Favre Breaks Marino's Completions Mark

Favre Breaks Marino's Completions Mark

There are 68 comments on the The Associated Press story from Dec 17, 2006, titled Favre Breaks Marino's Completions Mark . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Brett Favre broke Dan Marino's career completions record, but the Green Bay Packers had to overcome three interceptions by the three-time MVP for a 17-9 victory over the Detroit Lions on Sunday.

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Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#23 Dec 20, 2006
As I said in my previous comment PD, the salary cap should not even be part of this discussion, but return on investment should. Any other player playing as poorly as Favre and scheduled to make $13.5 million next year would be cut. With 64,000 fans waiting for season tickets, revenue is not a factor either. If he agreed to a salary cut, and was willing to be a backup, I would be excited for him to stay, but he is not willing to do that.
Packer Destiny wrote:
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In most cases I would agree with you, but here we are talking about Brett Favre. No doubt he brings in more revenue than it costs the team to pay him. Whether or not you like Favre, I think everyone has to agree that he's one of the top NFL attractions and revenue generators. So when you take that into consideration, and also realize that the Packers are in cap heaven under TT, there's no economic argument for unloading Favre. In fact, he could carry a clipboard next season and it would still make sense to keep him (assuming we continue to have lots of cap space).
Packer Destiny

United States

#24 Dec 20, 2006
Strong wrote:
As I said in my previous comment PD, the salary cap should not even be part of this discussion, but return on investment should. Any other player playing as poorly as Favre and scheduled to make $13.5 million next year would be cut. With 64,000 fans waiting for season tickets, revenue is not a factor either. If he agreed to a salary cut, and was willing to be a backup, I would be excited for him to stay, but he is not willing to do that.<quoted text>
Yeah, he's not a backup kind of guy. He's not really a mentor for the younger QBs either. At least not an active mentor...he leads by example I guess. But my point was that paying Favre so much is a decent return on investment. Would I rather have a guy that has thrown 25 TDs and 10 INTs this season (like Brees)? Sure I would. And that would be worth $13.5 million. But given that we have tons of cap space, given that Favre means so much to the long-term image of the GB Packers, and given that we don't have a capable replacement for him currently, Favre is a good choice. We're not talking about Ahmad Carroll here.
eric

United States

#25 Dec 20, 2006
If you dont think Rodgers, Martin are the answer, and you dont retire Favre until we have a replacement, we could have him here another 2 years. Retire him if hes not sure and draft a few qb"s. sign a few F>A> and let tham and Rodgersand Martin duke it out/

Nomatter who we sign, your not getting a 4,000 yard 30 td"s qb like Favre. Agaain your not getting a 25-30 int man like Favre either ( well atleast after the 2nd year). Imorove the o-line, get another receiver to help Driver, Jennings,,,a t.E. who can catch and block, and a decent back with low miles and we will servive well with a average qb, who should get better with playing time.

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#26 Dec 20, 2006
eric wrote:
If you dont think Rodgers, Martin are the answer, and you dont retire Favre until we have a replacement, we could have him here another 2 years. Retire him if hes not sure and draft a few qb"s. sign a few F>A> and let tham and Rodgersand Martin duke it out/
Nomatter who we sign, your not getting a 4,000 yard 30 td"s qb like Favre. Agaain your not getting a 25-30 int man like Favre either ( well atleast after the 2nd year). Imorove the o-line, get another receiver to help Driver, Jennings,,,a t.E. who can catch and block, and a decent back with low miles and we will servive well with a average qb, who should get better with playing time.
Eric, if you keep asking Farve to stay around year after year. He will go out like last year.
Packer Destiny

United States

#27 Dec 20, 2006
eric wrote:
If you dont think Rodgers, Martin are the answer, and you dont retire Favre until we have a replacement, we could have him here another 2 years.
What would be bad about that? Maybe Favre should start thinking about breaking George Blanda's career seasons record!
Packer Destiny

United States

#28 Dec 20, 2006
eric wrote:
Imorove the o-line, get another receiver to help Driver, Jennings,,,a t.E. who can catch and block, and a decent back with low miles and we will servive well with a average qb, who should get better with playing time.
Hahahaha...sounds like you are describing the NY Giants! Eli Manning is helping the Giants "survive" as we speak. Give Favre those tools and the Packers are a 10-6 or 12-4 team overnight.
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#30 Dec 20, 2006
What you say about Favre's positive impact on the Packs image is true, but Favre cannot take the team to the playoffs, or super bowl. Rookies use better judgement then this guy. My god if he is leading by example the team is in deep trouble. After 16 years he still does not protect the football. Fess up, you get pissed when he throws a game away same as me, and you know it's over for him. Whenever the team falls behind you can expect him to throw an interception. It's crazy. Although TT & MM keep saying they want him back, they are actually planning next year without Brett. Get ready.
Packer Destiny wrote:
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Yeah, he's not a backup kind of guy. He's not really a mentor for the younger QBs either. At least not an active mentor...he leads by example I guess. But my point was that paying Favre so much is a decent return on investment. Would I rather have a guy that has thrown 25 TDs and 10 INTs this season (like Brees)? Sure I would. And that would be worth $13.5 million. But given that we have tons of cap space, given that Favre means so much to the long-term image of the GB Packers, and given that we don't have a capable replacement for him currently, Favre is a good choice. We're not talking about Ahmad Carroll here.
quincy 2

United States

#31 Dec 20, 2006
I AGREE THAT BRETT MAKES SOME MISTAKES WHEN HE PLAYS, BUT DAM, HE SURE HAS BEEN FUN TO WATCH. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OR READ ONE BAD THING ABOUT THE MAN . HE IS ALL PRO IN MY BOOK. I THOUGHT NOONE WOULD EVER TOUCH MARINO'S RECORDS AND I SAY ONE MORE YEAR AND HOPEFULLY THE PACKERS BRASS WILL BRING IN A LITTLE HELP FOR HIM TO MAKE ONE LAST RUN FOR A SUPERBOWL. "GO GET THAT TD PASS RECORD WHILE YOU ARE AT IT BRETT".
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#32 Dec 20, 2006
I don't care to put the team's best interests aside so that one washed up QB can set records. What the hell does the rest of the team do, sit on their collective hands next year?
quincy 2 wrote:
I AGREE THAT BRETT MAKES SOME MISTAKES WHEN HE PLAYS, BUT DAM, HE SURE HAS BEEN FUN TO WATCH. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OR READ ONE BAD THING ABOUT THE MAN . HE IS ALL PRO IN MY BOOK. I THOUGHT NOONE WOULD EVER TOUCH MARINO'S RECORDS AND I SAY ONE MORE YEAR AND HOPEFULLY THE PACKERS BRASS WILL BRING IN A LITTLE HELP FOR HIM TO MAKE ONE LAST RUN FOR A SUPERBOWL. "GO GET THAT TD PASS RECORD WHILE YOU ARE AT IT BRETT".
quincy 2

United States

#33 Dec 20, 2006
STRONG, CAN YOU READ? I DID NOT SAY HE SHOULD PLAY JUST FOR THE RECORD. I SAID THEY SHOULD GET HIM SOME HELP AND TRY TO WIN A SUPERBOWL. EVEN THE "EXPERTS" SAY THEY DO NOT HAVE MUCH TALENT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL AND THAT THEY NEED TO BRING IN SOME FREE AGENTS NOW INSTEAD OF REBUILDING THROUGH THE DRAFT, WHICH WILL TAKE LONGER. AS FOR HIM BEING OVER THE HILL, I DISAGREE AND THINK HE HAS 1-2 MORE GOOD YEARS LEFT. I ALSO SAID "WHILE YOU ARE AT IT GO GET THAT RECORD." WHY IS THAT WRONG? HE DESERVES IT!

Since: Dec 06

Madison, WI

#34 Dec 20, 2006
"Strong"
How in the heck can you believe what you just wrote?
I definitely disagree!
Favre touches the ball everytime it's snapped from the center. How many times is that a year? I guess you must figure that the QB shouldn't make a mistake the way your putting it..
The way you see it the blame is Favre when the ball is snapped.. The last time I heard there are 10 other players (on offense) that are involved in the way the play revolves, not just the QB..
Making one bad decision under pressure happens, in turn making more good decicions makes a winner.
No body is perfect...
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#35 Dec 20, 2006
PD Joey Harrington is playing better in Miami, then Favre is in Green Bay. That's why when you and others say that you want Favre back next year, it makes no sense. It's scary that a guy with your football knowledge is supporting this guy. Think about it.
Packer Destiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahaha...I'll give you Cutler, Young, Leinart, and Romo as a matter of opinion, but there's no objective way to conclude that Harrington is playing better than Favre.
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#36 Dec 20, 2006
You are wrong Quincy, Favre deserves nothing but the salary money he has earned. We as fans deserve to have a competitive winning team. I don't give a damn about his records....he is washed up. Watch the games for god sake. When the Pack falls behind he almost always makes a stupid decision and throws an interception. He is no better at making decisions then the rawest rookie. This after 16 years. You cannot win with a QB who is a loser, and he has been one for the past 2 years. You want to "get him help". Get real. For god sake he is a HOF QB, he is supposed to help the team, not the other way around. He has a good group on offense, and it is him holding them back.
quincy 2 wrote:
STRONG, CAN YOU READ? I DID NOT SAY HE SHOULD PLAY JUST FOR THE RECORD. I SAID THEY SHOULD GET HIM SOME HELP AND TRY TO WIN A SUPERBOWL. EVEN THE "EXPERTS" SAY THEY DO NOT HAVE MUCH TALENT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL AND THAT THEY NEED TO BRING IN SOME FREE AGENTS NOW INSTEAD OF REBUILDING THROUGH THE DRAFT, WHICH WILL TAKE LONGER. AS FOR HIM BEING OVER THE HILL, I DISAGREE AND THINK HE HAS 1-2 MORE GOOD YEARS LEFT. I ALSO SAID "WHILE YOU ARE AT IT GO GET THAT RECORD." WHY IS THAT WRONG? HE DESERVES IT!
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#37 Dec 20, 2006
Sorry Norton, you are way off base when you talk about making "one mistake". Turn your TV on. Watch the games. Pay attention. He is rated 24th out of 32 QBs. At least 5 first year QBs are ranked ahead of him. You are living in the past. His career is over, or should be. The Pack cannot win with him, period. Disagree all you want, but you are not being realistic. Bottom line, the guy sucks.
Norton wrote:
"Strong"
How in the heck can you believe what you just wrote?
I definitely disagree!
Favre touches the ball everytime it's snapped from the center. How many times is that a year? I guess you must figure that the QB shouldn't make a mistake the way your putting it..
The way you see it the blame is Favre when the ball is snapped.. The last time I heard there are 10 other players (on offense) that are involved in the way the play revolves, not just the QB..
Making one bad decision under pressure happens, in turn making more good decicions makes a winner.
No body is perfect...
DH PACKER

Huntley, IL

#38 Dec 21, 2006
Packer Destiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, he's not a backup kind of guy. He's not really a mentor for the younger QBs either. At least not an active mentor...he leads by example I guess. But my point was that paying Favre so much is a decent return on investment. Would I rather have a guy that has thrown 25 TDs and 10 INTs this season (like Brees)? Sure I would. And that would be worth $13.5 million. But given that we have tons of cap space, given that Favre means so much to the long-term image of the GB Packers, and given that we don't have a capable replacement for him currently, Favre is a good choice. We're not talking about Ahmad Carroll here.
Favre was the past,time to move on so we don't look like a High School team next year! The image of the packers has changed, favre can't even win at home anymore. We don't what to decline his legacy anymore.Save whats left.
eric

United States

#39 Dec 21, 2006
He has plenty of legacy and that wont change!!! but yes hes past his prime, and im praying for 8 tds in the next 2 games so the record is out of the way and its not a discusion anymore.He doubts oor wonders now and the season still has 2 games left, and if he doubts now than any chance of a playoff is gone ( not that we were going anyway) but if there was any shot at it its gone if hes doubting his ability. I love ther guy as much as the next guy,but, lets face facts hes past prime ansd is still better than most but his dis. suck, hes not as accurate as he once was ( yes alot of his ints you tipped, but alot of his passes were thrown behind receivers, and hes costing us more than winning us now) and his passes are tippped because he has to throw 80 mph on a 10 yard pass that no one going to catch so he can prove too everyone he still has an arm. Every telecast we hear how he breaks fingers with his throws, well if hed have touch he would have alot more completed passes and alot more yards and prob. tds as well. Only question is whos the next qb.
Packer Destiny

United States

#40 Dec 21, 2006
Strong wrote:
What you say about Favre's positive impact on the Packs image is true, but Favre cannot take the team to the playoffs, or super bowl. Rookies use better judgement then this guy. My god if he is leading by example the team is in deep trouble. After 16 years he still does not protect the football. Fess up, you get pissed when he throws a game away same as me, and you know it's over for him. Whenever the team falls behind you can expect him to throw an interception. It's crazy. Although TT & MM keep saying they want him back, they are actually planning next year without Brett. Get ready. <quoted text>
It's certainly possible TT and MM are making other plans for next year. I really don't give a lot of stock to MM's public statement about wanting Favre back next year. On the other hand, I'm not really sure TT or MM is convinced AR is the guy. In any event, I'm quite certain we will not be left in limbo until the draft to know whether Favre is the guy for next year or not.

And yes, there's no doubt I get pissed when Favre throws an INT. But I get equally pissed when our receivers drop a pass, or when we make a pathetic attempt at a tackle that leads to a TD, or when we do any number of other things that don't help the cause. I'd be just as angry at a poor pass that gets intercepted no matter who our QB was. But understand this: I still feel like Favre can give us a chance to score when we're down by 3 with the game on the line.
Strong

Milwaukee, WI

#41 Dec 21, 2006
Yeah PD, I wonder what TT & MM really think about AR also. TT is usually not bashful, if a player does not work out he dumps him (ie C. Rodgers). Of course a QB picked in the first round is a bit different. They keep saying Rodgers is the guy, but I think the competition (whoever that may be) will beat him out.

I have absolutely no faith in Brett when the team gets behind or in the red zone. None, and that is why it is time for him to go.
Packer Destiny wrote:
<quoted text>
It's certainly possible TT and MM are making other plans for next year. I really don't give a lot of stock to MM's public statement about wanting Favre back next year. On the other hand, I'm not really sure TT or MM is convinced AR is the guy. In any event, I'm quite certain we will not be left in limbo until the draft to know whether Favre is the guy for next year or not.
And yes, there's no doubt I get pissed when Favre throws an INT. But I get equally pissed when our receivers drop a pass, or when we make a pathetic attempt at a tackle that leads to a TD, or when we do any number of other things that don't help the cause. I'd be just as angry at a poor pass that gets intercepted no matter who our QB was. But understand this: I still feel like Favre can give us a chance to score when we're down by 3 with the game on the line.
Packer Destiny

United States

#42 Dec 21, 2006
Strong wrote:
PD Joey Harrington is playing better in Miami, then Favre is in Green Bay. That's why when you and others say that you want Favre back next year, it makes no sense. It's scary that a guy with your football knowledge is supporting this guy. Think about it. <quoted text>
Harrington had one really quality game this year against his former team. Wow, that was a pleasure to watch after they rode him out of town. I was cheering for Joey on T-Day...imagine that. But in actuality, Harrington is just not playing well at all. Just compare the statistics of Favre and Harrington this year:

Favre - 17 TDs, 15 INTs, 3300 yards, 75 QB rating
Harrington - 12 TDs, 15 INTs, 2200 yards, 68 QB rating

For that matter, compare to Leinart, Young, and Cutler:

Leinart - 10 TDs, 12 INTs, 72 QB rating
Young - 10 TDs, 11 INTs, 66 QB rating (rushing = 462 yards)
Cutler - 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 90 QB rating

Based on those numbers, I'd say Vince Young might be doing better than Favre (because he adds another dimension with his running), and maybe Cutler (but only 3 games). But Harrington isn't playing better than Favre.

I just say don't move on from a quality player unless you have a better option. We don't have that yet. You keep saying Favre can't get us a Superbowl. But who can do that as early as next year? No one.
Packer Destiny

United States

#43 Dec 21, 2006
Strong wrote:
You cannot win with a QB who is a loser, and he has been one for the past 2 years.<quoted text>
I hate to dredge up old controversies, but think about what you are saying: Favre is a loser for the last two years. Those last 2 years coincide exactly with TT's tenure and clearing house. I don't think that's a coincidence. Question is, could any QB in the league have been a winner on the Packers last season?

I don't want to revive the old controversy, because I've moved on and just accepted where we are as a team. And I'm hopeful for the future. But it's hard to sit here and have you place the blame squarely on Favre for our miserable season last year and half-assed season this year. I don't think there's a QB in the league that could have salvaged last season or made more hay out of our young team this year. That includes Peyton Manning.

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