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Coast Guard's 3-day search for 2 NFL players, 3rd man lost off Fla. coast ends

There are 78 comments on the Port Clinton News Herald story from Mar 4, 2009, titled Coast Guard's 3-day search for 2 NFL players, 3rd man lost off Fla. coast ends. In it, Port Clinton News Herald reports that:

The Coast Guard's three-day search for two NFL players and a third man sent adrift in chilly seas ended in futility, dashing hopes they might be found after rescuers plucked one survivor from the Gulf of ...

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fed up with the mess

United States

#65 Mar 5, 2009
hick-up wrote:
31 miles offshore in that vessel was not a big deal. They just went the wrong day. I suspect what got got them killed was testosterone ...and maybe some beer ...a lack of seamanship, navigation skills, basic understanding of weather, etc. They didn't know there surroundings, they didn't give credit to the environment they were entering ...and paid with their lives. The boat didn't kill 'em ...a lack of common sence did!
I think you are correct. Its sad to say though.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#66 Mar 5, 2009
GatorBUILT wrote:
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No I didn't see the boat...but, if the boat was anchored and it was a shallow V-hull, I'd surmise that they lost battery power or gas(drunken fun-loving folks do it far too many times, innocently) and then got into bad weather and made the mistake of thinking that being anchored is better than drifting...regardelss, I think that everyone should realize that lifevests are called LIFEvests for a reason...personally, I wear a water ski vest, as they are far better desigend to keep someone's head upright and out of the water, and are comfy enough to be worn all day long...Just my two cents...only the survivior will know what happened, and those of us whom have been there, done that, will know it is one of many common situations that should be planned for when boating....Killian Cougar, says HEY back atcha...my sister went to Palmetto..ah, SOuth Dade, where have you gone, eh?!? Safe boating atcha
BTW: I wasn't disagreeing with your post, just throwing my conspiracy theories out there...we've all had to paddle a beast back to shore or call the Coast Guard for a tow, or am I the only idiot who let their girlfriend 'man' the helm when I was overboard spearfishing?!?
No worry's mate ...good posts.

It is my understanding the CG doesn't make rescue anymore unless a life saving operation ...which this was. I understand the CG will notify Sea Tow or Boat US for a simple tow, deliver fuel, jumpstart, etc. I belong to Sea Tow ...$149 yr, as often as needed, up to 50 miles out.
http://www.seatow.com/about/locations.asp

I used them when the lower unit give out ...no charge. Towed me to the nearest safe dock and give me a ride 25 miles to get my trailer/pick-up.

I belong to the Indian River Power Squadron. Folks just don't understand ...it don't make one a sissy ...it provides someone to leave a float plan with, free charts, remedial classes ...navigation, weather, etc. Bargins on things like PFD's, etc.

I think it's wise to let your girlfriend get experienced & accustomed to your boat ...might need her if something happened. Chicks are sharp.

Keep a tight line dude ...arrr!
kristen

Decatur, TX

#67 Mar 5, 2009
we have a black president and he doesnt wanna find them???!! Seriously???
fed up with the mess

United States

#68 Mar 5, 2009
kristen wrote:
we have a black president and he doesnt wanna find them???!! Seriously???
Not his job.

“Ave Satanas”

Since: Dec 06

Bratislava, Slovakia

#69 Mar 5, 2009
fed up with the mess wrote:
<quoted text>Not his job.
Agreed but,he couldve made the search last longer than 3 days.Ive heard stories of people surviving for months at sea.
Unknown

Kerrville, TX

#70 Mar 5, 2009
triple6vamp wrote:
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Agreed but,he couldve made the search last longer than 3 days.Ive heard stories of people surviving for months at sea.
True, but the temperature of the water will drop your body temperature, eventually leading to death.

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#71 Mar 5, 2009
triple6vamp wrote:
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Agreed but,he couldve made the search last longer than 3 days.Ive heard stories of people surviving for months at sea.
The on scene Coast Guard commander would have made the call to stop the search.

The Commander has the final say, not the President, Not the Sec Def, no one else.
In matter's of SAR..

He based his decision on several things:

Time in water 3+ days

Temperature of water 68 degrees

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communiti...

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hypot...

Sea state 3 to 15 ft over the course of the incident.

Assets available to survivors; Water/food/clothing

The only places you can survive immersion over 3 days is in the South Pacific and Indian Ocean

Provided you are skilled at waterborne survival..
and can avoid the local fawna..

Look up USS Indianapolis...Graphic descriptions
of what happens when you are lost at sea for over a week in the South Pacific

“Ave Satanas”

Since: Dec 06

Bratislava, Slovakia

#72 Mar 5, 2009
Unknown wrote:
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True, but the temperature of the water will drop your body temperature, eventually leading to death.
Yes I suppose youre right,the lone survivor was very lucky.

“Ave Satanas”

Since: Dec 06

Bratislava, Slovakia

#73 Mar 5, 2009
Mad Dog USN wrote:
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The on scene Coast Guard commander would have made the call to stop the search.
The Commander has the final say, not the President, Not the Sec Def, no one else.
In matter's of SAR..
He based his decision on several things:
Time in water 3+ days
Temperature of water 68 degrees
http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communiti...
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hypot...
Sea state 3 to 15 ft over the course of the incident.
Assets available to survivors; Water/food/clothing
The only places you can survive immersion over 3 days is in the South Pacific and Indian Ocean
Provided you are skilled at waterborne survival..
and can avoid the local fawna..
Look up USS Indianapolis...Graphic descriptions
of what happens when you are lost at sea for over a week in the South Pacific
I did the search an this is amazing,

The sun finally did rise and it got warmed up again. Some of the guys been drinkin salt water by now, and they were goin bezerk. They'd tell you big stories about the Indianapolis is not sunk, its' just right there under the surface. I was just down there and had a drink of water out of the drinkin fountain and the Geedunk is still open. The geedunk bein the commissary where you buy ice cream, cigarettes, candy, what have you, "it's still open" they'd tell ya. "Come on we'll go get a drink of water", and then 3 or 4 guys would believe this story and go with them.
I didnt know drinking salt water will make you go insane,I drink some every now an then for sore throats...better stop =)

“Party Hardy”

Since: Oct 08

Indianapolis,IN

#74 Mar 5, 2009
DavidH64 wrote:
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OK let me repeat myself. I HAVE ZERO SYMPATHY FOR IDIOTS. They were idiots.
You my sir are complete embicile.
And let me make this clear,You have no right to call someone who lost there lives "idiots!"
Unknown

Kerrville, TX

#75 Mar 5, 2009
triple6vamp wrote:
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Yes I suppose youre right,the lone survivor was very lucky.
The survivor was lucky, but was he found in the summer? The temperature of the Gulf is very different in the summer than it is in the winter.

“oderint dum metuant”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#76 Mar 5, 2009
triple6vamp wrote:
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I did the search an this is amazing,
The sun finally did rise and it got warmed up again. Some of the guys been drinkin salt water by now, and they were goin bezerk. They'd tell you big stories about the Indianapolis is not sunk, its' just right there under the surface. I was just down there and had a drink of water out of the drinkin fountain and the Geedunk is still open. The geedunk bein the commissary where you buy ice cream, cigarettes, candy, what have you, "it's still open" they'd tell ya. "Come on we'll go get a drink of water", and then 3 or 4 guys would believe this story and go with them.
I didnt know drinking salt water will make you go insane,I drink some every now an then for sore throats...better stop =)
Drinking salt water for a sore throat is okay.

Drinking salt water when you are already dehydrated from exposure and or alcohol consumption is deadly.. Indy sailor's hadn't had
any alcohol..

Other books you may find interesting:
Last stand of the tin can sailors by James Hornfischer
Decent into Darkness by Edward Raymer
*A voice from the Main Deck
by Samuel Leech.
*Difficult to read, written in naval terminology

“Party Hardy”

Since: Oct 08

Indianapolis,IN

#77 Mar 5, 2009
kristen wrote:
we have a black president and he doesnt wanna find them???!! Seriously???
I think he has bigger things to worry about.
kristen

Decatur, TX

#78 Mar 6, 2009
savannah wwe raw wrote:
<quoted text>I think he has bigger things to worry about.
being president means worrying about the whole country not just one thing at a time

“Obamunism - Political Failure”

Since: Feb 08

Out here in the country

#79 Mar 6, 2009
Just my opinion, but I don't think this is the proper place to discuss politics. The topic here is both sad and happy. Three men have lost their lives. One was rescued thanks to the bravery and skill of the men and women of the Coast Guard. As far as I know decisions made by on scene Coast Guard Commanders was very good. Please... be sad for the families of the ones lost, be happy about the one rescued, debate the equipment, the judgement, accidents at sea and other things, but
don't make this into a partisan slap-fight.
hrevel

Santa Rosa, CA

#80 Mar 6, 2009
I created a memorial for Marquis. Please visit and leave a message, light a candle for him and his family.

http://www.ilasting.com/marquiscooper.php

“Ave Satanas”

Since: Dec 06

Bratislava, Slovakia

#81 Mar 6, 2009
hrevel wrote:
I created a memorial for Marquis. Please visit and leave a message, light a candle for him and his family.
http://www.ilasting.com/marquiscooper.php
That was a very nice thing you did,I have shown my respects an feel much better since doing so.

R.I.P
Joe in Chicago

Wayne, IL

#82 Mar 7, 2009
Hindsight creates the perception of 20/20 vision.
Hindsight makes us all experts on what went wrong.
But to those of you who criticize, have you never made a mistake ? Never been in a wreck ? Never slipped and fell or forget something important ?
I know Lake Michigan in Chicago, and cold water amplifies the danger greatly, 63 degree water > VERY cold after 15 or 20 minutes, so to be in that water for hours and being battered by waves would be horrifying and ANYONE would not stand much of a chance.
I have total sympathy for ALL of them and grieve WITH the families.

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