Flacco takes blame

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Dan eastern shore

United States

#1 Oct 6, 2008
Joe just has to remember he's not at Del. anynore out on the playing field when he's scrambling,that's all.I wish the routes were more syncronized to make it easier for him but hey,if a reciever gets jammed at the line there goes that philosophy.Now other teams will be flushing Joe out of the pocket with a vengence;I'm sure his reputation will grow to be a pocket qb only.
RavensFaninNY

Edmonton, Canada

#2 Oct 6, 2008
I don't think you can put the loss squarely on Joe's shoulders. We all have to remember that he is a rookie and that he needs to learn and he has. Every game I see an improvement. For example the problem against the Steelers was that he was only throwing to Mason, but this game he did a great job of getting the ball to mulitple recievers. I am sure this week he will work on improving his roll-out procedures.
Anti Gary

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3 Oct 6, 2008
The Ravens should have brought in a veteran quarterback to mentor this kid. There is no way thay he should be starting in the NFL. It is the little things that he needs to learn that will help him become successful. Someone in the organization needs to man up and let the fans know that this is a rebuilding year. A year where another good defense will be waisted. Good managers of NFL teams know the Ravens will be competitive with their defense, however thay also know that the Ravens will not beat good teams with Joe Flacco playing quarterback.
Another glaring problem that teams will expose is the defensive secondary. If Rolle and C-Mac are injured, thhe season is a wash. The Ravens back ups are not of high quality. There were a number of times yesterday that the Titan receivers had Walker beaten, but for whatever reason the passes were incomplete.
So why won't management stand up and be truthful. Tell the fans that realistically the Ravens are not a playoff caliber team. That way no one expects more that the truth. Also, pay Ray his money. His impact is more on the defense than any other player. His skills are still there. Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs are not as near important as Ray. Suggs is close, but Scott is average. Ray has a good 2 to 3 years left. Stover must go. Too many deficiencies on this team for playoff hopes.Be honest management. That's you Ozzie!
Christopher

United States

#4 Oct 6, 2008
Anti Gary wrote:
The Ravens should have brought in a veteran quarterback to mentor this kid. There is no way thay he should be starting in the NFL. It is the little things that he needs to learn that will help him become successful. Someone in the organization needs to man up and let the fans know that this is a rebuilding year. A year where another good defense will be waisted. Good managers of NFL teams know the Ravens will be competitive with their defense, however thay also know that the Ravens will not beat good teams with Joe Flacco playing quarterback.
Another glaring problem that teams will expose is the defensive secondary. If Rolle and C-Mac are injured, thhe season is a wash. The Ravens back ups are not of high quality. There were a number of times yesterday that the Titan receivers had Walker beaten, but for whatever reason the passes were incomplete.
So why won't management stand up and be truthful. Tell the fans that realistically the Ravens are not a playoff caliber team. That way no one expects more that the truth. Also, pay Ray his money. His impact is more on the defense than any other player. His skills are still there. Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs are not as near important as Ray. Suggs is close, but Scott is average. Ray has a good 2 to 3 years left. Stover must go. Too many deficiencies on this team for playoff hopes.Be honest management. That's you Ozzie!
God, I love it when the negative morons like yourself come out of the woodwork anytime the Ravens lose. So, you want Ozzie to come out and say that this team is not playoff-caliber and we're rebuilding? That's some high level idiocy right there. What kind of message would that send to the players? The fans certainly aren't going to like hearing that either.

The facts are this: the Ravens have lost by a total of 6 points to teams that are a combined 9-1. And both of those games could have easily gone either way. In the end, these losses really hurt. The Ravens are probably a 7-9 win team given the rough schedule ahead. However, there is no reason to send Flacco to the bench or to do anything else drastic. Some additional secondary depth would be appreciated right now, but that's about the only thing I'd be worried about right now. Give Stover a few more weeks, I think he's earned that.
Kevin

Arlington, VA

#5 Oct 6, 2008
I agree with everything but the comment on Stover. he has to go. Every other team in the league can go out there an attempt a 50 yard field goal but us. We should not have to punt when we are on the 33 yard line. He has been great for us and can still nail it within 40, but we need someone with the game on the line to hit something outside of 45 yards.
Dubby

Washington, DC

#7 Oct 6, 2008
The good news is that Flacco was able to avoid the rush and the sack. He's more mobile than some of us thought. Most of all, I still like his pocket presence. Now let's see if he learns from his mistakes. I think he will.
Dan eastern shore

United States

#8 Oct 6, 2008
I love Matt but how many kickoffs has he put in the endzone over the years?That has always bothered me some.Otherwise,I have'nt lost faith in him on field goals.An offense should be playing for 6 pts. anyway;3pts. used to be BB's style of play.
Johnson

Attleboro, MA

#9 Oct 6, 2008
People he's a rookie qb that just went against the 2 best defenses in the leage not named the Ravens. Also, our receivers are not very good. Clayton has become a "poor-man's" Derrick Mason and D-Williams is a no-show. The Ravens could be one of those teams that start kind of slow, take some tough early losses, and then start rolling when everything comes together later in the year.
Jon

Washington, DC

#10 Oct 6, 2008
Joe is fine and will be fine. He's a rookie and will take a step backward once in a while. Honestly, either the play calling took a step back this week, or the execution by everybody did. It was more often than not I didn't see a whole lot of options for Flacco. However, when he had time he hit receivers he should - for crying out loud he completed 12 straight passes. He made a few mistakes and I know that he will correct them. Write it down - Flacco will go over 200 yards this week against a pitiful Colts D.
Jon

Washington, DC

#11 Oct 6, 2008
I'm convinced Baltimore has the stupidest fan base around. We have a team that *should* be undefeated - even with Flacco's two interceptions yesterday - there is no way you can convince me Ed Carollo or any other REF was trying to stop the play. No need to even debate the ridiculousness of the Suggs penalty. and last week, place the loss squarely on the shoulders of John Harbough - that game in that environment there should have been a challenge on Mason's catch - no questions asked. It was the first half where timeouts aren't nearly as important and you could risk losing one on the challenge - I don't care if you didn't see the play real well or not.
GHT

Portland, OR

#12 Oct 6, 2008
yes, I think we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. We had that game won but is it me, or does it feel like the Ravens D is absolutely incredible but melts down at the end of the game, seemingly helpless to stop the inevitable? I've seen this over and over for years. We need to have more than a 2 score lead when the other team takes posession in the final minute. Simple as that and easier said than done, I know. I am just frustrated - we had that game yesterday
dyno don

United States

#13 Oct 6, 2008
He's a rookie.
His O line is still coming together.
He has no deep threat.
RavenKen

Fallston, MD

#14 Oct 6, 2008
This was the first game that I did not see improvement from Flacco. It could have been from the plays being called but Flacco looked reserved and was not comfortable with anticipating the open receiver. A QB can wait for someone to get open. They have to anticipate them being open. Sometimes he does it but it is obvious he is not comfortable going down the middle doing so. A deep threat would be nice. What would you give up to get Williams from Detroit?

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#15 Oct 6, 2008
If that was Kyle Boller the pitchforks and torches would be out. Apparently Flacco can't recognize where bright blue jerseys are.

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#16 Oct 6, 2008
Anti Gary-

Can you please give me one valid reason why this is a rebuilding year?

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#17 Oct 6, 2008
dyno don wrote:
He's a rookie.
His O line is still coming together.
He has no deep threat.
Boller never had a deep threat. Boller never had consistently good o-line play. I am not defending Boller by any stretch of the imagination, I am just pointing out the general double standard that goes on.
Anti Gary

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#18 Oct 6, 2008
Christopher wrote:
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God, I love it when the negative morons like yourself come out of the woodwork anytime the Ravens lose. So, you want Ozzie to come out and say that this team is not playoff-caliber and we're rebuilding? That's some high level idiocy right there. What kind of message would that send to the players? The fans certainly aren't going to like hearing that either.
The facts are this: the Ravens have lost by a total of 6 points to teams that are a combined 9-1. And both of those games could have easily gone either way. In the end, these losses really hurt. The Ravens are probably a 7-9 win team given the rough schedule ahead. However, there is no reason to send Flacco to the bench or to do anything else drastic. Some additional secondary depth would be appreciated right now, but that's about the only thing I'd be worried about right now. Give Stover a few more weeks, I think he's earned that.
You are an idiot. Negative? Is 7-9 going to make the playoffs. Listen dumb ass, do you really think these guys trulybelieve they can win with Flacco as the starting QB? As for Stover, he's finished. Another one that should have left with Billick. I bet you still wanted Billick here. Keep yor hopes up stupid ass. It's a rebuilding year!
Anti Gary

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#19 Oct 6, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
Anti Gary-
Can you please give me one valid reason why this is a rebuilding year?
Because they will not win "big games" with Flacco at quarterback. You need an experienced quarterback to win in this league. This is not Delaware!
GHT

Portland, OR

#20 Oct 6, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
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Boller never had a deep threat. Boller never had consistently good o-line play. I am not defending Boller by any stretch of the imagination, I am just pointing out the general double standard that goes on.
Boller doesn't even enter the conversation. Stop talking about him. Flacco wil get his in due time, trust me, Baltimore is an equal opportunity sport player bi%%tching machine.
freddie

Myrtle Beach, SC

#21 Oct 6, 2008
Back away from the cliff Ravens fans. It's game 4 for God's sake. We have a rookie QB and a rookie head coach making rookie mistakes. Now if we have these same mistakes in 5 years (like KB & BB) we'll have a problem. In the meantime there's a lot to be excited about. Flacco needs to adjust to being in the bigs, but I like him. Yes he makes mistakes but he doesn't panic. I don't expect him to make the same mistakes throughout his career. Pre-season who thought the lines would perform as exceptional as they have? And the D playnig like they actually give a damn. Don't jump!

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