Michigan Department Of Corrections Considering Severing Ties With Ex-Gay Ministry

Dec 27, 2009 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

The Michigan Department of Corrections is looking into severing ties with one of these ex-gay ministries over their practices and beliefs. The department has a strict policy against derogatory and defamatory language and actions regarding LGBT Americans. Department spokesperson John Cordell stated “The department’s position is that when you are ministering to a group or even an individual that the content of that not be defamatory or derogatory. We have shut down ministries in the past for doing just that.”

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Spider

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All the 250 of the "ex-gay" prisons the religious goobers built to illegally lock up gay people should be closed immediately. They are imprisoning gay people on judgement alone, and denying them due process for trial and sentencing.

Perhaps every one of the "ex-gay" religious "therapists" should be locked away in their own prisons for life without parole or due process.

Give the lying religious bigots a taste of their own "medicine"
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What's to consider? Just do it! Separation of church and state/religion and politics!

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Here's a link to the article tha "LezGetReal" based their story on:
http://michiganmessenger.com/32246/mich-dept-...

This isn't so much a church/state separation issue, but one of whether this can be viewed as an acceptable restriction of a prisoner's right to their religious beliefs. From what I understand, prisoners are allowed to meet with the "clergy" of their given faith, without it affecting the credits they earn to meet with family and friends. What the state wants to do is add Corduroy Stone to a list which includes the Nation of Islam and unnamed White supremacist religious groups (at least not in the original article) that would count against those credits, due to the state's anti-discrimination policy, which includes sexual orientation.

While Corduroy Stone is among the worst of a bad bunch when it comes to so-called "ex-gay" ministries, it is far from the only one in the business. A change in the rules which excludes them alone is problematic. It opens up one heck of a major can of worms and leaves us with the question of which other anti-gay faiths should or could also be subjected to this exclusion? If Corduroy Stone is considered unacceptably anti-gay as an "ex-gay" ministry, shouldn't all of them be classified as such? What about those which don't "officially" engage in the discredited practice of trying to pray away the gay as a condition of membership, but are clearly officially anti-gay, wouldn't they count as well?

This one needs to be seriously re-thought.
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While I think prisoners should be allowed as much access to conversion therapy as they would be allowed to any kind of religious counseling, what the heck is "cuddle up" therapy??

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The Virgin Queen wrote:
While I think prisoners should be allowed as much access to conversion therapy as they would be allowed to any kind of religious counseling, what the heck is "cuddle up" therapy??
First you advocate that they should be allowed as much access to conversion therapy as they can get, then you ask what they are really up to, tsk, tsk, tsk. What the heck is "cuddle up" therapy you ask? Well, the answer to that one will even creep you out. Pioneered by "ex-gay" gadfly Richard Cohen, "cuddle up", also known as "touch" or "cuddle" therapy, stems from the domineering mother/absent father theory as the cause of homosexuality. It involves the therapist/minister gently holding or cuddling the "adult child" in their lap, while repeating affirming words to them in order to re-create the father child bond supposedly missing in their lives. After proving that this therapy looks as creepy as it sounds in an appearance by Cohen on CNN last year, "ex-gay" groups like Exodus and NARTH fell all over themselves in distancing themselves from this practice, calling it unproven and even unacceptable. The practice of "touch" therapy has already led to two sexual assault convictions. In Winnipeg, a minister affiliated with The Providence College and Seminary received 9 months for sexual assault of one of his patients ( http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009... ) and more famously, in Austin, Texas, former darling of the "ex-gay" set in this country, Chris Austin, of Renew Ministry got seven years probation for sexually assaulting one of his clients during so-called "touch" therapy ( http://www.truthwinsout.org/uncategorized/200... ).

If that wasn't sufficient for you to start screaming that you need an adult, try this out as a comforting thought. Brian Jones, the minister who heads Corduroy Stone, the one asking you to lay on his lap so he can hold you and whisper affirming words to you, has this to say about his own sexual orientation: "On his website, Jones acknowledges that he is still having “areas of sexual temptations”, is “sexually attracted to other men” and is “still not sexually attracted to women.”" ( http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068... ). That's right, he's no more "ex-gay" than you are, but believe him, he wants to help... So, are you still imagining that unlimited access to this kind of "therapy" is a good idea???
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>First you advocate that they should be allowed as much access to conversion therapy as they can get, then you ask what they are really up to, tsk, tsk, tsk. What the heck is "cuddle up" therapy you ask? Well, the answer to that one will even creep you out. Pioneered by "ex-gay" gadfly Richard Cohen, "cuddle up", also known as "touch" or "cuddle" therapy, stems from the domineering mother/absent father theory as the cause of homosexuality. It involves the therapist/minister gently holding or cuddling the "adult child" in their lap, while repeating affirming words to them in order to re-create the father child bond supposedly missing in their lives. After proving that this therapy looks as creepy as it sounds in an appearance by Cohen on CNN last year, "ex-gay" groups like Exodus and NARTH fell all over themselves in distancing themselves from this practice, calling it unproven and even unacceptable. The practice of "touch" therapy has already led to two sexual assault convictions. In Winnipeg, a minister affiliated with The Providence College and Seminary received 9 months for sexual assault of one of his patients ( http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009... ) and more famously, in Austin, Texas, former darling of the "ex-gay" set in this country, Chris Austin, of Renew Ministry got seven years probation for sexually assaulting one of his clients during so-called "touch" therapy ( http://www.truthwinsout.org/uncategorized/200... ).
If that wasn't sufficient for you to start screaming that you need an adult, try this out as a comforting thought. Brian Jones, the minister who heads Corduroy Stone, the one asking you to lay on his lap so he can hold you and whisper affirming words to you, has this to say about his own sexual orientation: "On his website, Jones acknowledges that he is still having “areas of sexual temptations”, is “sexually attracted to other men” and is “still not sexually attracted to women.”" ( http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2009/09/4068... ). That's right, he's no more "ex-gay" than you are, but believe him, he wants to help... So, are you still imagining that unlimited access to this kind of "therapy" is a good idea???
Hi Rick in Kansas,
I agree with almost everything you have written here, but NOT with your use of the word "lay" when you mean "lie" - our language is being ruined at an astonishing rate here in England, and the spoken version (modified Cockney, known as Ess-ca röee = Estuary, i.e. Thames Estuary, gerrid?) is fast becoming unintelligible to oldies like me. Please don't encourage it in America.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text> It involves the therapist/minister gently holding or cuddling the "adult child" in their lap, while repeating affirming words to them in order to re-create the father child bond supposedly missing in their lives.
This Cohen character seems to have more problems than you can shake a stick at. My bet is, he developed this "therapy" to use mostly on teens whose parents put them in his care. IMO, he should be locked in the prison where he is attempting to foist this off as something "helpful".

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RalphB wrote:
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This Cohen character seems to have more problems than you can shake a stick at. My bet is, he developed this "therapy" to use mostly on teens whose parents put them in his care. IMO, he should be locked in the prison where he is attempting to foist this off as something "helpful".
The "ex-gay" industry has had a bit of a live-hate relationship with Cohen for the last couple of years. Many of his "theories" on causality, are the gospel that the business has been built upon and they love him for that, but when he started popping up as a boob on the tube with his "hug away the gay therapy" and beating pillows with tennis rackets to get back at your parents for doing this to you, it was love the sinner, hate the sin among them. Cohen's CNN interview and his thankfully one of a kind appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live are YouTube classics and he does himself far more justice than I can in mere words...


http://www.youtube.com/watch...

There's also his appearance on Rachel Maddow's show, but by the time he popped up on there, it was pretty much like shooting a goldfish in a teacup:
http://www.wikio.com/video/2280460

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The "ex-gay" industry has had a bit of a live-hate relationship with Cohen for the last couple of years. Many of his "theories" on causality, are the gospel that the business has been built upon and they love him for that, but when he started popping up as a boob on the tube with his "hug away the gay therapy" and beating pillows with tennis rackets to get back at your parents for doing this to you, it was love the sinner, hate the sin among them. Cohen's CNN interview and his thankfully one of a kind appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live are YouTube classics and he does himself far more justice than I can in mere words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HQH6mrOvSGIXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
There's also his appearance on Rachel Maddow's show, but by the time he popped up on there, it was pretty much like shooting a goldfish in a teacup:
http://www.wikio.com/video/2280460
Thanks for the links. The first two I had never seen. I was watching when he was interviewed by Rachel Maddow. Now, I am not educated in mental health or physical health sciences, as my degrees are in the business and mathematical regimens, but I really would like to know exactly what he means by "muscle memories". This guy appears to me to be in the same catagory as his hero Paul Cameron.
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fyi, it is an insult to God himself that you minister as false prophets! and it is false b/c sodomy is not accepted in scripture. ARE YOU DENSE?

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debby wrote:
fyi, it is an insult to God himself that you minister as false prophets! and it is false b/c sodomy is not accepted in scripture. ARE YOU DENSE?
According to your chosen interpretation of scripture and your brand of "God", others choose an interpretation of scripture different from your own and their brand of "God" is far from insulted by it. FYI, "God" gets to sort you all out, not "debby", I really don't mind breaking that bit of good news to you...

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Thanks for the links. The first two I had never seen. I was watching when he was interviewed by Rachel Maddow. Now, I am not educated in mental health or physical health sciences, as my degrees are in the business and mathematical regimens, but I really would like to know exactly what he means by "muscle memories". This guy appears to me to be in the same catagory as his hero Paul Cameron.
Cohen has something besides whacked out theory in common with Cameron, he too has been given the boot by every professional association to which he was ever a member for ethical violations. As for the idea of "muscle memories", that comes from the "field" of bioenergetics which posits that "memories" of incidents in our lives, childhood traumas and the like are stored in on the cellular level in different parts of our body and depending on which practitioner in the "field" you ask, is where those memories might be found. By offering some sort of stimulation to that particular location where those memories are found you can effectively exorcise them. In Cohen's practice, by beating the bejeebers out of a pillow with a tennis racket, while venting your resentments at your parents for making you gay, you are exorcising those muscle memories and healing those childhood "wounds" keeping you gay...

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fyi, it is an insult to God himself that you minister as false prophets! and it is false b/c sodomy is not accepted in scripture. ARE YOU DENSE?
Debby, don't get people started. No one has to believe in any god, and they don't have to believe in any scripture.

Including you.

There exists no clear explanation why any god would equate sodomy with murder, theft, or lying (the sensible 3 of the 10 commandments).

If any god is insulted by this, or has any problem with my attitude, it can come talk to me. Instead, it let me win $50 this weekend at the casino. Why isn't it punishing me?

Density could be defined as a quality shared by anyone who puts their faith in a book full of unicorns, giants, and talking snakes.

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<quoted text>Cohen has something besides whacked out theory in common with Cameron, he too has been given the boot by every professional association to which he was ever a member for ethical violations. As for the idea of "muscle memories", that comes from the "field" of bioenergetics which posits that "memories" of incidents in our lives, childhood traumas and the like are stored in on the cellular level in different parts of our body and depending on which practitioner in the "field" you ask, is where those memories might be found. By offering some sort of stimulation to that particular location where those memories are found you can effectively exorcise them. In Cohen's practice, by beating the bejeebers out of a pillow with a tennis racket, while venting your resentments at your parents for making you gay, you are exorcising those muscle memories and healing those childhood "wounds" keeping you gay...
Well, Rick, you have given me my laugh of the day. Maybe there is some truth to those muscle memories. After all, if the right muscle on my body is stimulated, it gets rock-hard, and spits at whoever is doing the stimulating.:-)
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Another one of those ex gay types is Charles Colson, who went to jail himslef for the Nixon fiasco.

On an TV news show, they showed colson with that nut case who in the midwest was murdering and cutting up and saving the bodies of kids about 15 years ago.

Colson put him up as an example of "Jesus saves" And the nutcase intoned in a totally flat voice "everyone knows evolution is a lie"

It is obvious that the nut case has zero emotional understanding or care of other people in his mind. Some part of his brain simply doesn't function. As a youngster he dismembered animals btw.

And this is just another of the Christian right wings examples. Showing how similar they are to this crazy man.

Who btw, legal or right or not, was finally given his due by a fellow prisoner armed with a lead pipe. Unfortunately Colson is still around, unless God punched his ticket to hell.

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