real show of what the Vikes have this year.
Agreed that we need more data, so seeing what happens when we play the bucs is key. Next game should be 3 things to look for in the vikings playbook:
1) Are we going to be a run dominated offense? How often do we use our pass attack or are we going to put the season on Petersons shoulders.
2) Will the passing game improve? If so great! If not where does the fault lie with? Are our receivers that bad, Is McNabb washed up, Is the OL needing replaced or is the offensive scheme need to be revamped?
3) We need to see Harvin have a monster game with short timed routes. This would "slow down" a defenses pass rush and open up the field. We need to see Peterson as a multi dimensional back. He needs to be able to catch a pass out of the back field. Adjustments to Fraziers game plan at halftime. Is he the coach we need?
After I got into this, I realized that the stats on the defensive side of the ball need to be analyzed. Something for next week.
your thoughts.....
Weekfarts

Cypress, TX

#40 Sep 18, 2011
4) Stop choking away leads

5) Fire Frasier

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42 Sep 19, 2011
Purple Faithful wrote:
Ok, Karl. So, somehow the Vikings are drafting & they have an opportunity for Andrew Luck QB, Matt Kalil OT, Quinto Coples DE, Justin Blackmon WR (or Ashlon Jeffery), or Alfonzo Dennard CB. All of them are future all-pro's for our purposes. Who would you select?:)
If we both agree on Andrew Luck being a no brainer, then who would you select after that? For me, it would be an all pro corner, then a WR, then a DE & then probably still not an OT.:D
Let's get into the season a little more before we start talking draft, but I do agree with the Luck pick. And the rate things are going for them they should be picking out a number for him right about now.

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