Bill Belichick's trade of Vrabel, Cas...

Bill Belichick's trade of Vrabel, Cassel was all dollars and no...

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MarkOrlando

United States

#1 Mar 2, 2009
I agree with the commentary, but there has got to be more to this situation than currently reported. Maybe Belichick is planning to use the big salary money he is saving to aquire new talent? Wait and see.
agreed

Clinton, MA

#2 Mar 2, 2009
I agree with the deal 100%. First of all, BB was doing SP a favor by pulling the trade.
Cassel is good, not great. One season doesn't make a guy.. see "Tony Romo"

Vrabel...on the decline. Our defense is old enough. I belive he was a free agent after this year. What would we get then? Nothing. They could even cut him in the preseason.

We now have something like 4 picks in the first two rounds and gobs of money in the cap to spend.

DON'T FEAR CHANGE!
Frank

Lowell, MA

#3 Mar 2, 2009
The Pats need money to sign Vince, Seymour, etc. Vrabel was on the back 9 and with Guyton and Crabel back they will be ok. Vrabel was a good player, great at times and they would have had to cut him, so throw him in the deal and send him to Pioli.
Cassel had the luxury of throwing to Moss and Welker and playing behind a vet offensive line, things are going to be a lot tougher in KC.
bellichek

Kirksville, MO

#4 Mar 2, 2009
seriously? There are a ridiculous amount of flaws skewed into this argument. First off your comment suggesting that the trade was for Vrabel and not for Cassel shows a gross amount of either stupidity or journalistic irresponsibility. Anybody that has kept up with football even remotely knows that one of the Chiefs biggest needs is qb and their not about to trade a valuable second round pick for a lb that is way past his prime. Your argument that Vrabel is worth a second round pick and more is beyond fathomable. I really wonder how you have a job. In case you didn't know there are only 32 first round draft picks. The chiefs second round pick is the 34th overall. While it is technically still a second round pick it is still close enough that whoever has it will be able to pick up first round talent, hardly a munchkin size pick. I can't think of any self respecting analyst who would argue that an aging linebacker is worth a low first round pick (You can split hairs if you want but its only a couple of picks from the bottom of the first round). I feel like these are elementary rules of football. Now if the focus of this argument was on the Cassel trade and how Vrabel got thrown in I could you humor you, but you seem to have the two mixed up. I am at a loss as to what variables you put into the equation that made it so the Mike Vrable is not only equal to but greater than a low first rounder. Do you know what second round picks can do for a team vs. old linebackers? Apparently not so let me shine some light on the situation. A second round player, especially one as high as the chiefs pick, is able to contribute quickly (within the first couple of seasons), and will be able to perform at a high level becoming a staple of the offense or defense for probably at least the next decade. While Vrabel brings experience he's on the back end of the slope and his speed and power will continue to decrease. Likely looking at about 2 years more of playing time. Vrabel also is established in his play style and with only a couple of years left won't be able to adjust very from his comfort zone. A young player will be able to develop in whatever scheme he gets drafted into. So, like i said the idea is ridiculous. Why trade a player with the potential to get better and contribute at a high level for the next decade for a player with no potential to get better and who will only decrease in talent for the few (maybe 3) years that he has left. I should seriously be surprised if you are not removed from your post or at least transferred to obituaries. next the idea that the Pat's didn't get something out of this trade further evidences your irresponsibility and my headache. In case you didn't know, and I'm inclined to think this is the case, after the trade the Pats now have 4 of the top 58 draft picks. Looking at the situation in terms of cap-room, doesn't it make way more sense to trade two high-paid players with little possibility of contribution and free up the cap room, for 4 young players with less pay and more potential? I mean....Seriously?
ONG

Bedford, MA

#5 Mar 2, 2009
Its also a good way to get back at Denver for taking jabs at NE.
ken

AOL

#7 Mar 2, 2009
-how dare you question the great bb? and have negative coments about his decision making.Belichick for president!!!!!!!
Lowell Dunce

Tewksbury, MA

#8 Mar 3, 2009
How does this guy have a job writing about sports when he is as clueless as Chris Mortenson. The Pats will win the Superbowl next year and have a top five defense.

Since: Feb 08

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#9 Mar 3, 2009
bellichek wrote:
seriously? There are a ridiculous amount of flaws skewed into this argument. First off your comment suggesting that the trade was for Vrabel and not for Cassel shows a gross amount of either stupidity or journalistic irresponsibility. Anybody that has kept up with football even remotely knows that one of the Chiefs biggest needs is qb and their not about to trade a valuable second round pick for a lb that is way past his prime. Your argument that Vrabel is worth a second round pick and more is beyond fathomable. I really wonder how you have a job. In case you didn't know there are only 32 first round draft picks. The chiefs second round pick is the 34th overall. While it is technically still a second round pick it is still close enough that whoever has it will be able to pick up first round talent, hardly a munchkin size pick. I can't think of any self respecting analyst who would argue that an aging linebacker is worth a low first round pick (You can split hairs if you want but its only a couple of picks from the bottom of the first round). I feel like these are elementary rules of football. Now if the focus of this argument was on the Cassel trade and how Vrabel got thrown in I could you humor you, but you seem to have the two mixed up. I am at a loss as to what variables you put into the equation that made it so the Mike Vrable is not only equal to but greater than a low first rounder. Do you know what second round picks can do for a team vs. old linebackers? Apparently not so let me shine some light on the situation. A second round player, especially one as high as the chiefs pick, is able to contribute quickly (within the first couple of seasons), and will be able to perform at a high level becoming a staple of the offense or defense for probably at least the next decade. While Vrabel brings experience he's on the back end of the **** and his speed and power will continue to decrease. Likely looking at about 2 years more of playing time. Vrabel also is established in his play style and with only a couple of years left won't be able to adjust very from his comfort zone. A young player will be able to develop in whatever scheme he gets drafted into. So, like i said the idea is ridiculous. Why trade a player with the potential to get better and contribute at a high level for the next decade for a player with no potential to get better and who will only decrease in talent for the few (maybe 3) years that he has left. I should seriously be surprised if you are not removed from your post or at least transferred to obituaries. next the idea that the Pat's didn't get something out of this trade further evidences your irresponsibility and my headache. In case you didn't know, and I'm inclined to think this is the case, after the trade the Pats now have 4 of the top 58 draft picks. Looking at the situation in terms of cap-room, doesn't it make way more sense to trade two high-paid players with little possibility of contribution and free up the cap room, for 4 young players with less pay and more potential? I mean....Seriously?
First of all.....SHUT your pie hole!
No need to type this ridiculously large comment!
Second of all.....
Nobody should or will take you seriously!
Why?
You can't even spell Belichick's name correctly!
Typical Pat's fan....all mouth no brains!
When they find a cure for stupid......make sure your first in line!
Lowell Dunce

Tewksbury, MA

#10 Mar 3, 2009
Truth-Speaker wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all.....SHUT your pie hole!
No need to type this ridiculously large comment!
Second of all.....
Nobody should or will take you seriously!
Why?
You can't even spell Belichick's name correctly!
Typical Pat's fan....all mouth no brains!
When they find a cure for stupid......make sure your first in line!

Obviously a disgruntled Raider fan.
HaHa

Lowell, MA

#11 Mar 3, 2009
Seriously, all the coverage of what the Patriots did or didn't recieve for Cassel and Vrabel is ridiculous. I don't worry about a thing Belichick has done, seeing how his track record is pretty good with evaluating talent. How many superbowls did we have before he came here? Now how many do we have? Anyone who doubts Belichicks moves is obviously not a true Patriots fan. The guy knows how to draft, and judge talent. All while staying under the salary cap.
thats it

Kirksville, MO

#12 Mar 3, 2009
Lowell Dunce wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously a disgruntled Raider fan.
thats it? from the entire argument, your only counter is that the name was spelled wrong. Well my friend I believe your employing what is referred to as an ad hominim; a logical fallacy. All mouth and no brains, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Since: Oct 08

Billerica

#13 Mar 3, 2009
You cant be that stupid to believe this trade was for really for an aging former..key word...former (2007) pro-bowl linebacker!!!...who was 24 hours away from being released...just like what was his name? Lawyor something??? who's career was over when he left Foxboro. Ditto Mr. Vrabel. Mike gave us some great years but time has passed him by at 4.4 million cap money, Mr. Bill has always been smart enough to pay player for what they are going to do not what they use to do...thank god. AKA NY Jets/ Mr. Brett....and so many more teams.
Good work bill....get them out of town while u can get the most for them and not miss out of free agent talent waiting for some other team to decide if they want to make the trade.
Martial Arts

Pompano Beach, FL

#14 Mar 3, 2009
Truth-Speaker wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all.....SHUT your pie hole!
No need to type this ridiculously large comment!
Second of all.....
Nobody should or will take you seriously!
Why?
You can't even spell Belichick's name correctly!
Typical Pat's fan....all mouth no brains!
When they find a cure for stupid......make sure your first in line!
You are a tool..
Ken

Hudson, NH

#15 Mar 3, 2009
Martial Arts wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a tool..
This is weak, add something about his mother.

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