Griese's style a lesson for Orton

Tuesday's two-minute drill ... If the Bears had a sense of humor, they would have held a news conference Monday to blame former quarterback Brian Griese for calling the plays during Sunday's fateful final ... Read more
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JBS

New York, NY

#1 Sep 15, 2008
Grossman completes that pass to Booker, David Haugh. You know it. I know it. The only people who won't admit it publicly are Lovie Smith, Ron Turner, Kyle Orton and every died-in-the-wool, don't-let-reality-get-in-the-w ay-of-selective-memory Rex Hater. Say what you will about Rex's abilities to "manage the game," but he makes that throw.

Since: Sep 08

Chicago, IL

#2 Sep 15, 2008
I have been saying the same thing since the Bears trailed in the game. Kyle can't win a game....Rex can. Sometimes you have to swallow pride and get the win. While trailing late in the game, bring in the man with the big arm that's not afraid to take chances. Give Rex the ball in that situation and the Bears are 2-0.
sigh

Chicago, IL

#3 Sep 15, 2008
Yup, rex would make that throw. Then fumble, throw 2 picks, and look like a deer in headlights, ultimately reverting to some 'shot put' style heaves while under presure. I'll settle for Orton's incomplete pass. Wouldn't have mattered as much if Olson held on to the ball or if Forte got the ball on 4th and 1, or if the coaches bothered to run some play action. Let's be realistic here folks- the bears do not have a legitimate starting qb on their roster, and do not have a legitimate starting wr on their roster either. It's gonna be a long year, stock up on beer!
Patrick

San Diego, CA

#4 Sep 16, 2008
The one thing I have never liked about Orton is that the offense never makes a big play with him throwing the ball. If he doesnt learn how to throw the deep ball there is no chance for the bears to win more than 7 games. Our offense has a hard enough time scoring points without the occasional deep ball.

As far as Greg Olsen goes, the guy has a ton of talent. Enough talent to where I think he could be one of the best tight ends in the NFL. But look who he plays for. Face it, even if the bears had Terell Owens he would only catch 3 balls a game with no TDs. Until the Bears find a real QB, no reciever, no matter what the talent, that comes here will ever be able to show his true potential. It's a shame and I dont think Orton is that guy.
the bears

Portage, IN

#5 Sep 16, 2008
would'nt be nice if the bears had a threat on offence, just maybe they would score more points.
but with the loser wide receivers they have, it don't look very good does it?. they do not have a player who scares the other team, it looks bad people it will be realistic if they win five games, if there lucky. attn: jerry angeblow !
Da Bearss

United States

#6 Sep 16, 2008
If Olsen holds on to the stinkin' ball, Kyle never would have needed to throw deep to Book! The blame for this loss belongs to Olsen and Ron Turner for not making ANY halftime adjustments. He just kept calling the same plays after it was obvious the Panthers had figured us out!
Bearsnut

Merrimac, WI

#7 Sep 16, 2008
Don't get carried away its only 1 game! so Olson drop a couple balls, they played a team with inside info on them people and Harris learned well now that hes gone! LOL We just have to see if Turner lets Orton loose! that is yet to be seen and I like Rex to but it was time for a new look and we got it,and so here we go lets just rally around Kyle
SDS

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Sep 16, 2008
Anyone who saw the Eagles-Cowboys or Chargers-Broncos... That's what real QBs and WRs look like! Look how much more effective RBs can be when they have to respect the passing game. Wouldn't it be nice to have just one of those pieces on the team?

And at TE, maybe #82 on the Bears should take a long look at #82 on the Cowboys.

The truth is as long as the starting line-up on offense here looks like QB- Orton (or Grossman), WRs - Lloyd and R Davis... We aren't competing for a Super Bowl. We're hoping to win games 14-10 and go 9-7 and get a playoff spot.
Gimy

Indianapolis, IN

#9 Sep 16, 2008
managing the game should also include hitting receivers when they're open, ESPECIALLY 20+ yards downfield. i think orton gets too many "eh, he did ok"'s for basically not getting a turnover. well, if i sat back there and sucked all day but didn't throw a pick and didn't fumble...thats what managing the game is apparently to some people. thats not right and if he continues that approach...we're screwed. doesn't take a genius to see defenses are going to stack the line and stop forte because orton can't complete anything deep. fix it turner/lovie...or go home now. no use giving fans a great product but with a clear weakness that will make us lose most of our games
jesse

Martinsville, IN

#10 Sep 16, 2008
I give you (and rex) that pass, but then he would panic and fumble or some other game killing event
JBS wrote:
Grossman completes that pass to Booker, David Haugh. You know it. I know it. The only people who won't admit it publicly are Lovie Smith, Ron Turner, Kyle Orton and every died-in-the-wool, don't-let-reality-get-in-the-w ay-of-selective-memory Rex Hater. Say what you will about Rex's abilities to "manage the game," but he makes that throw.
The last bears fan

Glenwood, IL

#11 Sep 16, 2008
What, Bears make adjustments in and during a game. Are you people crazy? That would interfer with Lovie's star gazing during the game. We can't have that. The organization can't have that. This organization has made its mark in this league by sticking to the game plan presented to the team on Weds morning. Its a good plan, why change it? Whose gunna pay for the paper that the new plan will be written on. A new plan is just to costly and requires to much brain power. You know the Bears are very big on RECYCLING
Logan Square

Girard, OH

#12 Sep 16, 2008
Our offense in the 2nd half was horrible. It was like Turner was challenging Orton to win the game with his arm knowing full well running with Forte would have gotten the job done. Turners ego wanted to prove his offense could win through the air and it costed us the game. So many wasted attempts throwing the ball when our starting back has the potential to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball. Like the Colts game we pounded the ball play after play till the end and won with a smaller lead than the 17 points we had last Sunday. Forte is a workhorse stud. Give him the ball and watch him rack up 150 yards a game. Ron Turner is a fool.
Our defense was very strong in the 2nd half but didn't have the support of the "O". To many 3 and outs. If the Panthers have 10 attempts from the 50 to score the D will not be able to stop them every time. Thats where the "O" and the running game help. Moving the chains is all the Bears had to do, run the clock but NO mister fancy pants Turner had to put the ball in the air. DUMMY!
The last bears fan

Glenwood, IL

#13 Sep 16, 2008
Oh I almost forgot people, BEARS GO 4 -12. Remember to take your Prozak!!! Kick ass GRIESE!!!
George

Chicago, IL

#14 Sep 16, 2008
Former Bronco wrote:
I have been saying the same thing since the Bears trailed in the game. Kyle can't win a game....Rex can. Sometimes you have to swallow pride and get the win. While trailing late in the game, bring in the man with the big arm that's not afraid to take chances. Give Rex the ball in that situation and the Bears are 2-0.
Here's what you obviously don't know. This is not college. Having a two running back system is not the same as having a two QB system. You can't sit a guy and bring in another guy to throw deep passes, and then sit him to bring in a game manager. It doesn't work like that in the NFL. Rex is on the bench right now because for every good or great play he has made, he has also made 2 or 3 horrible plays to cancel those out. While I agree Rex probably would have made that throw, I agree more with the team sticking with Orton and allowing him to have a full season and see how he develops. If you give up on Orton, you give up on the season Lovie. Just like you stuck with Rex, stick with Orton.

GO BEARS!!!! 2008 NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS!!!
George

Chicago, IL

#15 Sep 16, 2008
The last bears fan wrote:
Oh I almost forgot people, BEARS GO 4 -12. Remember to take your Prozak!!! Kick **** GRIESE!!!
A Bear fan rooting for the other team. SMH YOU are the homer here buddy. Go play in traffic.

GO BEARS!!! 2008 NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS!!!
George

Chicago, IL

#16 Sep 16, 2008
SDS wrote:
Anyone who saw the Eagles-Cowboys or Chargers-Broncos... That's what real QBs and WRs look like! Look how much more effective RBs can be when they have to respect the passing game. Wouldn't it be nice to have just one of those pieces on the team?
And at TE, maybe #82 on the Bears should take a long look at #82 on the Cowboys.
The truth is as long as the starting line-up on offense here looks like QB- Orton (or Grossman), WRs - Lloyd and R Davis... We aren't competing for a Super Bowl. We're hoping to win games 14-10 and go 9-7 and get a playoff spot.
Those games also showed what was supposed to be "some of the best defenses in the league" get lit up. We don't want those kind of games here. Those were shoot outs. While i would kill to have Cutler, McNabb, Rivers, or Romo the bears don't play that kind of football. Though it was entertaining to watch.

GO BEARS!!! 2008 NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS!!!
Mgray

Riverdale, GA

#17 Sep 16, 2008
Bears 4-12. period.
No coaching
No offense
No chance 2 win a title
SDS

Indianapolis, IN

#18 Sep 16, 2008
George wrote:
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Those games also showed what was supposed to be "some of the best defenses in the league" get lit up. We don't want those kind of games here. Those were shoot outs. While i would kill to have Cutler, McNabb, Rivers, or Romo the bears don't play that kind of football. Though it was entertaining to watch.
GO BEARS!!! 2008 NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS!!!
Please, let's stop it with that's not Bears football stuff! It's 2008, if that's what the game is evolving into, then the Bears need to adjust.

Look no further than the Steelers who also have the reputation as a tough, grind it out type team that plays in bad weather. Ben Roethlisberger threw 32 TDs last year. All while Willie Parker was leading the league in rushing (until he got hurt at the end of the year). It's possible to run the ball and have an effective passing game. It's just been so darn long since anyone has seen it here; we've forgotten it's possible.
Brian

Gary, IN

#22 Sep 16, 2008
Finally, somebody in the media writes about Orton's inability to complete a pass beyond 15 yards. The only one he DID complete was so far under thrown the receiver was able to make the adjustment and catch it. Defenses will eventually read this and stack 8 in the box and then who will we blame?
George

Chicago, IL

#24 Sep 16, 2008
SDS wrote:
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Please, let's stop it with that's not Bears football stuff! It's 2008, if that's what the game is evolving into, then the Bears need to adjust.
Look no further than the Steelers who also have the reputation as a tough, grind it out type team that plays in bad weather. Ben Roethlisberger threw 32 TDs last year. All while Willie Parker was leading the league in rushing (until he got hurt at the end of the year). It's possible to run the ball and have an effective passing game. It's just been so darn long since anyone has seen it here; we've forgotten it's possible.
What I'm saying is teams have a tradition. I'm sure you know that because you brought up the Steelers, which IMO, is much like the Bears. The Bears have a tradition of winning with a strong defense and a strong ground game. The Steelers were lucky to get Rothlesburger but their tradition of winning is still firm in running the ball and playing hard, smash-mouth defense. If we were lucky enough to get a gem like Big Ben, I probably wouldn't say that. But even with Big Ben, I believe they have kept with the tradition of the organization. As you saw last week, Ben had a nice game and he only threw the ball like 13 or 14 times for like 190 yards and a touchdown. You add a TD to Orton's numbers and you'd have an identical game.
But until we find that gem, we need to back Orton and stop with the bashing IMO. Crying for Rex is not going to solve anything.

GO BEARS!!! 2008 NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS!!!

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