Not-so-golden oldies

Not-so-golden oldies

There are 131 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Aug 30, 2008, titled Not-so-golden oldies. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Instead, the Ravens have gotten worse and are limping to the starting line for the 2008 season.

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jack in hebron

United States

#21 Aug 30, 2008
LOL wrote:
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replace arrogant with uppity, pretty much what most airheads around here think. troy isn't far removed from being a rookie himself but he'll never get a fair shake from these idiot fans. i believe he has the tools to be a starter for some team one day but it does take some time. i'll never understand how a guy who hasn't had hardly any time can be crapped on so frequently. it isn't like boller, who had years to show that he stunk - yet gets defended lustily to this day! explain that one.
Call it what you want arrogance or confidence , how about alittle humility until youv'e done something in this league ?
Abenaki

Glen Burnie, MD

#22 Aug 30, 2008
Don't mean to sound cold, but with the current OL whoever the season starting QB is will get injured during the season. Let Boller or Smith be the sacrificial goat at the beginning of the season while Flacco learns. Bring Flacco in after one of them gets hurt.
Marlon

Simpsonville, MD

#23 Aug 30, 2008
What is wrong with you, Flacco has clearly played better than Boller and Smith, you need your eyes checked. Oh by the way, how is you brother Skip Bayless doing? You two are so much alike except you are the quiet one (compared to him).
FIRE OZZIE NOW

Silver Spring, MD

#24 Aug 30, 2008
Look at our last 3-4 drafts and tell me WHY we don't have a younger generation of CB's, DT's, DE's etc. to start filling in the shoes on our aging line and defensive backfield.

I'll tell you why, because our drafts have been HORRIBLE.

And the guy that controls all that is named OZZIE.

His free pass should have been taken away a long long time ago.
john

Baltimore, MD

#25 Aug 30, 2008
robmeg34 wrote:
Unbelievable...Billick gets run out of town & blamed for the collapse last year. Now...a revelation...our players are the problem not the coach.
All I heard last year was how Billick was the problem & HE was the reason we went 5-11 even though a year earlier the same Billick went 13-3.
Suddenly, it is not the coaches fault. Amazing how that works. We got old & hurt last year so we stunk...had NOTHING to do with Brian Billick. He can coach & won a hell of a lot of games here. Perhaps when Cam Cameron is putting up 13 points a game this year people might realize you need players in this league to win. And our best players were on the defensive side of the ball & unfortunately many of them have gotten old.
Billick got run out of town because he continually did things like passing on 1st and goal in the Colts playoff game.....resulting in a game turning interception which sent the Colts to the Super Bowl. Bonehead calls like that were the rule in the Billick era.

Remember the Ravens-Browns home loss on the bounced field goal last year? Billick threw the ball twice on the Ravens last possesion with less than a minute to go in the game......stopping the clock and preserving the Browns timeouts for their dramatic 30 second final drive.

Remember the 4th and less than 1 yard decision in Miami (on the road) at the goal line after Troy Smith took us the length of the field?

How 'bout throwing on 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1, and then 4th and 1 at midfield when we were coming back against the Bills? The game ended on that ridiculous sequence, even though McGahee had a great game up to that point.

McGahee lit up the Pats in the Monday night game, until the 4th qtr, when he got no carries, we threw the ball in a stifling wind, and preserved precious time for the Pats' comeback by repeatedly stopping the clock with incompletion after incompletion.

That's why Billick got old on this town.
Emmanuel

Tallahassee, FL

#27 Aug 30, 2008
Tim wrote:
Really, Mike, it's OK. This mess is all still Billick's fault. He's the one to blame. Really he is.
On a serious note - start Flacco now, in hopes of reaching the playoffs next year.
lol why do people hate ozzie so much? he was the one who put together this team in the first place. We know it sure as wasn't billick that put together that 2000 defence. i'm starting to think it has something to do with race, because everthing that goes on in baltimore the fans wanna blame it on Ozzie, its wrong, and he is one of the best GMs in the leauge. so stop bitchin and give the man his respecet
castle1

Charlotte, NC

#28 Aug 30, 2008
dyno don wrote:
Pretty good piece by Mike.
We have a future O line; a future QB; probably a future RB (Rice plus McGehee); a next-year draft choice WR can make an immediate impact. A serviceable TE should be available in the first few rounds next year.
On the D side, we have good young LBs, good young Ss, and one excellent D lineman (Ngata plus Suggs)to build around.
If next year's draft and FA crop yields us 1 each CB, WR, TE, and DL, we will be a competent, competitive team - a year or two from the playoffs AFTER a good draft, but a decent team, and one with a future.
Just give Harbaugh and Flacco a chance.
And BTW, Billick AND Oz are BOTH to blame. I can't blame players for taking the money OR for getting old. These guys are breaking down because they played VERY tough, physical football for a long time.
And all the Orioles need is a first baseman, a shortstop, third baseman, outfielder and four starting pitchers. Piece of cake, we should have a Super Bowl and World Series trophy after next year.
LOL

Annapolis, MD

#29 Aug 30, 2008
jack in hebron wrote:
<quoted text> Call it what you want arrogance or confidence , how about alittle humility until youv'e done something in this league ?
A QB is supposed to be a leader. The guy has been a high level QB his whole career, winning a Heisman at a big time football school and whipping up on top competition his whole life. He's used to being the best. His job is to lead men to victory, not come in and bow his head and be humble. What's he supposed to do, shuffle about and ask for some first team reps if it pleases the head coach or the fans? No, he's supposed to let anyone who asks him know that when the time comes, he is ready to go! That's not arrogance. Arrogance would be talking about how he's going to come in and crush the division or throw for four TDs, stupid things like that. He's never been like that, all he does is try his best to lead the team when he's on the field. Honestly, I'll even give Boller credit for trying to do that. QBs that make it this far have a tendency for having better leadership skills than others, even if the physical tools aren't always there. I have yet to see anything he's done that can truly be called arrogant. Show me something.
castle1

Charlotte, NC

#30 Aug 30, 2008
LOL wrote:
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replace arrogant with uppity, pretty much what most airheads around here think. troy isn't far removed from being a rookie himself but he'll never get a fair shake from these idiot fans. i believe he has the tools to be a starter for some team one day but it does take some time. i'll never understand how a guy who hasn't had hardly any time can be crapped on so frequently. it isn't like boller, who had years to show that he stunk - yet gets defended lustily to this day! explain that one.
It is pretty simple, Smith is a 5th round pick who is barely 5' 10". 5' 10" QBs are not successful in this league. PERIOD. It is not a personal attack, it is a fact. Name theother great 5' 9" - 5' 10" QBS to excel in this league in recent years. You can't, becuase there aren't any.

Why keep comparing him to Boller. The Ravens were forced to give Boller more chances because he was a 1st round pick. If Boller was a 5th round pick he would have been gone 3 years ago but the money handcuffed them. Compare Smith to other late round picks that the Ravens or other teams have developed into QB stars.

I don't want to hear about Tom Brady. Brady is 6' 6" has the other measurable and it one in a million pick.
castle1

Charlotte, NC

#31 Aug 30, 2008
LOL wrote:
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A QB is supposed to be a leader. The guy has been a high level QB his whole career, winning a Heisman at a big time football school and whipping up on top competition his whole life. He's used to being the best. His job is to lead men to victory, not come in and bow his head and be humble. What's he supposed to do, shuffle about and ask for some first team reps if it pleases the head coach or the fans? No, he's supposed to let anyone who asks him know that when the time comes, he is ready to go! That's not arrogance. Arrogance would be talking about how he's going to come in and crush the division or throw for four TDs, stupid things like that. He's never been like that, all he does is try his best to lead the team when he's on the field. Honestly, I'll even give Boller credit for trying to do that. QBs that make it this far have a tendency for having better leadership skills than others, even if the physical tools aren't always there. I have yet to see anything he's done that can truly be called arrogant. Show me something.
I agree completely. Definietley not a shot at Troy, his confidence has taken him this far in his career and is probably one of the most appealling things about him as a player. The point was that Billick had the same confidence yet writers like Mike Preston continued to label him arrogant.
Fritz

Williamsburg, VA

#32 Aug 30, 2008
Been reading your column forever and this is the first time I can fully agree with you. The Ravens need to learn to forget the sentiment and make hard decisions like the best teams. They know when the player is declining and bring in someone else. Half this team needs to go.
jack in hebron

United States

#33 Aug 30, 2008
LOL wrote:
<quoted text>
A QB is supposed to be a leader. The guy has been a high level QB his whole career, winning a Heisman at a big time football school and whipping up on top competition his whole life. He's used to being the best. His job is to lead men to victory, not come in and bow his head and be humble. What's he supposed to do, shuffle about and ask for some first team reps if it pleases the head coach or the fans? No, he's supposed to let anyone who asks him know that when the time comes, he is ready to go! That's not arrogance. Arrogance would be talking about how he's going to come in and crush the division or throw for four TDs, stupid things like that. He's never been like that, all he does is try his best to lead the team when he's on the field. Honestly, I'll even give Boller credit for trying to do that. QBs that make it this far have a tendency for having better leadership skills than others, even if the physical tools aren't always there. I have yet to see anything he's done that can truly be called arrogant. Show me something.
Point taken .
Dan

Baltimore, MD

#34 Aug 30, 2008
Mike,
What have Troy Smith and Kyle Boller done this preseason to make you think they've outplayed Joe Flacco?
Bazooka Joe Rules

Orlando, FL

#35 Aug 30, 2008
castle1 wrote:
Why are we still talking about Boller? Isn't it obvious from his demeanor on the sidelines that the team/his agent is not allowing him to play. He doesn't even watch the game, he never did that when backing up McNair. Boller is done as a Raven. There is an injury settlement/release coming and the only way to get the settlement is to make sure he doesn't play. It will save the Ravens 2.0M less the settlement in real money and about $750K in cap space.
And Smith? Are you kidding? What have you seen from this guy that remotely resembles an NFL player except his arrogant attitude. I guess arrogant is read CONFIDENT when you like someone. Smith is a joke on the field, he has to roll out and cut the field in half to make a play. NFL D-Coordinators would love to see that every week. As for those who still think he is quick enough to run away from NFL D's - Check out his 40 time and then watch with open eyes. Boller wasn't able to avoid the beating and he is bigger and runs almost the same speed. You can't outrun NFL D's.
As much as the Boller and Smith apologists don't like to admit it, when you watch Flacco in the pocket he has the "it" that everyone has said Boller lacks from day 1 and the measurables that Smith lacks. Maybe he isn't ready but neither is Smith and there is no upside the Smith. Why waste another year with a guy that won't be here next year, Flacco is the future, good or bad.
Let the Flacco era begin.
Dead on. Good stuff. Smith is horrible. Some morons who write in here mention him being a "winner" because of the Heisman. These people are not even worth repsonding to if they don't understand that winning the Heisman has nothing -NOTHING - to do with the pros. Do we need to read the list of Heisman busts in the NFL again? Almost every QB who has ever won it has been a bust. Case closed on that "argument" by these Smith backers. He is a joke. Get rid of him. Bramlet is a much better option than that arrogant loser. He is just another punk with an attitude and we have had too many of those guys over the years. The Ravens need to get classier players, like the Colts have. They need to lessen the garbage talk, especially if they can't back it up.

This is now going to be Flacco and Harbaugh and Rice's team. Much classier guys than we have had.
Aman

Baltimore, MD

#36 Aug 30, 2008
Ugh! The moaning/groaning on this board is almost as tired and old as the defense!

The million$ question is... what if Joe plays well on opening day?

Heck, what if the kid "who is not ready yet" actually leads the young offense to victory?

Then what? Do you sit him when Troy/Boller return from their "ailments"? Or was this the plan all along? hmmmmm.
Jwills

Buchanan, NY

#37 Aug 30, 2008
When have Boller and Smith clearly outplayed Flacco? In practice when it doesn't matter? Typical, the sky-is-falling Preston column. It's a tired routine. Our D isn't old, your act is.
jack in hebron

United States

#38 Aug 30, 2008
Aman wrote:
Ugh! The moaning/groaning on this board is almost as tired and old as the defense!
The million$ question is... what if Joe plays well on opening day?
Heck, what if the kid "who is not ready yet" actually leads the young offense to victory?
Then what? Do you sit him when Troy/Boller return from their "ailments"? Or was this the plan all along? hmmmmm.
Thanks for your contribution to the moaning and groaning . Isn't that what the board is for ?:)
Neek

Woodstock, MD

#39 Aug 30, 2008
I don't expect a lot from this team. I did however,expect our so- called veterans to meet the challenge of a rigorous training camp. We did not see that though. I saw a lot of veterans who came up with excuses and injuries that mysteriously healed after camp closed! Ray Lewis was there. Mcalister, Rolle, Mcgahee(who just got paid, I might add), Heap, WHERE ARE THEY? There are more that could be named. I agree with Mike. This Defense is done being great! It was fun while it lasted. With our schedule, we might win 2 or 3 games. I will watch them all and cheer them on the same as I always have, but this team will need a change in the next two years. We need the next Ray Lewis, the next Siragusa, the next Peter Boulware,and the next Michael Jackson. Either you adapt or you die. As for Flacco, he is not ready, but the kid has the stuff!!! I don't like Boller much, but I will give him my respect because over the years, he has gotten up from hits like the one he took last week countless times. He needs to leave Baltimore to begin anew. I am a fan of Troy Smith, but I have begun to question his heart. Would a stomach virus have stopped Boller from starting in a game where nothing less than his career was on the line? Imagine what it would have done for his reputation to even be able to start last thursday! I don't know who should start at quarterback. That's Harbaugh' decision. I do feel as though in two years, this coaching staff will have purged this team of primadonnas with radio shows into a hard nosed, punch in the mouth team with an offense that works. Just give them time!
Ravens Fan

Gaithersburg, MD

#40 Aug 30, 2008
Preston is wrong so often that this pessimistic assessment of the coming season gives me hope.
Ravens Fan

Gaithersburg, MD

#41 Aug 30, 2008
I like Ozzie alot. Seems like a good talent evaluator.

But our recent 2nd round draft picks have been abysmal: Cody, Dwan Edwards, Chester, & the one we traded to NE to get Boller.

A team can't have that many big misses on 2nd round picks.

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