Michael Vick says Eagles can be a dyn...

Michael Vick says Eagles can be a dynasty

There are 257 comments on the 1450 WILM NEWSRADIO story from Jul 19, 2012, titled Michael Vick says Eagles can be a dynasty. In it, 1450 WILM NEWSRADIO reports that:

Fresh off of a disappointing 8-8 campaign, Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick says his team has a chance to become a "dynasty." The disaster that was the 2011 "Dream Team" Eagles isn't scaring Michael Vick from associating an even bigger "D" word to describe his team heading into the 2012 season.

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Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#156 Dec 13, 2012
Bill Cosbeotch wrote:
Ya that is probably vick we talking to directly since he out of work after they replace with third string qb. Hey mike hows your enormous buthole doing?
"we talking to"
"he out of work"
"after they replace with third string qb"

Thanks again for continuing to make the haters look stupid.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#157 Dec 13, 2012
Vick no doubt still has a little left in the tank, but at age 32, he is not anybody's long term solution and not worth an expensive bidding war.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#159 Dec 13, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
Vick no doubt still has a little left in the tank, but at age 32, he is not anybody's long term solution and not worth an expensive bidding war.
Definitely not. Like I said, he'll get average money.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#161 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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Definitely not. Like I said, he'll get average money.
That sounds about right.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#163 Dec 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds about right.
Meanwhile, Foles will be starting for around 500k a year. Can't say he's earned a new deal.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#164 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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Meanwhile, Foles will be starting for around 500k a year. Can't say he's earned a new deal.
Foles is a much lighter salary cap hit than Vick which would free up more money to address other needs. Foles will likely get better with experience.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#165 Dec 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Foles is a much lighter salary cap hit than Vick which would free up more money to address other needs. Foles will likely get better with experience.
I like Foles. He's got that Ben Rothlisberger size and I agree he'll get better. You're absolutely right though, they need to address some needs. Too bad the O-line was so banged up this year. Hard to tell what they've got to work with in that respect, but I think they could cut some money in that secondary for sure. They need guys who can tackle.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#166 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I like Foles. He's got that Ben Rothlisberger size and I agree he'll get better. You're absolutely right though, they need to address some needs. Too bad the O-line was so banged up this year. Hard to tell what they've got to work with in that respect, but I think they could cut some money in that secondary for sure. They need guys who can tackle.
How is their defensive line? They say that the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A good pass rush could make an ordinary secondary look good while a weak pass rush could make a great secondary look bad.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#167 Dec 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>How is their defensive line? They say that the best pass defense is a good pass rush. A good pass rush could make an ordinary secondary look good while a weak pass rush could make a great secondary look bad.
I think their d-line has potential. No continuity though and they underachieved big time this year. They also released their sack leader from last year a couple weeks ago. They've been juggling coaches and coordinators for the last 2 years too. Jimmy Johnson was the last decent D coordinator they had and he's proving to be irreplaceable. They haven't had a really good D since he passed away.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#168 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I think their d-line has potential. No continuity though and they underachieved big time this year. They also released their sack leader from last year a couple weeks ago. They've been juggling coaches and coordinators for the last 2 years too. Jimmy Johnson was the last decent D coordinator they had and he's proving to be irreplaceable. They haven't had a really good D since he passed away.
Jimmy Johnson was one of the best defensive coordinators ever. Now I can see where Steve Spagnuolo got his expertise from.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#169 Dec 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Jimmy Johnson was one of the best defensive coordinators ever. Now I can see where Steve Spagnuolo got his expertise from.
I wonder if the eagles would give Spags another shot at a head coaching job with their impending vacancy. Not that he lit up the night in St Louis, but I'd like to see what would happen with a d-minded coach in Philly.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#170 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I wonder if the eagles would give Spags another shot at a head coaching job with their impending vacancy. Not that he lit up the night in St Louis, but I'd like to see what would happen with a d-minded coach in Philly.
Some of the greatest assistant coaches of all time were collosal failures as head coaches. That may not be the answer. Think Bill Arnsparger and Norb Hecker.
genevalove

Grayson, GA

#171 Dec 14, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I like Foles. He's got that Ben Rothlisberger size and I agree he'll get better. You're absolutely right though, they need to address some needs. Too bad the O-line was so banged up this year. Hard to tell what they've got to work with in that respect, but I think they could cut some money in that secondary for sure. They need guys who can tackle.
Foles can now sleep tonight; getoutgaysplat likes him!
What about ur hero number 7
Wow how fickle gay guys are.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#173 Dec 14, 2012
genevalove wrote:
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Foles can now sleep tonight; getoutgaysplat likes him!
What about ur hero number 7
Wow how fickle gay guys are.
I only ever "liked" Vick in your sick an twisted mind. I'll ask you again to prove I "like" "idolize" or "hero worship" the man. Put up or shut up, LOSER.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#175 Dec 14, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Some of the greatest assistant coaches of all time were collosal failures as head coaches. That may not be the answer. Think Bill Arnsparger and Norb Hecker.
Well, Spags certainly didn't prove he had what it took in St Louis, but with the eagles current situation, what do they have to lose ? I'm thinking one year deal, see how he does and hopefully someone comes available for 2014 if he falls flat. I really don't know what his current deal is in N.O. though.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#176 Dec 15, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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Well, Spags certainly didn't prove he had what it took in St Louis, but with the eagles current situation, what do they have to lose ? I'm thinking one year deal, see how he does and hopefully someone comes available for 2014 if he falls flat. I really don't know what his current deal is in N.O. though.
I suppose you could be right if he gets the right assistants to run the offense. I do not know anything much about Spag's personality and I do wonder if he is more of a tactician than an actual leader. Geoge Allen who was a fiery leader was a successful head coach who was an outstanding defensive coach first. Bill Arnsparger was a great defensive coordinator with the Dolphins during their back to back Super Bowl championships in the early 70's, but he was a much better tactician than a fiery leader and failed terribly as a head coach for the Giants. The Giants did worse under him than his predessesor and his successor and neither of those two (Alex Webster and John McVay) will be known as anything more than mediocre. If Spags is the type of coach who can motivate the troops, he just might be the right fit for the Eagles. BYW I am enjoying our exchanges of opinions very much in sn spite of our not so cordial beginnings. You seem to have some good football knowledge even though I may disagree with you sometimes about Vick.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#177 Dec 15, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose you could be right if he gets the right assistants to run the offense. I do not know anything much about Spag's personality and I do wonder if he is more of a tactician than an actual leader. Geoge Allen who was a fiery leader was a successful head coach who was an outstanding defensive coach first. Bill Arnsparger was a great defensive coordinator with the Dolphins during their back to back Super Bowl championships in the early 70's, but he was a much better tactician than a fiery leader and failed terribly as a head coach for the Giants. The Giants did worse under him than his predessesor and his successor and neither of those two (Alex Webster and John McVay) will be known as anything more than mediocre. If Spags is the type of coach who can motivate the troops, he just might be the right fit for the Eagles. BYW I am enjoying our exchanges of opinions very much in sn spite of our not so cordial beginnings. You seem to have some good football knowledge even though I may disagree with you sometimes about Vick.
I appreciate your responses as well. Our exchanges have been very refreshing.
I agree with what you said above. And I think a fiery leader is what the eagles have been lacking. I know he's said multiple times that he's very happy doing Monday night football, but I think Gruden would be a good fit in Philly. Honestly, I think he could make a big difference for a lot of teams. The players seem to respond to him even though he goes "Chucky" on occasion. I enjoy his work as a commentator, but it's a damn shame that his coaching talent is going to waste. Ya know, that fiery leadership is what Andy always lacked. That scenario you mentioned about being more of a tactician than an actual leader fits him. He never seemed to deliver that ass whooping these prima donnas need once in a while to get their heads straight. I guess if they have the same thing with Spags, it's just out of the frying pan into the fire.
Another possibility they're talking about in Philly is Chip Kelly from Oregon . Similarly to Spags, and again because of the position the eagles find themselves in, I think the eagles would be a good a place for him to start his NFL career.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#178 Dec 15, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I appreciate your responses as well. Our exchanges have been very refreshing.
I agree with what you said above. And I think a fiery leader is what the eagles have been lacking. I know he's said multiple times that he's very happy doing Monday night football, but I think Gruden would be a good fit in Philly. Honestly, I think he could make a big difference for a lot of teams. The players seem to respond to him even though he goes "Chucky" on occasion. I enjoy his work as a commentator, but it's a damn shame that his coaching talent is going to waste. Ya know, that fiery leadership is what Andy always lacked. That scenario you mentioned about being more of a tactician than an actual leader fits him. He never seemed to deliver that ass whooping these prima donnas need once in a while to get their heads straight. I guess if they have the same thing with Spags, it's just out of the frying pan into the fire.
Another possibility they're talking about in Philly is Chip Kelly from Oregon . Similarly to Spags, and again because of the position the eagles find themselves in, I think the eagles would be a good a place for him to start his NFL career.
Gruden may be taking a page from John Madden's playbook in that Madden retired from coaching very young because of the toll the pressures of coaching were taking on his health. Madden was very content to be a football announcer and did a great job of it for many years. I am sure Gruden is well compensated in his present position.

“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#179 Dec 15, 2012
Get-Out wrote:
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I appreciate your responses as well. Our exchanges have been very refreshing.
I agree with what you said above. And I think a fiery leader is what the eagles have been lacking. I know he's said multiple times that he's very happy doing Monday night football, but I think Gruden would be a good fit in Philly. Honestly, I think he could make a big difference for a lot of teams. The players seem to respond to him even though he goes "Chucky" on occasion. I enjoy his work as a commentator, but it's a damn shame that his coaching talent is going to waste. Ya know, that fiery leadership is what Andy always lacked. That scenario you mentioned about being more of a tactician than an actual leader fits him. He never seemed to deliver that ass whooping these prima donnas need once in a while to get their heads straight. I guess if they have the same thing with Spags, it's just out of the frying pan into the fire.
Another possibility they're talking about in Philly is Chip Kelly from Oregon . Similarly to Spags, and again because of the position the eagles find themselves in, I think the eagles would be a good a place for him to start his NFL career.
I do suppose that there are some less firy coaches you just by their somewhat more subdued calm and condident manner. Some coaches just have that presence that would make you confident in any thing he said to the point of willing to walk to hell and back for him. Perhaps charasmatic would be a better word than fiery.

The Vince Lombardi style will not work for all coaches. Lombardi was a reletless critic of players in games and in practice, but underneath he had a conscience and a deep respect for those willing to make the sacrifices necessary for success and the players knew it. Lombardi said that the hardest thing for him to do as a coach was to tell a player in training camp who worked his butt off and gave his best effort that he had to cut him from the roster. One year, after a successful season, he gave mink stoles to the married player's wives and the single player's mothers as a reward for being a pillar of support to the players. He realized what a strain a football career was putting on a marriage because it often took the players away from their families and Lombardi was sensitive enough to realize it.

Since: Jun 12

Santa Ana, CA

#180 Dec 15, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I do suppose that there are some less firy coaches you just by their somewhat more subdued calm and condident manner. Some coaches just have that presence that would make you confident in any thing he said to the point of willing to walk to hell and back for him. Perhaps charasmatic would be a better word than fiery.
The Vince Lombardi style will not work for all coaches. Lombardi was a reletless critic of players in games and in practice, but underneath he had a conscience and a deep respect for those willing to make the sacrifices necessary for success and the players knew it. Lombardi said that the hardest thing for him to do as a coach was to tell a player in training camp who worked his butt off and gave his best effort that he had to cut him from the roster. One year, after a successful season, he gave mink stoles to the married player's wives and the single player's mothers as a reward for being a pillar of support to the players. He realized what a strain a football career was putting on a marriage because it often took the players away from their families and Lombardi was sensitive enough to realize it.
They just don't make them like Lombardi anymore. The Championship trophy couldn't have a more fitting name. They don't make the type of players he coached anymore either. I had the great honor of meeting Chuck Bednarik once. Never had a more enlightening view of the differences between players now and then. He is nothing short of disgusted with today's players. The money they make for what they do is of course one of his biggest pet peeves. That and the celebrating they do. He said "the way some of them beat their chests like a gorilla just for doing their job is sickening". This is of course coming from someone who played both sides of the ball and worked a real job in the off season.
One thing we know for sure, whoever ends up in Philly has his work cut out for him. Big personalities and a tough city have to be 2 of the hardest things a coach has to deal with.

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