Results change, Turner doesn't

Results change, Turner doesn't

There are 21 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Sep 13, 2008, titled Results change, Turner doesn't. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Bears tight end Desmond Clark has learned one thing about NFL offensive coordinators in his 10 seasons in the league.

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Jim Griffin

United States

#1 Sep 13, 2008
Yes, well as I recall the game plan that won the season opener this year was SUPPOSED to be the game plan in the Super Bowl. So what's Mr Wizard's explanation for THAT one. Can't put it all on Grossman. From my perspective the play calling pretty much stunk, and the game plan must have accidentally got dropped into trash can next to the gatorade cooler.

I don't believe it's all just a matter of different players, Turner is just too predictable. We looked good because Manning was unprepared and our defense stepped up (I knew they would).

But within 3 weeks the rest of the league will have Turner's play calling figured out (just like the do every year), and it'll be 3 yards and a cloud of dust...AGAIN!

So you'll excuse me if I don't just do a 180 her and proclaim this guy the greatest thing since the T-formation. He's there because he fits the budget and the players know his system, plain and simple. If they changed now, they'd be looking at a couple years minimum to get the new system established.

In my book, it's still a mistake. they should have gone out and got a REAL play caller. I personally don't believe that calling a run up the gut on 3rd and 13 is very bright, and I grind my teeth every time we pass up a shot downfield when we're sitting on 2nd and 1. Championship teams don't pass up free shots or call bonehead plays that blow the opportunities they're basically handed by the other team. This guy does, and we need a better play caller.
MDK

Mount Pleasant, SC

#2 Sep 13, 2008
"we're calling the same plays we've been calling for years here," Clark said.

In lies the problem the Bears have had and will continue to have.
BearFanNC

Rockingham, NC

#3 Sep 13, 2008
I'll get a first hand view of what Turner has in mind for the Panters tomorrow in Charlotte. Looks to me we've got a two similar styles of football. Both teams seem to have lunch pail mentalities...run the ball, solid defense, special teams. I wouldn't be surprised if Turner has some trickery planned, though. Personally, I've always liked the guy. Last year, I feel he got some unfair blame for the offense's demise. It's not his fault Benson wasn't the running back that could carry the load for the Bears. He was forced to pass more than needed. We all saw how that worked out.
bullfrog

Goshen, IN

#4 Sep 13, 2008
dear jerry angelo:

PLEASE ASK MRS. McCASKEY IF WE CAN BRING BACK THE HONEY BEARS!!
Walter Butch Brzeski

AOL

#5 Sep 13, 2008
Jim Griffin wrote:
Yes, well as I recall the game plan that won the season opener this year was SUPPOSED to be the game plan in the Super Bowl. So what's Mr Wizard's explanation for THAT one. Can't put it all on Grossman. From my perspective the play calling pretty much stunk, and the game plan must have accidentally got dropped into trash can next to the gatorade cooler.
I don't believe it's all just a matter of different players, Turner is just too predictable. We looked good because Manning was unprepared and our defense stepped up (I knew they would).
But within 3 weeks the rest of the league will have Turner's play calling figured out (just like the do every year), and it'll be 3 yards and a cloud of dust...AGAIN!
So you'll excuse me if I don't just do a 180 her and proclaim this guy the greatest thing since the T-formation. He's there because he fits the budget and the players know his system, plain and simple. If they changed now, they'd be looking at a couple years minimum to get the new system established.
In my book, it's still a mistake. they should have gone out and got a REAL play caller. I personally don't believe that calling a run up the gut on 3rd and 13 is very bright, and I grind my teeth every time we pass up a shot downfield when we're sitting on 2nd and 1. Championship teams don't pass up free shots or call bonehead plays that blow the opportunities they're basically handed by the other team. This guy does, and we need a better play caller.
Jim, you're 100% correct! One has to wonder if David Haugh is making Turner look good to keep on the Bears good side in hopes he joins Larry Mayer and Lou Canellis on the Bears network and website.

The Haugh's information on Muhsin, Griese, and Benson was good. And. so was his steps for offensive success against the Panthers. But, Turner caught a break in game 1 and will go back to 'same old sh**' again
wild bill from chicago

Lahaina, HI

#6 Sep 13, 2008
I want to see M.Muhammed taken out on a stretcher
BP Zion IL

Rockford, IL

#7 Sep 13, 2008
So you all are saying that every year the Colts, Patriots, Packers, Saints ect... DON'T call the same plays or run the same style of Offense every year ???

If you think they come up with some magical changes every year then you all are crazy. Of course they run the same stuff, the difference is talent. If you have it your a good Offense, if you don't your on the bottom working your way up. It's not rocket science !! Every team has it's signature plays but the better teams with better talent execute the game plan better.... That's the botom line.

Everyone knew Manninng would do his goofy audibling crap last Sunday, everyone knew he would try to get the ball to Wayne and Harrison. They scouted and knew exactly how they'd try to get Addi and Rhodes the ball. The difference is that the Bears Defense stepped up to the plate and played extremely well. does that mean suddenly their OC is a retard ???

I think not.

You can't put the Cart before the horse gentleman.... Turners Offense was good to great in his first tenure. Better then anything we seen since the eary 80's. Erik Kramer of all QB's set all kinds of Bear records in his stint here.

In Turners recent stint he was handcuffed off the bat with starting a true rookie QB in Orton back in 2005. We were picked to be dead last in the league by most yet we had a solid running game, a stout defense and won the division.

2006 SB, Grossman enjoyed his greatest season as a Bear, Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson both averaged over (4) yards per carry an our AP average over (5).

2007, O-line broke down, Cedric got lazy and probably drunk, the Defense was riddeled with injury, we went through (3) QB's due to injury, no chemistry whatsoever on Offense and we weren't very good running the ball....

2008, great start.....
Murda

Sycamore, IL

#8 Sep 13, 2008
he's still an idiot...he doesn't adjust his system to his players, he adjust the players to his system...therefore he'll never be a great coach.
UltraMagnumRobot ica

Gastonia, NC

#9 Sep 13, 2008
Moose is gonna get ya'll. Tell Mr. Orton to watch out for #90 and tell Forte to watch out for #52.
Ex Cicero resident

Chicago, IL

#10 Sep 13, 2008
Let's see how thin gs are at the end of the season...you can win the first game with some new looks but if you stay the course all season and don't change and adapt you will fail. It won't take long for the teams we play to figure Ron out.
Dave

Des Moines, IA

#11 Sep 13, 2008
I think the bottom line is Turner's offense works when it works and when it doesn't, it doesn't. I know that sounds mildly retarded, but it kinda sums up this article, our offense, and our play calling, doesn't it?
Dave

Des Moines, IA

#12 Sep 13, 2008
Let me re-summarize my last summary.... we keep doing the same things over, and over again while expecting different results.
Chad

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Sep 14, 2008
Question: Is Ron Tuner the worst offensive coordinator ever? I say, YES! Thanks for the stellar play calling with 2:00 minutes left, Ron. Only this organization would continue to keep someone so incompetent employed.
Mark

Mundelein, IL

#15 Sep 14, 2008
Turner killed us again....Horrible play calling with the game on the line against Carolina. Why the heck would you run the fullback up the middle against a stacked line? The play prior to that was a freaking joke....Get a clue Turner, you are supposed to throw DOWN the field not across it.

The Bears are who we thought they were.
Bubba

Stillmore, GA

#16 Sep 14, 2008
"Results change(very little) Turner doesn't"
you hit it on the head
Philo

Palmetto, FL

#17 Sep 14, 2008
Mark wrote:
Turner killed us again....Horrible play calling with the game on the line against Carolina. Why the heck would you run the fullback up the middle against a stacked line? The play prior to that was a freaking joke....Get a clue Turner, you are supposed to throw DOWN the field not across it.
The Bears are who we thought they were.
There's no way we can put the entire failure against the Panthers on Turner. He made some stupid plays, like calling for McKie on 4th and 1 instead of Forte, but the real failure today was Kyle Orton and his inability to connect on passes deeper than 15 yards, as well as his failure when the pressure was on to score.

I know the flavor of the day is to hate Grossman, but come on people, 12 TD passes in 20 starts?
Kyle Is Our Guy

Cleveland, OH

#18 Sep 14, 2008
Mark wrote:
Turner killed us again....Horrible play calling with the game on the line against Carolina. Why the heck would you run the fullback up the middle against a stacked line? The play prior to that was a freaking joke....Get a clue Turner, you are supposed to throw DOWN the field not across it.
The Bears are who we thought they were.
The McKie call was awful. IMO the reason why they were passing short is because lack of protection i.e. St. Clair. Peppers was abusing him. When orton did have the open deep shot he should have connected though. what was he 1/10. Olsen giving the ball away and resulting in 10 points didn't help either.
Ditka

Lawrenceville, GA

#19 Sep 15, 2008
Same coaching staff, same dumb luck wins and dumb losses.
De Ja VU all over again.
Jim Griffin

United States

#20 Sep 17, 2008
UltraMagnumRobotica wrote:
Moose is gonna get ya'll. Tell Mr. Orton to watch out for #90 and tell Forte to watch out for #52.
What you GOT was what we handed you... pretty much on a silver platter as it turned out. Let YOUR team go out and pick up 100 yards in penalties, fumble the ball not once but TWICE, and run bonehead plays that have NO chance of getting positive yardage, and see how well YOU shape up at the end of the day. Sure your guys won, kinda hard NOT to after the way we stunk up the field in the second half. Just shows to Go ya that 30 minutes of football won't win ya many games.
Jim Griffin

United States

#21 Sep 17, 2008
Ditka wrote:
Same coaching staff, same dumb luck wins and dumb losses.
De Ja VU all over again.
What DITKA said...

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