Ruling in Gagne incident is homicide,...

Ruling in Gagne incident is homicide, but family of man who die...

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anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Feb 26, 2009
It was a tragic accident and nothing more.
Virgil Flowers

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Feb 26, 2009
anonymous wrote:
It was a tragic accident and nothing more.
A tragedy: Yes. An accident: hardly.
An accident would have been if these two had bumped into each other, and Mr.Gutmann fell.
Not the notoriety of those involved, or the emotionally charged circumstances change the facts.
Nor will glossing over the reality of the situation.
Frank N Stein

Glenview, IL

#3 Feb 26, 2009
I wonder what the Crusher would have to
say about all this.........
human too

United States

#6 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
I would put the death penalty on him. I am sick of coddeling killers.
I too am sick of coddling killers, but according to reliable reports, Mr. Gagne was in the nursing home because he is in the final stages of Alzheimer's Disease. It has been reported that his short-term memory is in the range of one minute. We will probably never know what was transpiring in his mind at that time (perhaps he truly thought he was in the ring?), and it is likely he himself didn't even remember the incident a minute or two later.

If true, this also means that he would be utterly incapable of understanding the charges against him (or even why he is being charged), and he would be utterly unable to participate in his own defense. Both standards must be met in order for a defendent to be declared competent to stand trial.

And even if he were convicted, what then? Confinement to a hospital? He's already confined. Mr. Gagne hasn't "gotten away with murder"-- he doesn't even realize he's killed someone. The Gutmann family realizes this (God bless them and comfort them in their grief), and I think we should follow their example.
Jesse Ventura

United States

#7 Feb 26, 2009
Verne Gange should be lock up if I was still governor
Cold in - Minnesota

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Feb 26, 2009
What's sadder is that this had to be in the paper. It's tragic and it didn't need to be an object of curiousity.
Money For Attorneys

Eau Claire, WI

#9 Feb 26, 2009
human too wrote:
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I too am sick of coddling killers, but according to reliable reports, Mr. Gagne was in the nursing home because he is in the final stages of Alzheimer's Disease. It has been reported that his short-term memory is in the range of one minute. We will probably never know what was transpiring in his mind at that time (perhaps he truly thought he was in the ring?), and it is likely he himself didn't even remember the incident a minute or two later.
If true, this also means that he would be utterly incapable of understanding the charges against him (or even why he is being charged), and he would be utterly unable to participate in his own defense. Both standards must be met in order for a defendent to be declared competent to stand trial.
And even if he were convicted, what then? Confinement to a hospital? He's already confined. Mr. Gagne hasn't "gotten away with murder"-- he doesn't even realize he's killed someone. The Gutmann family realizes this (God bless them and comfort them in their grief), and I think we should follow their example.
You are missing the point!! Even though Mr. Gagne is in the last stages of Alzheimer's disease and would/could not be legally responsible for his actions it dosen't matter. Just think about all the money that could be stolen from his family by the attorneys that would have to be hired to defend him. GOOGLE "Litigation Vortex" to see how this will be a great bonansa for the justice system and the attorneys and bankruptcy and additional grief for both families involved.
i think

Circle Pines, MN

#10 Feb 26, 2009
Ruth Hennig & family, you are blessed & wise people!
thank you for being an example to the rest of us how not to exploit the system & not add insult to injury to the Gange family members!

i respect you immensely for showing such integrity and for bearing the brunt of your tragedy. you are my hero's!

God richly reward you for your testimony & may your dear father rest in peace!

NNJ

Since: Dec 08

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
I would put the death penalty on him. I am sick of coddeling killers.
You are ridiculous. I hope someday you have to see first hand what happens to those with Alzheimers. I assure you if you (and this goes for anyone else who feels that this man should be charged with homicide)ever have a loved one with this horrid disease you would change your mind. Yours and other peoples comments that are similar show ignorance. I suggest you volunteer at your local nursing home behavior/dementia unit to all get a first hand account of what people and their families who have alzheimers have to deal with, because anyone who has seen how this disease affects people would never write such an outrageous comment.
Kevin Kravik

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Feb 26, 2009
NNJ wrote:
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You are ridiculous. I hope someday you have to see first hand what happens to those with Alzheimers. I assure you if you (and this goes for anyone else who feels that this man should be charged with homicide)ever have a loved one with this horrid disease you would change your mind. Yours and other peoples comments that are similar show ignorance. I suggest you volunteer at your local nursing home behavior/dementia unit to all get a first hand account of what people and their families who have alzheimers have to deal with, because anyone who has seen how this disease affects people would never write such an outrageous comment.
I dont need to work with crazy people to know that murdering people is wrong.

NNJ

Since: Dec 08

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
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I dont need to work with crazy people to know that murdering people is wrong.

I agree with you that murder is wrong, but saying this man needs to be put to death is outrageous. It's unfortunate that this happened, for both families. However, someone who has end stage alzheimers can be living with the cognitive ability of a 4 year old. Do we put a child to death if they get into their parents gun cabinet and shoot someone? No, because they don't understand what they did was wrong. Exactly the same thing with alzheimers. Again, if you knew anything about the disease we wouldn't be having this debate. While what Gagne did was wrong, and unfortunate that someone died as a result of his actions, the man didn't intend to kill him.
Franklin Adams

Fargo, ND

#15 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
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I dont need to work with crazy people to know that murdering people is wrong.
What goes around comes around Kevin. Probably sooner than you would expect. Hopefully as one of your loved ones suffers from this terrible debilitating disease, you will remember how funny you thought you were today. Ha ha.
Virgil Flowers

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
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I dont need to work with crazy people to know that murdering people is wrong.
Please cite where anyone other than you used the term 'murder'.
Kevin Kravik

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Feb 26, 2009
Virgil Flowers wrote:
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Please cite where anyone other than you used the term 'murder'.
Look at the headline. "Homicide" That is murder.
Del Capslock

Cresco, IA

#18 Feb 26, 2009
I've never heard of a body slam in a nursing home before.

Now you not only have to worry about twisted teen aides, but also aged pro wrestlers.

NNJ

Since: Dec 08

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
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Look at the headline. "Homicide" That is murder.
Actually...
""Homicide" is a medical term describing the killing of one human by another, and the coroner's finding doesn't mean Gagne, 82, will face prosecution."

So I guess it doesn't mean murder since the definition of murder is..

"Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)."

So there goes your argument!
Virgil Flowers

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Feb 26, 2009
Kevin Kravik wrote:
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Look at the headline. "Homicide" That is murder.
Thanks for clearing something up.
Not the definitions,about which you are thoroughly wrong , but it's now clear as to your level of ignorance with the English language
P T Bull

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Feb 26, 2009
Cold in - Minnesota wrote:
What's sadder is that this had to be in the paper. It's tragic and it didn't need to be an object of curiousity.

The media is over-exposing this non-story. Making money from human tragedy is their mission, though.
P T Bull

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Feb 26, 2009
Virgil Flowers wrote:
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Thanks for clearing something up.
Not the definitions,about which you are thoroughly wrong , but it's now clear as to your level of ignorance with the English language

Agreed. I explained it all including statutes in yesterday's article.
satmfs

Clear Lake, MN

#23 Feb 26, 2009
""Homicide" is a medical term describing the killing of one human by another, and the coroner's finding doesn't mean Gagne, 82, will face prosecution."

I don't remember "Homicide" being in any medical terminology book I ever studied. It's a legal term, not a medical term. Just more poorly researched PP sensationalism.

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