Has Michael Vick Already Peaked?

Jul 16, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: NBC Philadelphia

"Vick has shown he is capable of throwing the ball exceptionally well from the pocket," said Jaworski.

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<quoted text>NOBODY has failed miserably. Dog fighting is now a felony in all 50 states. Green Hills in Italy,infamous for raising Beagle puppies for research labs,was overrun by protesters who saved 2500 dogs. They have wisely decided not to reopen. BTW that made the only two left to be closed. The other was closed a few yrs ago. ARC is now 70,000 strong all over the world seizing,legally,from abusive and neglectful situations as well as dog fighting. Those that need rehabbed are;medical aid is rendered,foster homes are available until the dogs are adopted and they are.In our area alone we have saved,transported and homed hundreds of homeless,abused, neglected dogs. Failed?? I don't think so and we're only getting more and more LE behind us. Ohio who had a law to euthanize all pits(and people wouldn't take theirs outside the home except to potty)Has repealed that foolishness. Why? The responsible people who own them,license them,leash them when walking except at the do park where the pits have NO problem getting along with other dogs.There's a new day a risin' as we say in the south.
In the 70's they blamed the Doberman.
In the 80's they blamed the German Shepherd.
In the 90's they blamed the Rottweiler.
Now they blame the pit bull.
Cesar Milan
When will YOU blame the humans. Like Thug Vick?
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<quoted text>Good post!
Thank you Shadoz. The 'Dogs are not People' moron think all can be done in a day. Millions of pets are put down each yr. The estimate is 4.000.000. That's why I'm an advocate of spaying,neutering,no dog breeders,no puppy mills. There are too many animals needing home to buy one from these greedy people. The parent animals normally live in horrendous conditions as do the puppies. That's why so many die or are weak and sick. I just saw a poor little dog who lived on the street and was passed by people every day. Nobody cared.A fine lady finally picked her up and took her to the vet but it was too late-she died of starvation that night. I thank God she had one day of petting,food,water and love. As a society this speaks volumes as to the condition are hearts are in. It's a scary thing. There were the two pitties someone dumped on an abandoned strip mine. Starving,being attacked by a coyote,gashes everywhere. A brave lady found them riding a four wheeler and went back every night to feed and water them. She contacted me and together we got them to the vet for meds,vaccines,quarantine. They were on their way to L.A. to a pit rescue when a married couple of college professors adopted them.From their photos they're living the life now.I could go on and on but the point is if anyone sees a homeless,starving dog take it home at least,to the vet if you are able-THERE ARE RESCUES NOT,I repeat NOT shelters.Contact a rescue who will help you find the right one and the dog will get a foster and be adopted rather than euthanized. Sorry for the length of this but this is truly my work,my valling.
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<quoted text>I never started a petition against him or signed one.Why? I cared nothing about his football career. And believe it or not all my rescues are well cared for and taken care of until my helper gives evening meds and feeds. Try it.It will make you realize how animals are blessings.
I don't think Dogs cares one way or the other about this issue Leah. He/she is one of those who attempt to bolster his/her own low self-esteem by belittling, and insulting others and picking apart everything said about the subject being discussed. It wouldn't matter if Jesus in the flesh showed up on this forum to denounce Michael Vick, a person like that would find some fault because it makes them feel better about themselves to put down others. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. I simply have a problem with the condescending manner used when it's done. I can only imagine the fiasco if a Presidential debate were similar to the "debates" on this forum. I have to admit though, it would be a lot more interesting.

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<quoted text>Thank you Shadoz. The 'Dogs are not People' moron think all can be done in a day. Millions of pets are put down each yr. The estimate is 4.000.000. That's why I'm an advocate of spaying,neutering,no dog breeders,no puppy mills. There are too many animals needing home to buy one from these greedy people. The parent animals normally live in horrendous conditions as do the puppies. That's why so many die or are weak and sick. I just saw a poor little dog who lived on the street and was passed by people every day. Nobody cared.A fine lady finally picked her up and took her to the vet but it was too late-she died of starvation that night. I thank God she had one day of petting,food,water and love. As a society this speaks volumes as to the condition are hearts are in. It's a scary thing. There were the two pitties someone dumped on an abandoned strip mine. Starving,being attacked by a coyote,gashes everywhere. A brave lady found them riding a four wheeler and went back every night to feed and water them. She contacted me and together we got them to the vet for meds,vaccines,quarantine. They were on their way to L.A. to a pit rescue when a married couple of college professors adopted them.From their photos they're living the life now.I could go on and on but the point is if anyone sees a homeless,starving dog take it home at least,to the vet if you are able-THERE ARE RESCUES NOT,I repeat NOT shelters.Contact a rescue who will help you find the right one and the dog will get a foster and be adopted rather than euthanized. Sorry for the length of this but this is truly my work,my valling.
Good for you Leah and all those others working diligently to rescue abused and/or neglected dogs. I volunteer for a wildlife group and transport orphaned or injured wildlife to rehabilitators so I don't have as much time for domestic animals. Fortunately, there are enough people like you in my area who do work with dogs, cats and other domestic animals so I can devote my time to the wild ones. Since we do this using our own time and funds, the only reward we get is the satisfaction that we saved an animal or relieved it's suffering. It doesn't get any better than that.
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I don't think Dogs cares one way or the other about this issue Leah. He/she is one of those who attempt to bolster his/her own low self-esteem by belittling, and insulting others and picking apart everything said about the subject being discussed. It wouldn't matter if Jesus in the flesh showed up on this forum to denounce Michael Vick, a person like that would find some fault because it makes them feel better about themselves to put down others. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. I simply have a problem with the condescending manner used when it's done. I can only imagine the fiasco if a Presidential debate were similar to the "debates" on this forum. I have to admit though, it would be a lot more interesting.
I seriously doubt Dogs are Not People believes what he says..he's simply a sh*t disturber..enjoy's getting a rise out of us!
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Good for you Leah and all those others working diligently to rescue abused and/or neglected dogs. I volunteer for a wildlife group and transport orphaned or injured wildlife to rehabilitators so I don't have as much time for domestic animals. Fortunately, there are enough people like you in my area who do work with dogs, cats and other domestic animals so I can devote my time to the wild ones. Since we do this using our own time and funds, the only reward we get is the satisfaction that we saved an animal or relieved it's suffering. It doesn't get any better than that.
That's wonderful to be able to help wild animals. All of us are volunteers. If animals need med. attention we do what is called a 'chip in' through paypal. WE have never once in all these years had to say no to an animal even for amputation(and they get a custom cart) all the way to cancer treatment. We are ALL volunteers-no money comes to us in any form. The accts are set up on an as needed basis to the vet.Sometimes we even have some left over for the next case.Kudos to you!

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<quoted text>If you have a problem with liars why is it you don't have a problem with vick? That's all he does. He never addressed his "mistakes". Getting caught and going to jail for gambling doesn't address what he did to those animals. Obviously he wouldn't know the truth if it came up and smacked him and neither would you.
He in fact has publicly stated what he did to those animals is was was wrong on his part several times. He's taken full responsibility and has held himself accountable for all his previously disgusting and heinous acts that included the dog fighting and killing of animals.

The real problem is, is that some of you won't even pull the blinders off and see the silver lining to this once dark cloud. M. Vick getting caught for this has raised animal cruelty awareness to unprecedented heights. Without him, many more dog fighting rings/circuits would be going on today all functioning under the radar.

Stop always looking for the negative and focus on the real positives from all of this.
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He in fact has publicly stated what he did to those animals is was was wrong on his part several times. He's taken full responsibility and has held himself accountable for all his previously disgusting and heinous acts that included the dog fighting and killing of animals.
The real problem is, is that some of you won't even pull the blinders off and see the silver lining to this once dark cloud. M. Vick getting caught for this has raised animal cruelty awareness to unprecedented heights. Without him, many more dog fighting rings/circuits would be going on today all functioning under the radar.
Stop always looking for the negative and focus on the real positives from all of this.
I have to agree with that. It's just so terrible that this is what it took to raise awareness but it CERTAINLY has.I don't care for anyone who uses or abuses animals so I'll never like him but I say "Play on Vick".

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<quoted text>I have to agree with that. It's just so terrible that this is what it took to raise awareness but it CERTAINLY has.I don't care for anyone who uses or abuses animals so I'll never like him but I say "Play on Vick".
That's awesome Leah! Honestly, holding on to bitterness and resentment toward Vick is so not worth it.

When and if he messes up again, by all means meet me outside his house with pitchforks, ropes and the whole nine but until then it is what it is...

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He in fact has publicly stated what he did to those animals is was was wrong on his part several times. He's taken full responsibility and has held himself accountable for all his previously disgusting and heinous acts that included the dog fighting and killing of animals.
The real problem is, is that some of you won't even pull the blinders off and see the silver lining to this once dark cloud. M. Vick getting caught for this has raised animal cruelty awareness to unprecedented heights. Without him, many more dog fighting rings/circuits would be going on today all functioning under the radar.
Stop always looking for the negative and focus on the real positives from all of this.
For his sake, I hope it was a sincere heartfelt statement. If he stays clean, I will accept that he has paid his debt to society. If he screws up again, I will be the first to call for locking him up and losing the key.
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He in fact has publicly stated what he did to those animals is was was wrong on his part several times.
And do you really think he should be given credit for that? Wrong isn't the word for it....try depraved, sick, abhorrent, repulsive, etc. But you won't ever hear vick describe his crimes in that light. And that's because he doesn't think it was that bad.
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He's taken full responsibility and has held himself accountable for all his previously disgusting and heinous acts that included the dog fighting and killing of animals.
Yeah, he sure has. I wonder how much Federal prosecutors threatening him with RICO violations and some "significant" jail time had to do with that. Vick lied and denied up until the very last minute when the Feds told his lawyers that if he didn't take the offer they had on the table that they were going to go after him with the much tougher RICO charges. THEN and only then did the POS "take full responsibility". He even lied after that about his participation in the actual killing of dogs until he failed a polygraph and his lawyers again told him to fess up or Judge Hanson would be even harsher. Only THEN did the dog killer suddenly remember how he took part in killing dogs.
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The real problem is, is that some of you won't even pull the blinders off and see the silver lining to this once dark cloud. M. Vick getting caught for this has raised animal cruelty awareness to unprecedented heights. Without him, many more dog fighting rings/circuits would be going on today all functioning under the radar.
Stop always looking for the negative and focus on the real positives from all of this.
Actually a great many of us has said this over and over again, including me. We've also conceded that due to vick being such a public image and his prosecution being covered on a National level that it has helped lead to dog fighting becoming a felony is all 50 states. However I give vick absolutely no credit for this. That's comparable to giving thanks for the existance of a monster like Osama Bin Laden for increasing awareness regarding terrorism.

It's obvious that, for some reason, you want to take vick at face value and without questioning his motives for everything he has said and done. However there are reasons behind all of vick's actions and words. Most of those reasons are self serving to reacquire to what he lost such as his football career, wealth, and even a fruitless attempt to garner lost public popularity.

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Ok Jim Evans. There just isn't enough Vick can say or do to redeem himself in your eyes which is your right to hold a grudge but do not try and assume what I'm thinking or feeling because I think I've made it pretty clear in past posts that whilst I do not like what Vick was and what he did and I did not like what he continued to try and do to keep it covered up the bottom line is that he served time, has exhibited behavior of the opposite from what he was and he is speaking up and out against what he used to do and helping as much as possible to eliminate dog fighting once and for all.

YOU maintain something personal against M. Vick so I urge you Jim Evans to email, tweet, FB M. Vick himself because all you're doing is going after people that don't share your harbored hate and that had nothing to do with what he did.

Go after the man himself and what you post here apply it against him if you truly posses convictions. I don't want to see another post from you here because if I do I'll know you lack the courage and convictions of what you go on and on about here. Do us proud Jim!
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And do you really think he should be given credit for that? Wrong isn't the word for it....try depraved, sick, abhorrent, repulsive, etc. But you won't ever hear vick describe his crimes in that light. And that's because he doesn't think it was that bad.
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Yeah, he sure has. I wonder how much Federal prosecutors threatening him with RICO violations and some "significant" jail time had to do with that. Vick lied and denied up until the very last minute when the Feds told his lawyers that if he didn't take the offer they had on the table that they were going to go after him with the much tougher RICO charges. THEN and only then did the POS "take full responsibility". He even lied after that about his participation in the actual killing of dogs until he failed a polygraph and his lawyers again told him to fess up or Judge Hanson would be even harsher. Only THEN did the dog killer suddenly remember how he took part in killing dogs.
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Actually a great many of us has said this over and over again, including me. We've also conceded that due to vick being such a public image and his prosecution being covered on a National level that it has helped lead to dog fighting becoming a felony is all 50 states. However I give vick absolutely no credit for this. That's comparable to giving thanks for the existance of a monster like Osama Bin Laden for increasing awareness regarding terrorism.
It's obvious that, for some reason, you want to take vick at face value and without questioning his motives for everything he has said and done. However there are reasons behind all of vick's actions and words. Most of those reasons are self serving to reacquire to what he lost such as his football career, wealth, and even a fruitless attempt to garner lost public popularity.
EXCELLENT POST
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Ok Jim Evans. There just isn't enough Vick can say or do to redeem himself in your eyes which is your right to hold a grudge but do not try and assume what I'm thinking or feeling because I think I've made it pretty clear in past posts that whilst I do not like what Vick was and what he did and I did not like what he continued to try and do to keep it covered up the bottom line is that he served time, has exhibited behavior of the opposite from what he was and he is speaking up and out against what he used to do and helping as much as possible to eliminate dog fighting once and for all.
YOU maintain something personal against M. Vick so I urge you Jim Evans to email, tweet, FB M. Vick himself because all you're doing is going after people that don't share your harbored hate and that had nothing to do with what he did.
Go after the man himself and what you post here apply it against him if you truly posses convictions. I don't want to see another post from you here because if I do I'll know you lack the courage and convictions of what you go on and on about here. Do us proud Jim!
I used to think you may have a little bit of sense and were receptive to debating things relative to vick. Debates include opinions and personal thoughts and it seems those that are counter to yours really seem to torque your ass.

"jusayin", go see if you can get your panties out of that wad you've wound them up in and try and be a big man. If you can't take a little counter debate and opinions different than your own, take your own advice and GTFO. I don't want to see another whiny ass post from you. YOU GOT THAT? LMGDAO
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Hey guys,let me make a statement to both of you. I love dogs,I love rescue,I love watching some p**** get time in jail for being an animal abuser. What Vick did to the dogs was every adjective and more that Jim used. Despicable is Vick and were I he I would be ashamed to show my demented face in public.BUT,under horrible circumstances Vick did put the spotlight on dog fighting which led to an increased awareness of all animal abuse. I can vouch for that having worked with dogs for years. I am NOT defending Vick.I despise what he has done to innocents and I don't believe one word from that lying mouth. Personally,I don't believe he has a soul. It sounds crazy but I'm happy that more people are aware of what goes on and watch for it. Several years ago it was a little difficult to find an available rescue for a dog or puppy. Nowadays there are many,many more rescues due to awareness.

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Ok Jim Evans. There just isn't enough Vick can say or do to redeem himself in your eyes which is your right to hold a grudge but do not try and assume what I'm thinking or feeling because I think I've made it pretty clear in past posts that whilst I do not like what Vick was and what he did and I did not like what he continued to try and do to keep it covered up the bottom line is that he served time, has exhibited behavior of the opposite from what he was and he is speaking up and out against what he used to do and helping as much as possible to eliminate dog fighting once and for all.
YOU maintain something personal against M. Vick so I urge you Jim Evans to email, tweet, FB M. Vick himself because all you're doing is going after people that don't share your harbored hate and that had nothing to do with what he did.
Go after the man himself and what you post here apply it against him if you truly posses convictions. I don't want to see another post from you here because if I do I'll know you lack the courage and convictions of what you go on and on about here. Do us proud Jim!
So, your bottom line is "he served his time, exhibited behavior the opposite of what he was", is that it? Sure, that's very true. I certainly hope you are that generous if a registered sex offender moves into your neighborhood. After all, "they served their time". I think you miss the point as to why some of us remain on this forum voicing our opinions about Michael Vick. Heck, he's already back playing football, being worshipped by his adoring fans, and making millions of dollars again. So what's to be gained by continuing with these "anti-Vick" conversations? Actually, a lot. Just like registered sex-offenders who "served their time" Michael Vick has to now face an irate public who has no intention of forgiving and forgetting what he did simply because he served his time. The horrors of what he did to those dogs simply will not disappear from the minds of anyone who has a conscience. I don't care about Michael Vick anymore. All I care about is keeping the momentum going long enough to make a difference in the laws regarding animal fighting and animal abuse. Michael Vick, at this point, is merely a very good tool for doing that because he is rich and famous. If he has half a brain, he might wake up someday and truly realize just why a lot of people are still mad at him. I might be able to forgive, but forget......NEVER.

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I used to think you may have a little bit of sense and were receptive to debating things relative to vick. Debates include opinions and personal thoughts and it seems those that are counter to yours really seem to torque your ass.
"jusayin", go see if you can get your panties out of that wad you've wound them up in and try and be a big man. If you can't take a little counter debate and opinions different than your own, take your own advice and GTFO. I don't want to see another whiny ass post from you. YOU GOT THAT? LMGDAO
Whether you think I have sense and am receptive or not makes me no difference to me because it's coming from a person that is totally unreceptive himself. I'd be a fool to take your opinion to heart after seeing all your one sided rants.

Mr. Jim Evans you assume you know what I think and how I feel and you care not to understand and acknowledge my perspective and you dare say I no longer or never really had the sense and necessary receptiveness to debate? While you yourself are totally self absorbed? That's why I told you, go to M. Vick himself and let the one who's done this have it. Does you no good to keep beating a dead horse here to people that had absolutely 0 to do with what Vick did.

It's either the self absorption or you must have an issue reading my friend because I said and I quote "Ok Jim Evans. There just isn't enough Vick can say or do to redeem himself in your eyes WHICH IS YOUR RIGHT to hold a grudge".

Did I or have I once ever said that you or Leah or Barbara or Vick Hater were WRONG in feeling this way towards Michael Vick? No. I understand why you all do. I've just tried to see if you all were willing to look at it from a different perspective, release some of the hate and maybe in the end see the silver lining of a very dark and destructive cloud. That's all.

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So, your bottom line is "he served his time, exhibited behavior the opposite of what he was", is that it? Sure, that's very true. I certainly hope you are that generous if a registered sex offender moves into your neighborhood. After all, "they served their time". I think you miss the point as to why some of us remain on this forum voicing our opinions about Michael Vick. Heck, he's already back playing football, being worshipped by his adoring fans, and making millions of dollars again. So what's to be gained by continuing with these "anti-Vick" conversations? Actually, a lot. Just like registered sex-offenders who "served their time" Michael Vick has to now face an irate public who has no intention of forgiving and forgetting what he did simply because he served his time. The horrors of what he did to those dogs simply will not disappear from the minds of anyone who has a conscience. I don't care about Michael Vick anymore. All I care about is keeping the momentum going long enough to make a difference in the laws regarding animal fighting and animal abuse. Michael Vick, at this point, is merely a very good tool for doing that because he is rich and famous. If he has half a brain, he might wake up someday and truly realize just why a lot of people are still mad at him. I might be able to forgive, but forget......NEVER.
Barbara, I've told you my position and it's not so cut and dry.

I liked Vick's style of play and not the man himself before he was caught. He himself disgusted me after it all came out and his nonchalant demeanor did nothing to redeem himself before he went in. When he was released, I still had no use for him but all I could do was take a "wait and see" approach seeing as he was tried to the fullest extent at that time seeing as this was basically uncharted waters with no laws in place to keep him in prison for 10+ years. I have said many many times to you guys let go of the hate for Vick that is consuming you because like it or not the hate you harbor owns you. So since the hate you have is for Vick, he in fact owns you and can make you react one way or another. Only when you have strong feeling of love or hate can a person do that to you and he's got some of you.

I've said from the beginning when I first started posting about Vick here, forgive him. Let the hate go but please NEVER FORGET so we can nip another Vick type in the bud.

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Hey guys,let me make a statement to both of you. I love dogs,I love rescue,I love watching some p**** get time in jail for being an animal abuser. What Vick did to the dogs was every adjective and more that Jim used. Despicable is Vick and were I he I would be ashamed to show my demented face in public.BUT,under horrible circumstances Vick did put the spotlight on dog fighting which led to an increased awareness of all animal abuse. I can vouch for that having worked with dogs for years. I am NOT defending Vick.I despise what he has done to innocents and I don't believe one word from that lying mouth. Personally,I don't believe he has a soul. It sounds crazy but I'm happy that more people are aware of what goes on and watch for it. Several years ago it was a little difficult to find an available rescue for a dog or puppy. Nowadays there are many,many more rescues due to awareness.
You're right. Do I support Vick the footballer? Nope. Do I support Vick in his crusade to alert and help end dog fighting? Yes. Do I hope he is sincere and has turned his life around for the better and will do his best which is all any of us can do in this life when faced with adversity? Yes.

See the silver lining Jim. Accept it and move on or like I've said, correspond with Vick himself and let him have it. At least then you'll be unleashing it on the one who really deserves it because we certainly don't here.

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