Not-so-golden oldies

Instead, the Ravens have gotten worse and are limping to the starting line for the 2008 season. Full Story
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wtf

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Aug 30, 2008
"So, if possible, I would prefer the Ravens start Smith or Boller, who have clearly outplayed the rookie in the preseason."

Please explain.... Smith looked horrible and Boller is a turnover machine. Flacco outplayed them.
forest from the trees

Annapolis, MD

#2 Aug 30, 2008
kudo's to Mike Preston. It puts alot into perspective. The reality is their hands are tied abit longer. I get it. Now I understand the look on Harbaugh's face when answering questions. He is pissed and frustrated with people, injuries and events but is biting his lip and staying focused. Ok. Lets just have fun this year and hope our 0-line matures and improves. Let Flacco have time to soak it all in and mentally adjust to the challenges with a competent 0-line. hey, just pick a winner to root for this year if you must. Sit back and enjoy what positive moments we can extract from what promises to be a painful 17 weeks.
billy bob

Towson, MD

#3 Aug 30, 2008
who's fault is it preston? ozzie's off limits eh? who signed head cases like McGhehee and McAlister with big sal cap limiting bonuses? yea right.
Tim

Cockeysville, MD

#4 Aug 30, 2008
Really, Mike, it's OK. This mess is all still Billick's fault. He's the one to blame. Really he is.

On a serious note - start Flacco now, in hopes of reaching the playoffs next year.
jeffro

Tarboro, NC

#5 Aug 30, 2008
I thought I said that already, Mike stop copying my posts. D is old and when they quit the Ravens have nothing, no D, no O. Bottom feeders for years, like the Orioles. Billick's blueprint machine was a formidable one. Tough D, ground game ball control with limited passing. 1 Superbowl, 2 Division Crowns, a couple of playoffs. Everyone ran him out of town, instead of letting him restructure. The Ravens were always in the running, well that machine is old and worn out now and new one must be built, from scratch..good luck.Many franchises are losers year after year, in fact most are, Ravens fans were spoiled. But now they will become like Oriole fans. Watch what you wish for. Flacco has promise, but outside that, there is nothing on the horizon offensively and defensively for the Ravens. Flacco will take years to develop and you have no receivers. Ozzie drafted that core of players to build that winning franchise and now they want to run him out of town. There is a process in sports, you draft and build, then make your runs. The Ravens were always real close, an injury or two each year from a Super Bowl, I would say that is damn good.
robmeg34

Chesapeake Beach, MD

#6 Aug 30, 2008
Unbelievable...Billick gets run out of town & blamed for the collapse last year. Now...a revelation...our players are the problem not the coach.

All I heard last year was how Billick was the problem & HE was the reason we went 5-11 even though a year earlier the same Billick went 13-3.

Suddenly, it is not the coaches fault. Amazing how that works. We got old & hurt last year so we stunk...had NOTHING to do with Brian Billick. He can coach & won a hell of a lot of games here. Perhaps when Cam Cameron is putting up 13 points a game this year people might realize you need players in this league to win. And our best players were on the defensive side of the ball & unfortunately many of them have gotten old.
castle1

Myrtle Beach, SC

#7 Aug 30, 2008
Why are we still talking about Boller? Isn't it obvious from his demeanor on the sidelines that the team/his agent is not allowing him to play. He doesn't even watch the game, he never did that when backing up McNair. Boller is done as a Raven. There is an injury settlement/release coming and the only way to get the settlement is to make sure he doesn't play. It will save the Ravens 2.0M less the settlement in real money and about $750K in cap space.

And Smith? Are you kidding? What have you seen from this guy that remotely resembles an NFL player except his arrogant attitude. I guess arrogant is read CONFIDENT when you like someone. Smith is a joke on the field, he has to roll out and cut the field in half to make a play. NFL D-Coordinators would love to see that every week. As for those who still think he is quick enough to run away from NFL D's - Check out his 40 time and then watch with open eyes. Boller wasn't able to avoid the beating and he is bigger and runs almost the same speed. You can't outrun NFL D's.

As much as the Boller and Smith apologists don't like to admit it, when you watch Flacco in the pocket he has the "it" that everyone has said Boller lacks from day 1 and the measurables that Smith lacks. Maybe he isn't ready but neither is Smith and there is no upside the Smith. Why waste another year with a guy that won't be here next year, Flacco is the future, good or bad.

Let the Flacco era begin.
lewesjim

Bethlehem, PA

#8 Aug 30, 2008
mike
they are an old and tired team and some of them are playing just for the money. What must not happen is that Flacco take the beating that Boller took in his first year. He was never able to get over it and it showed.

They must cut the cap-heavy veterans, especially on the defense and start over again. It will take time and a bit of luck but we need a target date like McPhail gave the Orioles. 2010 should see us back where everyone wants to be.
Randy

Washington, DC

#9 Aug 30, 2008
"So, if possible, I would prefer the Ravens start Smith or Boller, who have clearly outplayed the rookie in the preseason."
What?? Are you kidding me?
How has Smith and Boller outplayed Flacco? What stats did you use to determine that? What phase other than mobility can Smith bring to the game that is better than Flacco?
If you're going to be a professional sports writer you should be careful to make statements that actually make sense.
dyno don

United States

#10 Aug 30, 2008
Pretty good piece by Mike.

We have a future O line; a future QB; probably a future RB (Rice plus McGehee); a next-year draft choice WR can make an immediate impact. A serviceable TE should be available in the first few rounds next year.

On the D side, we have good young LBs, good young Ss, and one excellent D lineman (Ngata plus Suggs)to build around.

If next year's draft and FA crop yields us 1 each CB, WR, TE, and DL, we will be a competent, competitive team - a year or two from the playoffs AFTER a good draft, but a decent team, and one with a future.

Just give Harbaugh and Flacco a chance.

And BTW, Billick AND Oz are BOTH to blame. I can't blame players for taking the money OR for getting old. These guys are breaking down because they played VERY tough, physical football for a long time.
Ron

Hagerstown, MD

#11 Aug 30, 2008
Reed,Rolle and McAlister have all lost a step and weren't even in that competetive last year. Hard hitting and the viscious play that the Ravens defense is know for have taken their toll. Cut the losses get rid of all three and look for new talent. In football coaching is everything, Lombardi fielded great teams year after year with a minimum of top notch players that crushed everyone. Great teams are only great when great coaches lead them.
jack in hebron

Queenstown, MD

#12 Aug 30, 2008
I guess all the Preston - haters are ready to jump on this post too . But he's right . This team has too many old players in key positions and or not enough talent in key positions . Anyone that mentions the super bowl team , or even the 13-3 season need to wake up , it's 2008 . The Rolle's , the McAllister's , the Lewis' are all one year older . It will take afew YEARS to turn over this roster and have Harbaugh's signature on it . No team stays on top forever , it's the normal cycle of the game . It's how long it takes to turn it "back around" is what counts .
Reno

Baltimore, MD

#13 Aug 30, 2008
Other then stating the obvious. I don't know how you determined that Boller and Smith have clearly outplayed Flacco.
LOL

Parkville, MD

#14 Aug 30, 2008
castle1 wrote:
Why are we still talking about Boller? Isn't it obvious from his demeanor on the sidelines that the team/his agent is not allowing him to play. He doesn't even watch the game, he never did that when backing up McNair. Boller is done as a Raven. There is an injury settlement/release coming and the only way to get the settlement is to make sure he doesn't play. It will save the Ravens 2.0M less the settlement in real money and about $750K in cap space.
And Smith? Are you kidding? What have you seen from this guy that remotely resembles an NFL player except his arrogant attitude. I guess arrogant is read CONFIDENT when you like someone. Smith is a joke on the field, he has to roll out and cut the field in half to make a play. NFL D-Coordinators would love to see that every week. As for those who still think he is quick enough to run away from NFL D's - Check out his 40 time and then watch with open eyes. Boller wasn't able to avoid the beating and he is bigger and runs almost the same speed. You can't outrun NFL D's.
As much as the Boller and Smith apologists don't like to admit it, when you watch Flacco in the pocket he has the "it" that everyone has said Boller lacks from day 1 and the measurables that Smith lacks. Maybe he isn't ready but neither is Smith and there is no upside the Smith. Why waste another year with a guy that won't be here next year, Flacco is the future, good or bad.
Let the Flacco era begin.
replace arrogant with uppity, pretty much what most airheads around here think. troy isn't far removed from being a rookie himself but he'll never get a fair shake from these idiot fans. i believe he has the tools to be a starter for some team one day but it does take some time. i'll never understand how a guy who hasn't had hardly any time can be crapped on so frequently. it isn't like boller, who had years to show that he stunk - yet gets defended lustily to this day! explain that one.
Randy

Washington, DC

#15 Aug 30, 2008
jack in hebron wrote:
I guess all the Preston - haters are ready to jump on this post too . But he's right . This team has too many old players in key positions and or not enough talent in key positions . Anyone that mentions the super bowl team , or even the 13-3 season need to wake up , it's 2008 . The Rolle's , the McAllister's , the Lewis' are all one year older . It will take afew YEARS to turn over this roster and have Harbaugh's signature on it . No team stays on top forever , it's the normal cycle of the game . It's how long it takes to turn it "back around" is what counts .
I agree but don't you think the Ravens should have anticipated this? When your entire starting defensive backfield, your middle linebacker, and your best rushing end are all at the end of their careers, what other outcome can you expect? Did they really believe that all five of these guys would be healthy long enough to help this team? If so then we need someone else to run the Front Office.

This could have ramifications for years to come and it could have been avoided.
Randy

Washington, DC

#16 Aug 30, 2008
LOL wrote:
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replace arrogant with uppity, pretty much what most airheads around here think. troy isn't far removed from being a rookie himself but he'll never get a fair shake from these idiot fans. i believe he has the tools to be a starter for some team one day but it does take some time. i'll never understand how a guy who hasn't had hardly any time can be crapped on so frequently. it isn't like boller, who had years to show that he stunk - yet gets defended lustily to this day! explain that one.
Some people smell somthing that stinks before others smell it. They just have better noses!

As a pro quarterback Smith stinks.
jeffro

Tarboro, NC

#17 Aug 30, 2008
The Ravens D was the most intimidating D of the 2000s. The players are battle worn now. Cut them a break. The offense was either Boller was hurt, Lewis was hurt, Heap was hurt, or McNair was hurt. You need all three of those guys healthy to compete, unfortunately the timing was never right. The QBs, well Boller had no vet QB. or recievers, or no RB. it was either one of the three or all of above. He is a tough classy young man that always did what was right for the team. Cut him a break. As far as drafting QBs David Carr, Byron Leftwich, Alex Smith, Harrington, all busts...at least you didn't draft Smith as #1 and he gets beat out by a WFL QB. Leinhardt is still struggling with a QB mentor. Matt Ryan doesn't look like much either. Drafting a QB is very difficult.So if you would have picked any of these guys you would have been had more QB busts.You are rebuilding now, the Billick blueprint is over and a new one has begun. Billicks was successful.
Harry

Rochester, NY

#18 Aug 30, 2008
Finally a comprehensive article that covers why the Ravens will struggle this season and what the real expectations should be and not just blame Billick and Boller for all the problems.
HeWhoCannotBeNam ed

Berlin, Germany

#19 Aug 30, 2008
For once I have an issue with almost every single paragraph, but I'm busy with birthday presents.
john

Reisterstown, MD

#20 Aug 30, 2008
billy bob wrote:
who's fault is it preston? ozzie's off limits eh? who signed head cases like McGhehee and McAlister with big sal cap limiting bonuses? yea right.
I absolutely agree. I'm a PSL holder with an annual 3400 dollar bill to pay. I'm frankly perturbed that Ozzie escapes scrutiny for this mess. We have a boatload of mediocre draft picks on this team, and except for 2006, we've been living with the Boller mistake for 6 years now. Look at the 49ers and Alex Smith. To their credit they took 3 years to decide to go with a journeyman QB and bench the overall #1 pick. If our front office could make decisions like that we would have Derek Andersen playing QB and would have moved on to other problems instead being in the same damn QB quandry.
Why haven't all these injured players come to light over the 6 month offseason instead of 2-3 weeks before the 1st game? Bischotti needs to stop smoking big cigars and driving big cars and start paying attention to this crumbling mess.

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