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Raiders near deal for Seahawks quarterback Matt Flynn

There are 48 comments on the The Campbell Reporter story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Raiders near deal for Seahawks quarterback Matt Flynn. In it, The Campbell Reporter reports that:

The Raiders are closing in on a trade for veteran quarterback Matt Flynn, according to a CBSSports.com report Friday.

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Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#21 Apr 1, 2013
I will disagree with you on the Geno Smith point. I dislike the guy. He rarely anticipates, and is strangely inconsistent(defense non-withstanding) hitting every pass one game, then missing half of them the next(maybe its a concentration thing, or something more systemic).

Either way, if not for Dana Holgerson(head coach at WVU), this guy would be another EJ Manuel, physically as talented as a QB can get basically but doesnt have the rest of the skills. As it stands Ej Manuel is likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder. That's the type of NFL talent Geno has. Not saying bust on this guy, just saying he isn't as good as a top 10 pick.
trollslayer wrote:
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I think Geno will be ok. I watched some of his games. He's smart, protects the ball and cans read "D" (42 Tds 6INTS). It's the WV "D" that a bust. A good "high school defense" couda'done better than the
WV "D".
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However, I agree, just let Pryor & Flynn 'slug it out' and the best man win. There should competition at every position. No one should feel "secure".
trollslayer

Cedar Lake, IN

#22 Apr 1, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
I will disagree with you on the Geno Smith point. I dislike the guy. He rarely anticipates, and is strangely inconsistent(defense non-withstanding) hitting every pass one game, then missing half of them the next(maybe its a concentration thing, or something more systemic).
Either way, if not for Dana Holgerson(head coach at WVU), this guy would be another EJ Manuel, physically as talented as a QB can get basically but doesnt have the rest of the skills. As it stands Ej Manuel is likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder. That's the type of NFL talent Geno has. Not saying bust on this guy, just saying he isn't as good as a top 10 pick.
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Well E.J. Manuel has never lost a bowl (1of2 to do it) and has seen his stock rise in the upcoming draft. Is he a finished product, NO. With good coaching, can he get better, Yes.
On Smith, I'm not sure if he or any of the Qb's are top10.However, ya' can't look away from a guy who has 42tds and just 6 picks. I hear PPL. talk "system" a lot....but isn't that what a HC is suppose to do on any level, put the players in a "system" that max's their talent????

I mean hypothetically speaking if "Corran Horn" is not a good writer, should I suggest you write a book or be a news paper reporter.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#23 Apr 1, 2013
You lost me there at the end with the writer comment.

If we are simply comparing stats guys like Graham Harrell would have been much more highly touted. Stats get you noticed and they get recognition. Physical size, speed, arm strength gets you noticed further when the games end the and under armor Olympics begin.

I think someone will take Geno with a top 10 pick just because there are so many teams desperate for a QB, but i think they will be dissapointed because he mentally isn't there yet.
trollslayer wrote:
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Well E.J. Manuel has never lost a bowl (1of2 to do it) and has seen his stock rise in the upcoming draft. Is he a finished product, NO. With good coaching, can he get better, Yes.
On Smith, I'm not sure if he or any of the Qb's are top10.However, ya' can't look away from a guy who has 42tds and just 6 picks. I hear PPL. talk "system" a lot....but isn't that what a HC is suppose to do on any level, put the players in a "system" that max's their talent????
I mean hypothetically speaking if "Corran Horn" is not a good writer, should I suggest you write a book or be a news paper reporter.
Captain Canada

Winnipeg, Canada

#24 Apr 1, 2013
Will wrote:
Cutting Palmer would cost the Raiders 9 million in dead money. Matt Flynn will cost 5 million . That's 14 million total. So the Raiders would get a lesser QB and pay 1 million more to do so . Not to mention giving up draft picks STUPID MOVE !!!
Just heard a report that the Raiders and Palmer are re-working his contract before dealing him to the Cardinals. Report mentioned that he would make 8 million this season, and I believe the Raiders can spread his cap hit over the next two years (all but 2.5 million this year, and the rest next season). Late round draft picks are also being discussed. Wouldn't take 10 million to play for the Raiders tho. Bring on Flynn.
trollslayer

Cedar Lake, IN

#25 Apr 1, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
You lost me there at the end with the writer comment.
If we are simply comparing stats guys like Graham Harrell would have been much more highly touted. Stats get you noticed and they get recognition. Physical size, speed, arm strength gets you noticed further when the games end the and under armor Olympics begin.
I think someone will take Geno with a top 10 pick just because there are so many teams desperate for a QB, but i think they will be dissapointed because he mentally isn't there yet.
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Corran Horn wrote:
You lost me there at the end with the writer comment.
It was a hypothetical 'playing to ones strengths analogy'...based on what on your "system" comment.
Corran Horn wrote:
"but i think they will be dissapointed because he(Smith) mentally isn't there yet."
Geno was smart enuff to avoid throwing a lotta' picks in college ( just 6)
How do you qualify or quantify the above statement vs. any rookie Qb going into the NFL?

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#26 Apr 1, 2013
profootballweekly.com/2013/04/01/bar
talks positives and negatives on barkley and geno smith
RAIDERS 2013!!!
trollslayer

Cedar Lake, IN

#27 Apr 2, 2013
RAIDER MISTERIO OG wrote:
profootballweekly.com/2013/04/ 01/bar
talks positives and negatives on barkley and geno smith
RAIDERS 2013!!!
Keep in mind....this guy said lots of unsubstantiated stuff about Cam Newton which wasn't true.

Barkley, Smith scouting reports

"( Barkley) Terrific football intelligence. Good decision-maker knows when and where to go with the ball."

"Tough and will deliver with pressure barreling down good poise and on-field demeanor. Can sidestep the rush and manipulate coverage with his eyes. Outstanding intangibles and leadership traits commands respect from teammates. "
________

" Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities."

-Nolan Nawrocki's part of report on Matt Barkley & Geno Smith

http://www.google.com/url...

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"Spavital said the thing sets Smith apart is obsessive film study and relentless work ethic. He said Weeden also has good work habits, but that Smith was over the top.

"Brandon studied a lot, but he did things on his own," said Spavital. "He was married and he went home to his wife. Geno, football is all he cared about. He'd take the O-line out to eat and then come back to the office and we'd watch stuff on the iPad. He was always trying to improve. I've never seen anybody study harder with the tape than he does."

-Jake Spavital, former West Virginia and Oklahoma State QB coach....on Geno Smith's work habits
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Cam Newton
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/29/c...

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#28 Apr 2, 2013
You're impressed by a lack of interceptions huh? That's cool. How excited are you for Tino Sunseri? Ryan Aplin, Colby Cameron?

Stats don't equate into anything but a microscope my friend. His success, for better or worse could be easily explained by Dana Holgerson's system and the "throw it here" dynamic of their passing offense.

I don't like the guy because he is remarkably inconsistent:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/768/10270...

Look at his completion percentages, in the 70's then dips down to the 40's and 50's.(granted one of those was against LSU).

Ugh, i don't know how many other way to explain it, and im not trying to convert you, just express the logic behind why i feel the way i do. He's not very good. He would have been a 2nd round QB in last year's class. Not much wiggle room there.
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
It was a hypothetical 'playing to ones strengths analogy'...based on what on your "system" comment.
<quoted text>
Geno was smart enuff to avoid throwing a lotta' picks in college ( just 6)
How do you qualify or quantify the above statement vs. any rookie Qb going into the NFL?

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#29 Apr 2, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>Keep in mind....this guy said lots of unsubstantiated stuff about Cam Newton which wasn't true.

Barkley, Smith scouting reports

"( Barkley) Terrific football intelligence. Good decision-maker — knows when and where to go with the ball."

"Tough and will deliver with pressure barreling down — good poise and on-field demeanor. Can sidestep the rush and manipulate coverage with his eyes. Outstanding intangibles and leadership traits — commands respect from teammates. "
________

" Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities."

-Nolan Nawrocki's part of report on Matt Barkley & Geno Smith

http://www.google.com/url...

________

"Spavital said the thing sets Smith apart is obsessive film study and relentless work ethic. He said Weeden also has good work habits, but that Smith was over the top.

"Brandon studied a lot, but he did things on his own," said Spavital. "He was married and he went home to his wife. Geno, football is all he cared about. He'd take the O-line out to eat and then come back to the office and we'd watch stuff on the iPad. He was always trying to improve. I've never seen anybody study harder with the tape than he does."

-Jake Spavital, former West Virginia and Oklahoma State QB coach....on Geno Smith's work habits
______

Cam Newton
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/29/c...
Fails to mention the lack of arm strength

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#30 Apr 2, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>Fails to mention the lack of arm strength
For Barkley

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#31 Apr 2, 2013
College stats don't mean much in the nfl. Smith with be a complete bust while Barkley will be a solid back up.
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#32 Apr 2, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
College stats don't mean much in the nfl. Smith with be a complete bust while Barkley will be a solid back up.
Any reason for your bust & solid back up assessment for these 2?
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#33 Apr 2, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
You're impressed by a lack of interceptions huh? That's cool. How excited are you for Tino Sunseri? Ryan Aplin, Colby Cameron?
Stats don't equate into anything but a microscope my friend. His success, for better or worse could be easily explained by Dana Holgerson's system and the "throw it here" dynamic of their passing offense.
I don't like the guy because he is remarkably inconsistent:
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/768/10270...
Look at his completion percentages, in the 70's then dips down to the 40's and 50's.(granted one of those was against LSU).
Ugh, i don't know how many other way to explain it, and im not trying to convert you, just express the logic behind why i feel the way i do. He's not very good. He would have been a 2nd round QB in last year's class. Not much wiggle room there.
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Question? did you look at those stats? Did you happen to see the yr. to yr. progression in all areas? 64%...65%...and in 2012 71% completion rate. Keep this in mind. Teams KNEW they had to pass and outscore the other team.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/768/10270...
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Corran Horn wrote:
"His success, for better or worse could be easily explained by Dana Holgerson's system and the "throw it here" dynamic of their passing offense."
You know with the "HB ruling", teams are gonna be throwing at increased rate.
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Thing to remember about his games last year. He was expected to do it ALL. Teams knew that he gonna pass. Why? the horrific "D". What are u suppose to do if your "D" can't stop anybody??? Your "D" has to give ya' decent field position at some point in games...right?
___

No worries my friend, it's not about converting anyone. It's about discussing and understsnding our points here. Yes I agree, last year Smith mighta; been a 2nd round pick. I felt the same way about Mark Sanchez when he came out. I don't think Christian Ponder should've a 1st rounder. Same for Taneyhill in Miami.

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#34 Apr 2, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>Any reason for your bust & solid back up assessment for these 2?
Basically just the eye test. Barkley is deadly accurate but has a very weak arm. I think there is always a place for an accurate qb in the nfl. Geno is a good athlete and has a good arm but I don't think he has the accuracy to make to make the tight throws. That is just my personal opinion from the 5-6 games I watched Geno smith

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#35 Apr 2, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>Any reason for your bust & solid back up assessment for these 2?
I could be wrong because I didn't think Kaepernick was going to be any good

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#36 Apr 2, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
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I could be wrong because I didn't think Kaepernick was going to be any good
can you imagine t solution? who would've ever thought? wilson from seattle was another shocker. i hope this damn (qb) flynn does the same for us! i'm jealous!
change of subject and only cause i'm jelouse, how did your 9ers get so good over night? it's obvious harbaugh plays a big role, but?
RAIDERS 2013!!!

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#37 Apr 2, 2013
RAIDER MISTERIO OG wrote:
<quoted text>can you imagine t solution? who would've ever thought? wilson from seattle was another shocker. i hope this damn (qb) flynn does the same for us! i'm jealous!
change of subject and only cause i'm jelouse, how did your 9ers get so good over night? it's obvious harbaugh plays a big role, but?
RAIDERS 2013!!!
SF had the majority of their key players for years from building through the draft. I think spending 3 first rounders on the o-line helped sure up the run game once they played a few years together. I really think the coaching is what propelled them to a top tier team. I think harbaugh was able to relate with Smith and help the OC Roman build an offense to keep smith from trying to do too much. Then he(imo) coached Kap up to expand the offense further.The GM also has been making good cheap free agent choices like Carlos Rodgers and whitner 2 years back now Namdi this year. Besides goldson, they have been able to lock up the great young guys before they get close to being a free agent which I think is good for morale. I just hope the loss of 4-5 key players doesn't mess them up

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#38 Apr 2, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
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SF had the majority of their key players for years from building through the draft. I think spending 3 first rounders on the o-line helped sure up the run game once they played a few years together. I really think the coaching is what propelled them to a top tier team. I think harbaugh was able to relate with Smith and help the OC Roman build an offense to keep smith from trying to do too much. Then he(imo) coached Kap up to expand the offense further.The GM also has been making good cheap free agent choices like Carlos Rodgers and whitner 2 years back now Namdi this year. Besides goldson, they have been able to lock up the great young guys before they get close to being a free agent which I think is good for morale. I just hope the loss of 4-5 key players doesn't mess them up
now nnandi? it's working! thanks T_solution.
RAIDERS OF 2012 AND 2013!!!
Freddy

Paducah, KY

#39 Apr 2, 2013
Captain Canada wrote:
<quoted text>Just heard a report that the Raiders and Palmer are re-working his contract before dealing him to the Cardinals. Report mentioned that he would make 8 million this season, and I believe the Raiders can spread his cap hit over the next two years (all but 2.5 million this year, and the rest next season). Late round draft picks are also being discussed. Wouldn't take 10 million to play for the Raiders tho. Bring on Flynn.
Check out Palmers press conference being introduced as the Cardinal. He "clears the air" about the contract negotiations. It may change one's mind about the situation and show that Palmer wanted to remain a Raider.
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#40 Apr 2, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically just the eye test. Barkley is deadly accurate but has a very weak arm. I think there is always a place for an accurate qb in the nfl. Geno is a good athlete and has a good arm but I don't think he has the accuracy to make to make the tight throws. That is just my personal opinion from the 5-6 games I watched Geno smith
Geno has a 71% completion rate is that not accurate enuff....what's Barley's completion rate.

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