Joe Webb: Could He Beat out Christian Ponder for Starting Job?

When the Minnesota Vikings drafted Joe Webb in the sixth round of the 2010 NFL Draft, the team was planning to utilize his physical ability at the wide receiver position.

[Laughing Bear Fan]

I put my money on Webb, not only could he beat up ponder but he's been playing with Favre all summer and I'm sure something must have rubbed off on him

[Magnum Man]

The article gave Webb a very favorable view. It might be in the Vikings best interest to put Webb as the starter. He does have (however limited) experience in the pros and conducted himself very well during that time.

I just hope that its a legitimate competition for the QB position during training camp (if we have it). Obviously Childress didn't give a true competition during camp, otherwise Jackson would have never been on the roster.

It all really comes down to 2 things: a) what Frazier sees and thinks of the two QBs and b) how much time we have to prepare a QB for the season.
With the Lockout still in progress, I think that plays to Webbs advantage.

Your thoughts......

[Kanfan]

May the best QB win. Part of being a QB is reading defenses, I think that might be the deciding factor. If the Vikings thought Webb was the answer, they would not have drafted Ponder at 12. I think Webb has a future on this team...just where is the question. Looks like Ponder is more of a leader though. I would hate to see Webb as just a clipboard holder. Could he be used in 3rd down packages?

[leaderfarts]

Both should probably be carrying a clip board thanks to this damn lockout

[ezg357]

Webb's problem was reading the defense just as Kanfan said above also was his drop backs, timing was all off. also ran when he didnt need too He didnt know where his recivers was on the field. The receiver was open & he is taking off on a run. Webb was also at camp Weinkle & was there last year also now with Favre for a week or so maybe they did s some good. Webb does a 4.4 40 yard dash He is faster then Rice & can out jump him. He stands 6ft4 Same size as Rice Why not use him for what the Vikes dratfed him for a wide receiver. Go Vikings

[Magnum Man]

Kanfan wrote:

May the best QB win. Part of being a QB is reading defenses, I think that might be the deciding factor. If the Vikings thought Webb was the answer, they would not have drafted Ponder at 12. I think Webb has a future on this team...just where is the question. Looks like Ponder is more of a leader though. I would hate to see Webb as just a clipboard holder. Could he be used in 3rd down packages?

You make a very good point about drafting Ponder. I just don't know if Ponder will have enough time to develope into the starter we want with the lockout?

[Magnum Man]

ezg357 wrote:

Webb's problem was reading the defense just as Kanfan said above also was his drop backs, timing was all off. also ran when he didnt need too He didnt know where his recivers was on the field. The receiver was open & he is taking off on a run. Webb was also at camp Weinkle & was there last year also now with Favre for a week or so maybe they did s some good. Webb does a 4.4 40 yard dash He is faster then Rice & can out jump him. He stands 6ft4 Same size as Rice Why not use him for what the Vikes dratfed him for a wide receiver. Go Vikings

You make a very good point about Webbs abilities as a wR. If we don't get Rice back it might be the best position for him.

I guess the question to ask is, "Do we throw Ponder to the wolves and see if he can keep them at bay?" OR "Do we let Ponder have some time to develope?"

your thoughts....

[Kanfan]

Magnum Man wrote:

<quoted text>You make a very good point about Webbs abilities as a wR. If we don't get Rice back it might be the best position for him.
I guess the question to ask is, "Do we throw Ponder to the wolves and see if he can keep them at bay?" OR "Do we let Ponder have some time to develope?"
your thoughts....

Good question. What develops skills faster, watching or doing? Skills deteriate when not used so I favor starting Ponder. Never gave much thought to using Webb as a WR to replace Rice but EZG357 makes a valid point, with stats to back it up. Good job.

[Correctfarts]

Kanfan wrote:

<quoted text>Good question. What develops skills faster, watching or doing? Skills deteriate when not used so I favor starting Ponder. Never gave much thought to using Webb as a WR to replace Rice but EZG357 makes a valid point, with stats to back it up. Good job.

This is actually a good point. There probably have been just as many QB's who were drafted and forced to sit 1-2 years watching who have failed when their number was called versus those who were thrown into the fire day one.

Coaching, having a good team supporting cast and determination to succeed and develop...this will make or break Ponder as it would any rookie QB. He obviously has shown the determination to this point...need another quality WR to run with Harvin and hope the new OC is worth a crap.

It's a shame though that more Vikes did not work with him more on their own time during this lockout. A few hours here, maybe one day there from the vets just stinks considering the draft was in April.

[WorkoutFarts]

Correctfarts wrote:

<quoted text>
This is actually a good point. There probably have been just as many QB's who were drafted and forced to sit 1-2 years watching who have failed when their number was called versus those who were thrown into the fire day one.
Coaching, having a good team supporting cast and determination to succeed and develop...this will make or break Ponder as it would any rookie QB. He obviously has shown the determination to this point...need another quality WR to run with Harvin and hope the new OC is worth a crap.
It's a shame though that more Vikes did not work with him more on their own time during this lockout. A few hours here, maybe one day there from the vets just stinks considering the draft was in April.

The Queens are no further behind than any other team regarding being in shape. Most of them did something because its their livelihood. You might be able to pick up a burner undrafted college free agent when the free agency period begins

[Behindfarts]

WorkoutFarts wrote:

<quoted text> The Queens are no further behind than any other team regarding being in shape. Most of them did something because its their livelihood. You might be able to pick up a burner undrafted college free agent when the free agency period begins

The lockout royaly screwed everyone. You will probably see 6 teams per conference ending up with the same win/loss record with 4 getting hosed. Injuries everywhere, cats and dogs living together.....

[Laughing Bear Fan]

Behindfarts wrote:

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The lockout royaly screwed everyone. You will probably see 6 teams per conference ending up with the same win/loss record with 4 getting hosed. Injuries everywhere, cats and dogs living together.....

Agreed....and raider fans moving out of mom's basement and getting a job.....nahh

[Movingfarts]

Laughing Bear Fan wrote:

<quoted text>....and raider fans moving out of mom's basement and getting a job.....

Speaking of paying jobs, Al Davis re-signed eight losers for contracts totaling $85.48 million right before the lockout without knowing the salary-cap rules...but is willing to let his bet player on defense Nnamdi Asomugha walk...no wonder why they suck

[Laughingfarts]

Stanford Routt a $31.5 million, three-year deal?

For this type of production?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8452/stanf...

Seems that most teams are as bad as some think when you compair this stupidity

[Laughingfarts]

Seems that most teams are NOT as bad as some think when you compair this stupidity

[Kanfan]

Correctfarts wrote:

<quoted text>
This is actually a good point. There probably have been just as many QB's who were drafted and forced to sit 1-2 years watching who have failed when their number was called versus those who were thrown into the fire day one.
Coaching, having a good team supporting cast and determination to succeed and develop...this will make or break Ponder as it would any rookie QB. He obviously has shown the determination to this point...need another quality WR to run with Harvin and hope the new OC is worth a crap.
It's a shame though that more Vikes did not work with him more on their own time during this lockout. A few hours here, maybe one day there from the vets just stinks considering the draft was in April.

Call me old-fashioned but it's a pleasure to read well thought out and articulated posts like this. Appreciate the input.

[ezg357]

Magnum Man wrote:

<quoted text>You make a very good point about Webbs abilities as a wR. If we don't get Rice back it might be the best position for him.
I guess the question to ask is, "Do we throw Ponder to the wolves and see if he can keep them at bay?" OR "Do we let Ponder have some time to develope?"
your thoughts....

I Cant see bring in a Vet QB How he would be any better for the offense then Ponder A Vet would have to learn Bill Musgrave new offense on the fly Where as Ponder has part of the playbook & has been learning it. even as a rookie Ponder has that jump ahead on a Vet QB not knowing this system. The Vet would be able to read the Defense better then Ponder but still would be learning this system on the fly The Vikes would be throwing the Vet to the same Wolves. A older player with no legs left to run for his life until can learn the new system. I always thought one learns best being in the game not on the side lines. Go Vikings

[Magnum Man]

ezg357 wrote:

<quoted text>I Cant see bring in a Vet QB How he would be any better for the offense then Ponder A Vet would have to learn Bill Musgrave new offense on the fly Where as Ponder has part of the playbook & has been learning it. even as a rookie Ponder has that jump ahead on a Vet QB not knowing this system. The Vet would be able to read the Defense better then Ponder but still would be learning this system on the fly The Vikes would be throwing the Vet to the same Wolves. A older player with no legs left to run for his life until can learn the new system. I always thought one learns best being in the game not on the side lines. Go Vikings

when that was written, I was thinking about Webb.

[Childress]

Kanfan wrote:

May the best QB win. Part of being a QB is reading defenses, I think that might be the deciding factor. If the Vikings thought Webb was the answer, they would not have drafted Ponder at 12. I think Webb has a future on this team...just where is the question. Looks like Ponder is more of a leader though. I would hate to see Webb as just a clipboard holder. Could he be used in 3rd down packages?

The author of this thread doesn't read Pro Football talk.Vikings have already said Webb is far from ready,and in my opinion his stats stunk it up and he couldn't beat Det.Philly playing on a Tues.was not ready to play.
As you pointed out they drafted Ponder high and reading between the lines it's obvious.Outsiders are just that,ignore the dope.

[Vetfarts]

ezg357 wrote:

<quoted text>I Cant see bring in a Vet QB How he would be any better for the offense then Ponder A Vet would have to learn Bill Musgrave new offense on the fly Where as Ponder has part of the playbook & has been learning it. even as a rookie Ponder has that jump ahead on a Vet QB not knowing this system. The Vet would be able to read the Defense better then Ponder but still would be learning this system on the fly The Vikes would be throwing the Vet to the same Wolves.

Good points ezg. Why waste the money on a vet when it SHOULD be spent elsewhere to stay competitive and let Ponder learn hands-on.