ESPN2: Hill: Do humans matter?

ESPN2: Hill: Do humans matter?

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“Love My Rattlers”

Since: Feb 08

Atlanta

#1 Feb 21, 2008
Interesting piece by Jemele Hill. One of only a few female writers for ESPN.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#2 Feb 21, 2008

“Love My Rattlers”

Since: Feb 08

Atlanta

#3 Feb 22, 2008
That paper confirms what many have said. The study refers to people who abuse their family PETS...not property. Farmers, fur traders, biologists, and yes, even those who raise roosters for cockfighting or dogs for dogfighting are not prone to any more violence than a cop. I've been to the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica....beautiul places, nice people.
Tom H

Washington, DC

#4 Feb 22, 2008
What she means to say is

Does human trash matter?
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#5 Feb 22, 2008
Famuan wrote:
That paper confirms what many have said. The study refers to people who abuse their family PETS...not property. Farmers, fur traders, biologists, and yes, even those who raise roosters for cockfighting or dogs for dogfighting are not prone to any more violence than a cop. I've been to the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica....beautiul places, nice people.
So.. you think Vick should move to the Dominican Republic? That may be a good idea!

Heads up! Illegal in all 50 states. Felony in 49 AND the federal. The laws are getting tighter, NOT looser. Because the majority of people are disgusted.

The "pets v. property" is disingenuous-- particularly since it's still animal torture, still felonious, and still sociopathological.

Medical experimentation is regulated. Though many of us do not buy from companies that rely on animal testing. Furriers skin DEAD animals. Farmers don't usually torture for fun, giggles, and maybe a little sexual thrill. And, when an animal HAS to be euthanized, most people do just that.

Recreational/for profit/for entertainment animal torturers are like the little guys who enjoy setting kittens on fire. Or, baking the puppy alive, then threatening the neighborhood kids with the same fate. UGH!
Rebecca

AOL

#6 Feb 22, 2008
Tom H wrote:
What she means to say is
Does human trash matter?
I like your comment. The article refers to another mystery about why doesn't every person missing get on the news,esp.if they're black as the author thinks there should be special treatment if you are. These people who make it on the news that are missing have families that put up money to look for them. There are alot of missing people. Do you think Meredith Emerson is the first female to come up missing in the mountains?no. Go to Walmart and look at the pictures and look at the pictures. Alot of Spanish people missing,no?And OMG white people too!Are they allon TV?
Most of us Americans love our dogs,so get over it. We are not going to stop loving our dogs. We are not going to love Vick. you can post ten thousand articles about Vick's vicktimization and the plight of black people since the beginning of time. Go ahead. We will still love our dogs,and cats in my case. And next to most animals no,you don't matter.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#7 Feb 22, 2008
Famuan wrote:
That paper confirms what many have said. The study refers to people who abuse their family PETS...not property. Farmers, fur traders, biologists, and yes, even those who raise roosters for cockfighting or dogs for dogfighting are not prone to any more violence than a cop. I've been to the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica....beautiul places, nice people.
Or, as Judge Hatchett says, "Men who like to hurt are very little, very small men.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#8 Feb 22, 2008
Rebecca wrote:
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I like your comment. The article refers to another mystery about why doesn't every person missing get on the news,esp.if they're black as the author thinks there should be special treatment if you are. These people who make it on the news that are missing have families that put up money to look for them. There are alot of missing people. Do you think Meredith Emerson is the first female to come up missing in the mountains?no. Go to Walmart and look at the pictures and look at the pictures. Alot of Spanish people missing,no?And OMG white people too!Are they allon TV?
Most of us Americans love our dogs,so get over it. We are not going to stop loving our dogs. We are not going to love Vick. you can post ten thousand articles about Vick's vicktimization and the plight of black people since the beginning of time. Go ahead. We will still love our dogs,and cats in my case. And next to most animals no,you don't matter.
Another mystery is why apoligists seem to think that concern about SOME forms of life would preclude concern for others? People who value life tend to value life. People who enjoy hurting the dogs and cat often get an unmanly thrill out of beating the crap out of the wife and kids.

One also wonders whether the money that Vick's posse got from poor people gambling on their dogs wouldn't be better spent on the kid? Maybe the money that went to the "games" took some food off the kids table. Or, the drugs and the gun running that are often part of the venue.
Tom H

Washington, DC

#9 Feb 22, 2008
Rebecca, Vick's supporters are mostly low-income undereducated blacks. Their desperate attempt to justify a scumbag is clear and unmistaken evidence of that. I suggest you consider the source when you stumble over a commentary like this one. Or, look at 'Beat a woman, play on. Beat a dog? You are gone.' What does that tell about the author? Correct.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#10 Feb 22, 2008
Tom H wrote:
Rebecca, Vick's supporters are mostly low-income undereducated blacks. Their desperate attempt to justify a scumbag is clear and unmistaken evidence of that. I suggest you consider the source when you stumble over a commentary like this one. Or, look at 'Beat a woman, play on. Beat a dog? You are gone.' What does that tell about the author? Correct.
They remind me of the Paris Hilton apologists. Same whines and excuses. It's all about holding one's fave celebs above the law, or even human decency. You did NOT see any Hilton apologists defending POOR drunk drivers.

The best behavior I have seen from an incarcerated celeb was Kiefer Sutherland. No whining. No apologias. He asked to NOT be given special treatment. He worked in the laundry and in food service. When he was released, and his friends offered a release party, he told them to grow up.
Gadfly

Mobile, AL

#11 Feb 22, 2008
Anbreen wrote:
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Or, as Judge Hatchett says, "Men who like to hurt are very little, very small men.
Was she talking about an animal abuser?
Gadfly

Mobile, AL

#12 Feb 22, 2008
Anbreen wrote:
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They remind me of the Paris Hilton apologists. Same whines and excuses. It's all about holding one's fave celebs above the law, or even human decency. You did NOT see any Hilton apologists defending POOR drunk drivers.
The best behavior I have seen from an incarcerated celeb was Kiefer Sutherland. No whining. No apologias. He asked to NOT be given special treatment. He worked in the laundry and in food service. When he was released, and his friends offered a release party, he told them to grow up.
I don't know about that one Anbreen. My favorite athlete of all times was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who after getting in an automobile accident belted a guy and asked him "who do you think you are, I'm Kareem Abdul-Jabbar". Can you say dumped. We wasn't incarcerated, but he did community service on an Indian reservation.
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#13 Feb 22, 2008
Gadfly wrote:
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Was she talking about an animal abuser?
She was TALKING about abuse, in general. But, she was LOOKING at a wife abuser.:-)
Anbreen

San Diego, CA

#14 Feb 22, 2008
Gadfly wrote:
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I don't know about that one Anbreen. My favorite athlete of all times was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who after getting in an automobile accident belted a guy and asked him "who do you think you are, I'm Kareem Abdul-Jabbar". Can you say dumped. We wasn't incarcerated, but he did community service on an Indian reservation.
Dang! I LIKED him! I hope he learned not to be a spoiled-A$$ primo don!

A much lesser incident.. an actor-- I forgot the name, walked to the front of a line, waiting to enter a club. He ducked under the velvet rope. When people complained, he said, "Don't you know who I AM?" A big guy said, "Yeah, you're (actor's name), picked him up, and put him back on the OTHER side of the rope.:-)
Gadfly

Mobile, AL

#15 Feb 22, 2008
Anbreen wrote:
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She was TALKING about abuse, in general. But, she was LOOKING at a wife abuser.:-)
Thanks for that information.

“Casey's new friends”

Since: Sep 07

AOL

#16 Feb 22, 2008
Famuan wrote:
Interesting piece by Jemele Hill. One of only a few female writers for ESPN.
Famuan, where do you find them? I clicked on your link to read the "FULL STORY" & guess what, it said no link exists! How convenient for you to have an empty link so no one can debate you fairly!
USA ROCKS

United States

#17 Feb 22, 2008
Gretchen23 wrote:
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Famuan, where do you find them? I clicked on your link to read the "FULL STORY" & guess what, it said no link exists! How convenient for you to have an empty link so no one can debate you fairly!
Just go to any black rights/extremist forum that you can find on the web. You will find an abundance of the type of articles that this guy/girl is so obsessed with.

“Casey's new friends”

Since: Sep 07

AOL

#18 Feb 22, 2008
Missed that link, next time I'll look for it though. Many of this editor's articles have something missing so far, a story to back the titles up!
USA ROCKS wrote:
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Just go to any black rights/extremist forum that you can find on the web. You will find an abundance of the type of articles that this guy/girl is so obsessed with.

“Casey's new friends”

Since: Sep 07

AOL

#19 Feb 22, 2008
Your comments are to the point & unapologetic. I love them! To those who might threaten to flag or whatever you can sure dish it out so learn to take it. Handle the truth like a grown-up!
Tom H wrote:
Rebecca, Vick's supporters are mostly low-income undereducated blacks. Their desperate attempt to justify a scumbag is clear and unmistaken evidence of that. I suggest you consider the source when you stumble over a commentary like this one. Or, look at 'Beat a woman, play on. Beat a dog? You are gone.' What does that tell about the author? Correct.
Gadfly

Mobile, AL

#20 Feb 22, 2008
Gretchen23 wrote:
Missed that link, next time I'll look for it though. Many of this editor's articles have something missing so far, a story to back the titles up!
<quoted text>
Gretchen, are you looking in the right place, because I have found them all. Look in the Carolina blue area.

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