Offensive line tops list of Vikes' 0-1 concerns

Sep 12, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Star Tribune

Mark Craig has covered football and the NFL the past 20 years, including the Browns from 1991-95 and the Vikings and the NFL since 2003.

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Sep 12, 2011
 
This offense played the same plays of last year Not one change Reason was McNabb hasnt had time to learn the New playbook from what I hear anyway. Coach Frazier let McNabb on field because he is a VET QB Any other player that doesnt know his playbook sits out to the time he learns it so why the special treatment for McNabb Vet or not they should sit out.. Is this why the coach didnt use Rudolph & Shiancoe that much. I know that Rudolph sure doesnt know the Vikes old playbook & the terminology used to run the play,. McNabb could only know a hand full of the plays his self. I know the coach wants a Vet QB on the field But he shouldnt get special treatment It is up to Frazier to make sure players are ready to play & McNabb wasnt. I hear now Frazier is now taking blame for the loss lol I hope If there is a New offense That it isnt as dull as the one in this chargers game . Go Vikings
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Sep 13, 2011
 
Offensive line concerns should have been addressed PRIOR to 0-1...

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Sep 14, 2011
 
Dullfarts wrote:
Offensive line concerns should have been addressed PRIOR to 0-1...
What ever do you mean! they did! remember, they released McKinnie in favor of Charlie Johnson, getting the Chad Greenway extension done!

Chad was the difference maker in that game, you know. Who knows who would have won if those running backs had been covered on passes.

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Sep 14, 2011
 
TRPE wrote:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2 011/9/14/2425309/vikings-offen sive-line-ranked-worst-in-firs t-week
Check this out!
Read the blog post you linked. It was written with what i view as errors.

1. The best offensive lin in the division last year was: Detroit Lions. So he's an idiot on that.

2a. Vikings offensive line finished better than green bay's last year & they won the super bowl, so you can easily win with mediocre offensive lines. Pitt has made a goal of crap o-line play, it seems & I'd kill for their banners.

2b. The worst offensive line in football last year was: The chicago bears. They won our division & had home field advantage throughout the playoffs. shows you can actually do pretty good with a horrible offensive line.

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Sep 14, 2011
 
All I know is that I hope we start building a killer D and better our OL. I am a huge fan of a D that kicks the crap out of the other team :) They can deny it all they want be we are rebuilding, we just have several pieces in place already. But it ALL starts up front on both sides of the ball.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
yeah, we can't stop the pass. need linebackers that can cover. a big time receiver and some second-tier talent would really help our pathetic offensive line. Then the defense has to spend some resources figuring out how to cover harvin & a deep threat that can actually catch. our line can't block 4, when ther's 5 or 6, forget it. least then we could run a bit, too.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
On D our #1 need is secondary. Our LBs are good but the LBs and secondary need to work better on the zone. they got picked apart last week in that seam. O needs OL sooo bad and then a true #1 WR would be nice.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
Travis so far has made the best points. Yes the secondary is poor, has been for many, many years. But a strong pass rush can cover that up. If a QB doesn't have time to throw, he throws errantly, thus lower competion percentage, higher interception rate. Honestly Paul Krause wouldn't have the all time interception record if it wasn't for Eller, Larson, Page, and Marshall. The dude was a center fielder, when the QB was rushed he threw it up. You build winning teams in the trenches on both sides of the ball and suppliment from there. You give Spergon Wynn 8 seconds to throw the ball and a reciever will get open and he will find him. OK, sorry maybe not Spergon Wynn, but Rick Mirer might.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
hey, Karl, good to hear from you. So you feel the vikings do not have a strong pass rush? See, the era you mention there was no such thing as a 3 step drop. It's just a bit different today & more like arena football with defensive handicaps. If the coverage can't disrupt timing enough, pressure's not gonna do much. vikings had 2 sacks in 51 drop backs. 1 interception, from a tip. I thought we had pretty good pressure against the chargers.

In the san diego opener, our line backers had 16 tackles, corners had 15 tackles & safties had 17 tackles. tight ends caught 11 balls, 95 yards. running backs caught 15 balls for 144. wide receivers caught 7 for 97.

so again, 26 passes to typical linebacker's responsibilities with another 24 rushes. 50 opportunities & linebackers did not far & away lead in tackles. something seems wrong there.

The only second half stop on sunday came on an unbelievably great pick by jared allen - thank goodness because the chargers were driving. something's wrong in purpledom, what do you think it is? You think 26 dump offs should go for 243 yards every week?

K, now on to trenches on both sides of the ball. Have you ever noticed the greatest teams always have the great offensive lines? not coincidence. one of the greatest may have been the dallas cowboys of aikman's three superbowls, right? That team played with two third rounders, 2 UDFA's & a 8th round pick in the first two wins. a second round pick was brought in for the third win. There are never really any great offensive lines on terrible offenses, you ever notice that? It's almost like if a defense doesn't respect your skill position players, they pack the box & blitz with impunity. Did indianapolis' offensive line change out this year or did their QB? Last year they had a great offensive line, statistically, & their starting LT was charlie johnson.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
Hey Brother Purple Faithful Glad to see you!
Good point, a good lineman doesn't have to be picked in the first round. The reason the Colts O-line looked good is because Manning gets rid of the ball so fast but they also can't run very effectively so I am all for building a better offensive line. The Vikings don't have that kind of talent at the qb position (yet).
The pressure will get better when Williams gets back. The pressure will also get better when they play with a lead more often which again, if they improve the o-line to give more time to the QB and open holes in the run game that should happen provided the playbook is opened.
No, I don't think the pressure was good enough against the Chargers, they blitzed with their linebackers way too much which leads to dumpoffs.
Yes I understand that they are very weak in the secondary and could could use some help with the linebacking and I really hope they get it, but with better trench play on both sides of the ball it should cover up the weaknesses. It's not the be all end all fix but it's a starting point.

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Sep 15, 2011
 
We agree quite a bit. defensive line is hugely important. offensive line doesn't require elite talent to be elite, but does require teamwork & is really only as good as it's weakest link when passing. KWill, while old & declining, should improve the defense.

We'll have to disagree on trench play being able to cover up a suspect secondary & a suspect linebacking corps, unless you mean against mediocre offenses with limited weapons only. linebackers need to cover the man that is in their zone, not just stand around in their zone. They need to make the right read, run or pass, & then go to their assignment.

I'm sure some home cooking this week is just what the vikings need. Tampa's got blount, but he doesn't catch, so this week the defense & linebackers should look a lot better, as should the vikings offense against tampa's front four. we'll get quite a bit of new info soon. I'm leaning towards thinking viking victory this week.

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We agree quite a bit. defensive line is hugely important. offensive line doesn't require elite talent to be elite, but does require teamwork & is really only as good as it's weakest link when passing. KWill, while old & declining, should improve the defense.
We'll have to disagree on trench play being able to cover up a suspect secondary & a suspect linebacking corps, unless you mean against mediocre offenses with limited weapons only. linebackers need to cover the man that is in their zone, not just stand around in their zone. They need to make the right read, run or pass, & then go to their assignment.
I'm sure some home cooking this week is just what the vikings need. Tampa's got blount, but he doesn't catch, so this week the defense & linebackers should look a lot better, as should the vikings offense against tampa's front four. we'll get quite a bit of new info soon. I'm leaning towards thinking viking victory this week.
Time will tell. In full disclosure I am more of a defensive minded guy. If they won 3-0, had 10 sacks and 4 picks I would go to my grave calling it the greatest game we ever played. I think we can both agree that how ever they do it, they have to stop the pass more than anything. It's a passing league now and the games of grinding it out are becoming more and more rare.
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Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>What ever do you mean! they did! remember, they released McKinnie in favor of Charlie Johnson, getting the Chad Greenway extension done!
Chad was the difference maker in that game, you know. Who knows who would have won if those running backs had been covered on passes.
My bad...what was I thinking...

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Sep 15, 2011
 
So is it just me or is it funny that we did not spend more time and effort trying to better our D in the draft and preseason? For Pete's sake we have two superbowl winning defensive players coaching our team, one being the head coach. I know Rudolph was a good value and a nice pick if you were in need of a TE, but I would have rather had a CB or S. Or on the other side of the ball OL for that matter over a TE. It just seems like we are spinning our wheels.

btw Karl, I am liking your posts more now :)

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TRPE wrote:
So is it just me or is it funny that we did not spend more time and effort trying to better our D in the draft and preseason? For Pete's sake we have two superbowl winning defensive players coaching our team, one being the head coach. I know Rudolph was a good value and a nice pick if you were in need of a TE, but I would have rather had a CB or S. Or on the other side of the ball OL for that matter over a TE. It just seems like we are spinning our wheels.
btw Karl, I am liking your posts more now :)
Travis
Nope...not just you...really sad the way the off season acquisitions went, or lack there of...McDivots being the biggest waste...

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Hot Karl wrote:
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Time will tell. In full disclosure I am more of a defensive minded guy. If they won 3-0, had 10 sacks and 4 picks I would go to my grave calling it the greatest game we ever played. I think we can both agree that how ever they do it, they have to stop the pass more than anything. It's a passing league now and the games of grinding it out are becoming more and more rare.
yep, pass defense is the most important aspect of football. 1 in 3 world champions since 1940 have had the #1 pass defense. I'm a defense guy, too. love great defense.
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Sep 15, 2011
 
True defense wins championships. But I'm still thinking that WR is our biggest problem.

Think about this. Back in the days of Moss, a QB could go shotgun, heave the ball 60 yds downfield and let Moss fight for it or simply out run the defender. All accomplished in 3 to 4 seconds. With a pass attack like that, it makes the OL job a lot easier.

please don't get me wrong, we have an OL that is lacking that is true. But in all reality all we have on offense is a QB and a RB. Furthermore, Peterson almost got 100 yds. He didn't do that by himself. He had to have some help.

your thoughts.....
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Sep 16, 2011
 
With McNabb at QB....it is more him than anything. The Skins have no issues now with Grossman and the only WR added was Jabbar Gafney...who by no means is a super star...

Andy Reed was willing to let him go knowing a division rival was going to sign him with zero fear of repercussions...that should tell you something...

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Magnum Man wrote:
True defense wins championships. But I'm still thinking that WR is our biggest problem.
Think about this. Back in the days of Moss, a QB could go shotgun, heave the ball 60 yds downfield and let Moss fight for it or simply out run the defender. All accomplished in 3 to 4 seconds. With a pass attack like that, it makes the OL job a lot easier.
please don't get me wrong, we have an OL that is lacking that is true. But in all reality all we have on offense is a QB and a RB. Furthermore, Peterson almost got 100 yds. He didn't do that by himself. He had to have some help.
your thoughts.....
Look at the Ravens team that wonn a superbowl. I remember their recievers were Brandon Stokley, Jermaine Lewis, and an old Shannon Sharpe. After that I really can't name another. None of them were great, not bad, but not great. When a team doesn't have top flight talent, you need to give them more time to get the ball in the air and more time to get open. The most productive offensive team the Vikings ever had (1998) boasted two pro-bowl tackles (Steusie,Stringer)and a pro bowl center (Christie). This team needs a lot of work from to to bottom and the best way to do that is to start up front.

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