Orton may be the better fit for Bears
Orton may be the better fit for Bears Short-game prowess could be advantage over Grossman By John Mullin Tribune staff reporter December 21, 2007, 10:21 PM CST Whether it was superstition or performance, ...
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#1 Dec 24, 2007
Orton is a better fit for the Bears. He shows the confidence and stamina to be starting QB next season - plus he's intelligent (Purdue-engineering). He did not look like a "deer in headlights" as Gross Rexman ALWAYS does.
#2 Dec 24, 2007
Orton comes in and Urlacher has his 2 best games. coincidence?
Maybe he doesn't have an arthritic back, maybe it just hurt from having to carry Grossman for the past 2 seasons.
#3 Dec 25, 2007
Done....dear lord man...
Since: Nov 07
#4 Dec 25, 2007
For the love of God...
Did we already all forget how bad Orton was last week when the team wasn't working for him?
We were playing a Green Bay team with almost nothing to play for.
It was cold, the Pack had already clinched a playoff berth and the division, Favre looked like he didn't want to be out there half the time, and the Pack look like they just threw the game away.
If you threw Grossman or Griese out there with the defense, special teams and running game firing on all cylinders - I'm sure they would have had just as good, if not a better game.
Let us not forget how bad the Bears offense still was. For the first 25 minutes of our TOP, we only scored 3 points - and that's with the defense and special teams giving us the ball in this order:
starting on the Packer 41
-the Packer 13
-and the Packer 7.
THREE POINTS OUT OF THAT. Orton had a good day because of a running game that finally broke out, and a defensive and special teams performance I haven't seen since 2006. Orton's 8 completions, while STILL VERY GOOD, are nothing to cement his future.
Don't forget he was playing a dismal pass defense and a Packers team that wasn't going out of their way to beat a dismal Bears team.
I think Orton did a very good job, but that's a far cry from saying the team performs better just because he's in there. Muhammad doesn't like Orton, he's made it clear. Of all receivers, Muhammad has the most drops in Orton's starting sequence, and hung him out to dry in '05 making comments to the media.
I like Orton, and think he's a good guy. But I'm far from looking at his play and going, "yeah, I want him to start". I still think we need to wait and see how he performs when it matters. There's not a lot of pressure on Orton, and his dismal performance last week still has me questioning him. If we're going off judging a QB by one game and forgetting the last, then I don't see why anyone should have a problem with Rex being out starter either.
I still need to see our situation in '08 before I say who I think should start over who.
#5 Dec 28, 2007
Rex - you can't put all of that on Orton.
Bears recover a fumble on GB 34:
2- false starts leads to 3rd and 12 (instead of 3rd and 2). 3rd and long not converted. Bears punt instead of 43 FG Try.
Bears recover blocked punt on GB 7:
AP-right. AP-right. AP-right, Muhammad drop.
Alex Brown int to GB 28:
Orton converts 3rd and 7, throws a TD to Clark, throws a pretty fade to Olsen for 2pt CONV.
Those are the only 3 drives the Bears started in GB territory. And they got 8 points. But it should have easily been 18 if not for undisciplinned play, and could have been 22.
Those are the facts.
#6 Dec 28, 2007
One more thing, the best part about Orton is that his only turnover came on a desperation heave in the last 2 minutes against the Vikes. 1 turnover versus Vikings, 0 turnovers against GB. Rex can't do it, Griese can't do it.
Griese's turnover by game: 3,1,3,0,4,0,2
13/7 ~ expected turnovers = 2
Grossman's turnovers by game: 1,2,3,0,1,3,0
10/7 ~ expected turnover = 1.5
This does not include all the dropped snaps
I know it's only 2 games, but I think Orton is the only QB that really protects the ball
#7 Dec 28, 2007
Grossman has 25 sacks in 7 games
Griese has 15 sacks in 7 games
Orton has 1 sack in 2 games
I'm just saying
Since: Nov 07
#8 Dec 28, 2007
I never said you could put all that on Orton, or that it was all his fault. This is what I said:
I said the entire offense, not just Kyle Orton. And YES, I don't think you can pin all of it on the QB position, that's what I've been saying all season!
But my argument to you is that if you're saying we can pin losses on the shoulders of Rex, but not Griese and Orton, then that's ridiculous. The QB position is only to blame when we have the universal scapegoat, Rex Grossman, in there?
And this makes no sense:
Well, unless you're basing that statement off assumptions or delusions in your mind, then I don't see your argument for this.
In 2005 Orton threw 15 INT's, 5 in one game against the Panthers, as opposed to 9 TD's. This season he's thrown 1 INT to 1 TD. So that puts him at 10 TD's to 16 INT's - which is more INT's than TD's - just like Griese and Grossman.
And in Grossman's return from the bench, he only threw one INT in 4 starts - so I'm not quite sure what you're basing that statement off of, but as of right now, it holds no truth.
Orton was the same old Orton on Sunday. We just had better luck with the screen passes than Green Bay did. Orton did a good job, but did not show me anything special. Of Orton's 52 pass attempts since his first start, 42 of them have been under 10 yards. He's still got a predictable, slow release and overshoots the easiest of throws. I think Orton did a good job on Sunday, but I'll say it again:
Any QB behind center in that game would've looked good with the way the entire team was playing. Orton's 8 passes, while contributory, did not solely win the game. Orton succeeded due to good field position, a good running game, and the defense and special teams - it all played in.
We've seen Orton when he team's not working for him, like in Minnesota when threw 1 INT, 0 TD's and completed barely half his passes.
What are you seeing in him that we didn't already see in 2005?
#9 Dec 28, 2007
Sorry, It was a joke. lol
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