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It Came Down to a Bad Polygraph/ "I did it all," Vick said.

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“Casey's new friends”

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#1 Mar 7, 2008
We remember Ron Mexico's contrite, emotional press conference from August, when he nearly broke down and talked about his love for the Lord. We found it an impressive confession. His initial confession was a bit less graceful.

It all came down to a bad polygraph.

During that interview an FBI polygrapher found Vick was being deceptive in denying he killed dogs. After Vick's lawyer, Billy Martin, was told this, he asked Vick about the failed test. At that moment, Martin told Hudson, Vick broke down.

"I did it all," Vick said, Martin related. "I did everything. If you need me to say more, I'll say more."
That initial hesitance to take responsibility was the reason the dog-loving judge hammered Vick yesterday, and why he's gonna ESPN's gonna make a lot of money off the Arena League in 2010.

Vick's Lies Boosted Prison Time [Atlanta Journal-Constitution]
http://www.ajc.com/search/content/shared/spor...

Just How Into God Is Michael Vick?[Deadspin]
http://deadspin.com/sports/ron-mexico/just-ho...
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#2 Mar 7, 2008
As I best remember,vick said of one execution the other person put the rope around her neck and I dropped her. Even i kind of wanted to believe at first he wasn't there but he was and he did it.

“Casey's new friends”

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#3 Mar 7, 2008
Would the Free Vick crowd like to deny he took a lie detector test & failed it too? What you gonna blame that on, an outbreak of herpes?

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#4 Mar 7, 2008
I know it's too horrible & way more than the 8 Vick admitted to I think. But we still have people on here denying he was ever present for any of it, which is kind of mentally unhealthy to worship a felon so cruel to innocent victims. You never want to believe an NFL hero to many is capable of the level of brutality, but he was.
Lassie wrote:
As I best remember,vick said of one execution the other person put the rope around her neck and I dropped her. Even i kind of wanted to believe at first he wasn't there but he was and he did it.
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#5 Mar 7, 2008
Gretchen23 wrote:
I know it's too horrible & way more than the 8 Vick admitted to I think. But we still have people on here denying he was ever present for any of it, which is kind of mentally unhealthy to worship a felon so cruel to innocent victims. You never want to believe an NFL hero to many is capable of the level of brutality, but he was.
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yes and I remember those words "I did it all""Dogfighting is a terrible thing".At that moment I knew it was way more.AND it has been going on a long time according to members of his family "it's Mike's thing".and you know if those supporters don't want or care to believe there's nothing i can do about it but I don't have to accept his actions. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
Anbreen

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#6 Mar 8, 2008
Lassie wrote:
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yes and I remember those words "I did it all""Dogfighting is a terrible thing".At that moment I knew it was way more.AND it has been going on a long time according to members of his family "it's Mike's thing".and you know if those supporters don't want or care to believe there's nothing i can do about it but I don't have to accept his actions. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
Vick is a male Paris Hilton. Some people worship their fave celebs, and think they shpild be held above any normal behavioral standard.
USA ROCKS

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#7 Mar 8, 2008
The admission and all other facts don't matter, not to those who are blind Vick idolizers. They are obsessed with his fame, talent, looks(nadfly), or color. I truly believe the last factor I mentioned forms the crux of support for most of his supporters and defenders on these forums. Once a racist (famoon, FMV, blackwiseidiot, etc) has it in his/her mind nothing and I mean absolutely nothing will change their minds.

Their whole lives revolve around trying to identify how whites are racist in their associations and treatment of blacks and if there is no evidence in the current situation of their choice, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

After failing a polygraph Vick admitted to his personal involvement in cruelly killing dogs. They deny this. In their twisted minds he was forced to say this, he was under pressure to say this, it was only said to reduce his sentence and not really true etc.

Vick could come out on camera and say he enjoyed attending these dogfights, that they brought fun and pleasure into his life, which most sensible people agree on in the first place, and his racist loyalists would cry that he was MADE to say those incrimininating things.

You can't change the spots on a leopard or the stripes on a zebra and you can't convince a racist that Vick is not the victim of a racist white society and white power structure that wanted to bring down the almighty and famous Michael Vick.

The drugs he is involved with which BTW are resulting in him getting time taken off of his sentence, the spreading of herpes, the flipping off of fans, the dogfighting, etc. these are all things that he did only after being oppressed by the big bad white man. ALL black quarterbacks know this don't they famoon?
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#8 Mar 8, 2008
"I did it all," Vick said, Martin related. "I did everything. If you need me to say more, I'll say more."
I've heard Vick's apologists say that Vick blurted the above out to the FBI because he was under pressure by bully tactics & they made him say he did it.

But notice who he confessed to, not the FBI giving the polygraph, but his lawyer Billy Martin. Then Martin relayed this to the Judge. Are the Vick ass kissers also going to acusse Martin of being in on an anti-Vick conspiracy?
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#9 Mar 8, 2008
All the answers are the same. Funny on the forum about the Marine and the puppy,a Marine(supporter)??is writing and saying the puppy was....are you ready?????He said the puppy was the enemy getting ready to blow their heads off!!!! And i am not trying to distract here,just making the point that the dogs DIE,the dogs Suffer,and the people say it's not their fault.WTF????

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#10 Mar 8, 2008
Lassie wrote:
All the answers are the same. Funny on the forum about the Marine and the puppy,a Marine(supporter)??is writing and saying the puppy was....are you ready?????He said the puppy was the enemy getting ready to blow their heads off!!!! And i am not trying to distract here,just making the point that the dogs DIE,the dogs Suffer,and the people say it's not their fault.WTF????
Point us to that site? However, I must tell you, if there is a choice between the puppy and the soldier, I'd take the soldier. They go through alot. He was wrong and he will pay the price, but he could be going through post tramatic stress disorder.
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#11 Mar 8, 2008
myconju wrote:
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Point us to that site? However, I must tell you, if there is a choice between the puppy and the soldier, I'd take the soldier. They go through alot. He was wrong and he will pay the price, but he could be going through post tramatic stress disorder.
Do you know how to surf the web?Why do you question everything everyone posts?I don't care if he had PTST or herpes,he is an idiot. Allthe stories about Marines bringing Iraqi dogs home and then this fruitcake?The Marines are pissed!It's just this one idiot. there's no free Dave Mortari fans. but this is always what aimal abusers say. what does this make you. Are you toting some guilt about something that happened to animals?You said you used to have cats. Where are they now?I can't really believe you're that into Vick.
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#12 Mar 8, 2008
myconju wrote:
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Point us to that site? However, I must tell you, if there is a choice between the puppy and the soldier, I'd take the soldier. They go through alot. He was wrong and he will pay the price, but he could be going through post tramatic stress disorder.
I hope you find him. He just loves the Marines. Want to guess some people he hates along with dogs?You'll love us after he's through with you.
USA ROCKS

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#13 Mar 9, 2008
Lassie wrote:
All the answers are the same. Funny on the forum about the Marine and the puppy,a Marine(supporter)??is writing and saying the puppy was....are you ready?????He said the puppy was the enemy getting ready to blow their heads off!!!! And i am not trying to distract here,just making the point that the dogs DIE,the dogs Suffer,and the people say it's not their fault.WTF????
I say we put the marine (no guns and no knives), Isenhour (no golf clubs), and Vick (no buckets, nooses, or electrical cables) all inside a 10 by 10 foot cage and tell them only one gets to come out. They could make a ton if they put this on Pay Per View. I'd pay $49.99 to watch it.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#14 Mar 9, 2008
myconju wrote:
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Point us to that site? However, I must tell you, if there is a choice between the puppy and the soldier, I'd take the soldier. They go through alot. He was wrong and he will pay the price, but he could be going through post tramatic stress disorder.
Nobody is choosing between animals and humans. The point is that people need to ACT like humans.
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#15 Mar 9, 2008
My problem with all of this is:
They hurt animals.
They acted on their own.They weren't representing the Marines, thier race,PGA.
The people who choose to make excuses for ALL of them don't seem to know the frikkin difference!!!
WHY????
There were several stories lately about the Marines being kind to animals and bringing some home. They were all over the newspaper(AJC). But there always seems to be these people who come out of nowhere with this crap. And it's not new. I spent most of my childhood arguing the value of kindness to animals and vegetarianism.And growing up around all those country people,I had my share of arguments,believe me.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#16 Mar 9, 2008
Michael Vick’s Rub - Sorry He Got Caught, But Dead Dogs Can’t Grow Up
Posted by Kyle Design - Designs by Kyle on August 28, 2007

Football quarterback Michael Vick pleaded guilty to a federal dog-fighting charge yesterday and apologized to all those to whom he lied by saying,”I was not honest and truthful in our discussions.” These included his Atlanta Falcons teammates, coach Bobby Petrino, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Falcons owner Arthur Blank. He further apologized to “all the young kids out there for my immature acts.” He then stated that “I need to grow up.”

I have two issues with this. First, he didn’t apologize for the cruelty he inflicted on the animals or comment on the sadistic treatment the dogs received. Apparently, that is not what he had a problem with. One gets the feeling that he is only sorry that he got caught. Maybe he needs a Dog Light Switch Plate to help that light bulb in his head to go off that there is a bigger issue here.

Secondly, what exactly was he referring to when addressed the kids? What specifically does he consider his “immature acts”? Just lying?(Hey kids, don’t lie and get caught like I did, OK?) What a role model. Was one of the “immature acts” just keeping Bad Newz Kennels running for six years? Holding the fights on his Surry County, Virginia property? Immature is certainly not the word I would have chosen.

Casually tossing off the comment that he needs to grow up, without any compassion for or mention of the poor dogs that will never have a chance to grow old, still shows the Vick has a very, very long way to go in his quest for maturity.

The only bit of karma in this is that his sadistic hobby is now going to cost him well over $100 million in lost pay and endorsements. Oh, those expensive hobbies the rich have. Hope it was worth it.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#17 Mar 9, 2008
Part I

Michael Vick Is Very Sorry... That He Got Caught.
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by AngeHamm

I want to believe Michael Vick is remorseful. I really do.
I want to believe that he's seen the error of his ways, that he realizes how inhumanly cruel dogfighting is, that he recognizes why it's so dangerous for professional athletes to be caught up in any kind of gambling.

But I just don't. I don't believe him. Not yet. Michael Vick has a long way to go before he convinces me he's learned a damn thing from this experience other than "Being caught in criminal activities is unpleasant."

I will acknowledge being somewhat impressed that Michael Vick spoke without reading a prepared statement or using any kind of notes. That was good, that was classy. But I question the sincerity of a man who feels the need to inform you that he's going to speak from his heart before he speaks from his heart. I question the sincerity of a man who declares that he is changing his ways only after facing jail time and the loss of over 100 million dollars, especially when the ways he is changing involve a half-decade of calculated and repeated ultra-cruelty and the funding and organization of an interstate gambling ring. I question a man's new-found desire to live within the law when he was pulled over in Virginia last week for driving a vehicle with illegally tinted windows and was further cited for not wearing his seat belt.

What troubles me most is that when he claims to have found Jesus and turned his life over to God because of this tribulation, I can't bring myself to believe him. I'm a born-again Christian myself, a one-time youth minister and current music minister, and I can't find it in my heart to believe that Vick is doing anything but pulling out the religion card to try to appeal to another group of potential supporters. Emmitt Smith could believe it; one of his strongest comments on ESPN last night was support for Vick's spiritual breakthrough. But I just can't find a way to view it that isn't cynical as hell. So now I'm ashamed of myself as well for not being able to have enough mercy to believe in a man's conversion.

One of the most common complaints we've been hearing recently is that Vick wouldn't have been vilified this completely if he had killed a person. Well, I think that's probably true, and I have to tell you, I have no problem with that. Murder can be seen as a crime of passion, a horrible choice made in a single moment of extreme emotion; even premeditated killing is an action encompassing a small piece of time. Vick's dogfighting operations involved repeated acts of knowing cruelty, over and over and over, year in and year out; fights and rape stands and hangings and drownings and electrocutions; planned, scheduled, well-attended, and in view of an appreciative audience of like-minded abusers. Dogfighting involves taking advantage of beings who can't say "No, please don't do that to me." It requires taking animals designed to serve and accompany humans and other dogs and programming them to think of nothing but violence and fear. It's an unspeakable cruelty more comparable to serial child molestation than anything else. If you're not a "dog lover," if you "don't get" why this is such a big deal, that's okay. Federal and State laws get it for you. I don't believe that a dog's life is as valuable as a human's, but I believe that the utter cruelty needed to assign no value whatsoever to any kind of life is among the most reprehensible things on the planet. And I believe it deserves punishment at least as severe as what Michael Vick is facing.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#18 Mar 9, 2008
Part II
But in all honesty, that's mainly just the splashy headline here. The unforgivable crime here isn't the dogs, it's the gambling. Gambling of any kind is expressly prohibited in every NFL Players' Association contract, and is punishable up to a lifetime ban. Athletes whose actions on the field affect billions of dollars in legal gambling activities can't possibly put themselves in a position where they might have gambling debts that might be called in by organized crime. You simply Can. Not. Gamble. as an NFL player. It's the deadliest of deadly sins. And it's in his contract, clearly spelled out in black and white.
Vick's plea deal stops short of saying "I personally killed dogs" and "I gambled on dogfighting," couching his confession by stating that dog execution was a collective effort, and ludicrously claiming that Vick never accepted money when he won bets. If anyone believes that, I've got a bridge to sell you. By pleading to lower and vaguer charges, Vick is trying to keep the door open for a comeback. Some knuckleheads (like Dr. R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP) are going to take his "confession" as gospel truth, defending Vick with the understanding that he didn't confess to personally doing the gambling or the killing. He was just there, part of the crowd, when it all "happened." Uh huh. And Barry Bonds has never tested positive for steroids.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#19 Mar 9, 2008
Part III

Despite the fact that he remains, for now, on the books as an Atlanta Falcon, Michael Vick is no longer listed in ESPN's searchable database of active NFL players. Seriously, check it out. There's a way to view this almost as an Aristotelian Greek tragedy, with the mighty hero laid low from a great height by his own failings and hubris. But in tragedy, while you may sympathize with Oedipus, Agamemnon, or Medea, you always recognize that the final consequences of the story are the result of the tragic hero's actions. Michael Vick is no different. Yes, I feel bad for his fall, potentially the greatest in sports history. But he made this bed himself. The media didn't do it, PETA didn't do it, and the Bad Newz boys who turned on him didn't do it. He did it.

I taught high school drama last year, and we were studying the character of Edmund from King Lear. Edmund is one of Shakespeare's greatest villains because he's a pure Machiavellian; no crime is too bad as long as he can get away with it. I had my students write on and discuss the topic "The rules don't apply to me," and I was appalled at the number of teenagers who genuinely believe that they can do anything they want to as long as they don't get caught. Skipping class, cheating on tests, plagiarism, lying to their parents; for a small but significant handful of my students all of these and more were daily behaviors with no internal consequences. Morals were purely an external matter of cause and effect. As long as they got away with it, any activity was okay. I found this to be one of the most disturbing days of my entire life. I'm still not sure whether to admire these students' honesty or fear their arrogance.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#20 Mar 9, 2008
Part IV

Throughout this whole soap opera, Vick has reminded me of these students. He's not alone; we seem to be living in a national culture of "it's not bad if I get away with it," from sports figures to entertainers to politicians. If Michael Vick hadn't been indicted, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't still be involved in dogfighting and gambling today. To a certain degree, I acknowledge that this is natural, a part of human nature. And it's part of the job of a legal system in society; it's the stern father who spanks you and sends you to your room for doing wrong, hoping that the negative reinforcement will keep you from hurting anyone else--or yourself--again.

But let's hold up before we start talking about how impressed we are by Michael Vick's public apology. Almost anyone would apologize with their feet as close to the fire as Vick's are. He has got a very long way to go before I'll believe he's sorry for anything other than having gotten caught.

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