Rex - you can't put all of that on Orton.
Bears recover a fumble on GB 34:
2- false starts leads to 3rd and 12 (instead of 3rd and 2). 3rd and long not converted. Bears punt instead of 43 FG Try.
Bears recover blocked punt on GB 7:
AP-right. AP-right. AP-right, Muhammad drop.
Alex Brown int to GB 28:
Orton converts 3rd and 7, throws a TD to Clark, throws a pretty fade to Olsen for 2pt CONV.
Those are the only 3 drives the Bears started in GB territory. And they got 8 points. But it should have easily been 18 if not for undisciplinned play, and could have been 22.
Those are the facts.
I never said you could put all that on Orton, or that it was all his fault. This is what I said:
Let us not forget how bad the Bears offense really was...
I said the entire offense, not just Kyle Orton. And YES, I don't think you can pin all of it on the QB position, that's what I've been saying all season!
But my argument to you is that if you're saying we can pin losses on the shoulders of Rex, but not Griese and Orton, then that's ridiculous. The QB position is only to blame when we have the universal scapegoat, Rex Grossman, in there?
And this makes no sense:
Of all the QB's, Orton seems like he won't turn the ball over...
Well, unless you're basing that statement off assumptions or delusions in your mind, then I don't see your argument for this.
In 2005 Orton threw 15 INT's, 5 in one game against the Panthers, as opposed to 9 TD's. This season he's thrown 1 INT to 1 TD. So that puts him at 10 TD's to 16 INT's - which is more INT's than TD's - just like Griese and Grossman.
And in Grossman's return from the bench, he only threw one INT in 4 starts - so I'm not quite sure what you're basing that statement off of, but as of right now, it holds no truth.
Orton was the same old Orton on Sunday. We just had better luck with the screen passes than Green Bay did. Orton did a good job, but did not show me anything special. Of Orton's 52 pass attempts since his first start, 42 of them have been under 10 yards. He's still got a predictable, slow release and overshoots the easiest of throws. I think Orton did a good job on Sunday, but I'll say it again:
Any QB behind center in that game would've looked good with the way the entire team was playing. Orton's 8 passes, while contributory, did not solely win the game. Orton succeeded due to good field position, a good running game, and the defense and special teams - it all played in.
We've seen Orton when he team's not working for him, like in Minnesota when threw 1 INT, 0 TD's and completed barely half his passes.
What are you seeing in him that we didn't already see in 2005?