Bears working on their core

Bears working on their core

There are 37 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Dec 6, 2008, titled Bears working on their core. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

In the Bears' universe, some tough decisions like ahead about who is at the core and who is on the periphery of a team that has changed since its 2006 NFC Championship run.

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Need A Hobby

Aurora, IL

#1 Dec 6, 2008
Same cast of characters on D, except for the coordinator. Hey Lovie, hope Babich is a better drinking buddy than a coordinator.

Too bad about Mike Brown. Time to move on. Maybe he'll get lucky and hook up with the Patriots or some other team that can utilize his savvy.

Offense is same story it's always been: decent enough running back, instability at qb. Grossman/Orton/Hanie. Either one will still be playing behind an inadequate offensive line and throwing to second rate--at best--talent at wide receiver. Too bad for Clark and Olsen. They could be productive in other systems. I REALLY, REALLY wish he was wrong, but Moose wasn't lying was he?

The talent and coaching needs a major upgrade. Although the success of Gage, Berrian, and Bradley with their respective teams indicates a shortcoming on the coaching staff. Despite that, this roster has no star power. This is the kind of roster that Angelo's "floor evaluation" process creates.

I've wasted enough Sundays on this team. Good luck on the rest of the year.
Butterflywithsor efeet

United States

#2 Dec 6, 2008
I don't see any analysis on the coaching staff. The problems start there. The Bears defense is terrible, their offensive line stinks, they have no decent receivers, and the coaching staff is soft. These guys run out of gas early in the second half. They are out of shape, the defensive scheme stinks (thanks for letting Rivera go). and their offenisve play calling is - well, offensive. The only bright spots are Orton and Forte. Keep them, decide who really wants work at it and get rid of the rest. The tradition needs to be salvaged and Lovie and his staff aren't cutting it.
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#3 Dec 6, 2008
The rest of this season is a on a wing and a prayer. They need some major additions on both offense and Defense to Compete next year. So Lovie Smith;s 5 yr plan looks like it is not going to happen unless they are just given the Super Bowl win as a gift.

Next season Hanie should be Back-up QB. Both lines need help. Receiver corps need the most help of all. If Smith had the ability to evaluate talent it would be a miracle! It also would be nice if the Coaching staff could make adjustments during a game and not wait until the end of the game and then say well; We should of done this or we should of done that! Don't talk about it when it is too late. Do something about it during the game. Coaching 101, it is in Coaching for Dummies!
If something does not work change it! The same with personnel.

A new coaching staff would be a plus. The Bears are going nowhere in the next few years so it is time for a Coaching staff change. We might as well start rebuilding now rather than lose for 2 more years then start the rebuilding process then. I hate the phrase "wait till next year" it is the sign of not having the fire or desire to compete now!

Instead of huge multi year, multi-million Dollars contracts. Contracts should be a moderate base salary and loaded with incentives. Then players might actually play to their potential to collect on the incentive in their contracts. Otherwise the apathy that some players in the NFL bring forth will continue.
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#4 Dec 6, 2008
Whatever happened to the Chicago Bears Tradition? It used to be when a team played the Chicago Bears, win or lose the Bears put a "hurt on them", they went away bruised and battered. Now they are lucky enough to keep up with most teams let alone put "a hurt on them".

The "Monsters of the Midway" have turned into the "Mice of the Midway"! I can see giving a receiver a cushion to stick the receiver when he catches the ball but, 12-15 yards or more! That's ridiculous, that's give the opponent an automatic 1st down every time they catch the ball, especially when they know where the first down markers are not like our receivers! our receivers are usually anywhere from 3-5 yards short every time. I put the blame squarely on the Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and the receivers coach. Where is the thought process? Where is the teaching? Oh I forgot Smith is communicating with aliens in outer space. Maybe they know more about coaching Football than he does!

It should of been 3 yrs and out for him! The only thing that saved Smith's job was the appearance in the Super Bowl, otherwise he might have been gone already. Too bad he lucked out!
Rob

United States

#5 Dec 6, 2008
They need a new QB next year and help on defense. Orton is not the answer and I don't think hanie will help them that much. they need to spend the money and get a good QB.
northside mike

Harvey, IL

#6 Dec 6, 2008
Ulacher for plaxico. Sign vick, boldin and pacman. Is there anyone out there who doesn't think this would be a better team?

Let's get this done.
Steve

Palatine, IL

#7 Dec 6, 2008
where is Matt Forte?
Rex Ortman

Chicago, IL

#8 Dec 6, 2008
The following players need to be GONE: Urlacher, Tommie Harris, Ogunleye, Vasher, Hillenmeyer, and every single WR. Two front office guys who need to go are Lovie and Babich. Once the organization has been purged of these ineffective scrubs we can finally start to make progress. Our draft should go DL, WR, DB, DL, WR, DB, etc. Plus we need to ink a big-time legit WR.

“Full of LOL and Giggles”

Since: Jun 08

Darien, Illinois

#9 Dec 6, 2008
Steve wrote:
where is Matt Forte?
Halfway down the second page, first player listed under "Played way into core" section.

Easy to miss - he's one of the few names without a hyperlink.
Bill

Wayne, IL

#10 Dec 7, 2008
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What did this article tell us that most Bears fans didn't already know ??

Why many of the aforementioned players are still on the roster ... simply amazes me...... That doesn't say much for the Bears' talent evaluation... now does it ?

Of course ..... most, if not ALL, of the coaching staff have played themselves OUT OF THE CORE !!

Basically, this was a time waster.

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DagoT

United States

#11 Dec 7, 2008
There's no opportunity to respond in the article where the Trib staff picks this week's game. Wanted to give my fellow readers the April 16 picks these insightful geniuses gave:

Bears Win: Mike Downey

Bears Lose: EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM BUT MIKE DOWNEY!

That's Haugh, McClure, Pompei, Mitchell, Bannon, Mullin, Isaacson and Morrissey.

Nice to get do-overs, huh gang?! That's okay, being revisionist historians is the latest rage.

Oh, wait, one more predicted a Bears win on April 16 -- ME!(I also had 'em 6-6 at this point in the season. I must be good at this!)
Bill

United States

#12 Dec 7, 2008
DagoT wrote:
There's no opportunity to respond in the article where the Trib staff picks this week's game. Wanted to give my fellow readers the April 16 picks these insightful geniuses gave:
Bears Win: Mike Downey
Bears Lose: EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM BUT MIKE DOWNEY!
That's Haugh, McClure, Pompei, Mitchell, Bannon, Mullin, Isaacson and Morrissey.
Nice to get do-overs, huh gang?! That's okay, being revisionist historians is the latest rage.
Oh, wait, one more predicted a Bears win on April 16 -- ME!(I also had 'em 6-6 at this point in the season. I must be good at this!)
.

I picked them at 7 - 9 for the year ..... So, I'm still alive !

A playoff team ??........ Hardly !

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Bruce

Fernandina Beach, FL

#13 Dec 7, 2008
Butterflywithsorefeet wrote:
The only bright spots are Orton and Forte. Keep them, decide who really wants work at it and get rid of the rest.
You have to be kidding me.

Kyle Orton will never amount to anything more than a career backup in this league. He has a popgun arm and will never take any team to the promised land. Don't need to see any more and don't want him back next season, much less locked up to a long-term deal.

You might as well take a chance on signing Kerry Wood as a free agent and converting him to a QB (ridiculous, I realize, but so would signing Orton to a long-term deal). Orton was badly outplayed by Gus Frerotte; enough said.

If Hanie isn't the answer, it is seriously back to the drawing board time once again at QB for this team. Not surprising, though, when the best QB on the team's roster in the past 40 years is Jim McMahon, a good but not great player.
Staley

Lake Zurich, IL

#14 Dec 7, 2008
How is Kruetz not on the "already should have been gone" list? Watch him today, I always know who will be involved in the tackle, it is the guy Olin touches. Then he stands around and watches. C'ya...
val

Aurora, IL

#15 Dec 7, 2008
Dave,

REX doesn't deserve change of scenary. He deserves nothing.
Why do you keep on supporting a QB that can't play at the NFL level? I just don't understand you. It is what it is and he is what he is. Bears should have shown him the door years ago.
He surely will get a change of scenary. Some team will take a chance on him, but he surely doesn't deserve it unless you are related somehow to REX.
val

Aurora, IL

#16 Dec 7, 2008
Dave,

Why didn't you include the coaching staff?
They all should be at the bottom of your list...on the way out. What part of that don't you understand?
val

Aurora, IL

#17 Dec 7, 2008
J w Chi,

The problem may not be the inability to evaluate talent, but just ...ability to know how to coach...something the Bears coaches know nothing about.
It seems like most high draft picks that the Bears let go of, have no problem being starters elsewhere.
This development requires some serious discussion. I want to see Angelo (and coaches)gone just as much as you do. I would like to see a coaching staff do their job, too....something I haven't seen in 5 years with stoneface Lovie.
Mike Laden

Denver, CO

#18 Dec 7, 2008
It doesn'y make any difference as long as Lovie's in charge
Butterflywithsor efeet

United States

#19 Dec 7, 2008
Bruce wrote:
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You have to be kidding me.
Kyle Orton will never amount to anything more than a career backup in this league. He has a popgun arm and will never take any team to the promised land. Don't need to see any more and don't want him back next season, much less locked up to a long-term deal.
You might as well take a chance on signing Kerry Wood as a free agent and converting him to a QB (ridiculous, I realize, but so would signing Orton to a long-term deal). Orton was badly outplayed by Gus Frerotte; enough said.
If Hanie isn't the answer, it is seriously back to the drawing board time once again at QB for this team. Not surprising, though, when the best QB on the team's roster in the past 40 years is Jim McMahon, a good but not great player.
It's difficult to judge a quarterback when we have absolutely no receivers and the offensive line can't protect Orton. I'm not saying he's great, but the Bears have bigger holes to fill. If you think he should go, who do you recommend signing? There's not much out there.
John

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Dec 7, 2008
Butterflywithsorefeet wrote:
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It's difficult to judge a quarterback when we have absolutely no receivers and the offensive line can't protect Orton. I'm not saying he's great, but the Bears have bigger holes to fill. If you think he should go, who do you recommend signing? There's not much out there.
He probably wants Michael you-cannot-jail-me-enough Vick. Such a "big arm" ooooh. The obsession of scouts and fans alike with "big arms" is why QBs like Sexy Rexy, Kyle Boller and JaMarcus Russell get drafted in the first round. This labelling of "weak arm" is why Joe Montana got drafted in the 3rd round.

Its not as if Orton has a bad arm. His passes were on target in a 45 mph wind last December... whereas the biggest guns of them all, Brett Favre couldnt throw it beyond 5 yards. Orton had completed the most number of passes over 20 yards before he got injured. But one idiot writer somewhere says something vague based on the first game and others immediately jump on it.

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