Ex-Steeler Porter out to get last word

Ex-Steeler Porter out to get last word

There are 271 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Nov 25, 2007, titled Ex-Steeler Porter out to get last word. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Joey Porter has never been the type to mince words, but he's been giving the world the silent treatment lately.

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West-Sider

North Port, FL

#319 Nov 30, 2007
SteelersWoman wrote:
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I'm in the Pittsburgh Steelers forum--reading your posts. All these threads are intertwined, when (for example) the Steelers played the Jets. That makes YOUR news OUR news, and vice-versa--so to speak.
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Well, techically, it IS a "game". It's even CALLED a "Football GAME". And it's supposed to be entertaining and enjoyable--for players AND fans. At least a great majority of the players say they enjoy it.
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If you sat down to a game of checkers, I'm sure you'd enjoy it much more if you won, but if you lose the game (and/or are a poor loser) it doesn't make it any LESS a "game".
It's not in the rules of ANY game that both sides "have" to enjoy it to make it a true game, because one side's ALways going to lose. A good sportsman enjoys it either way, a poor loser doesn't.
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"Bullyism" isn't a word, but if these men weren't deliberately putting themselves on the field (mostly for the big bucks) then this wouldn't be happening. So they go out there, KNOWING it's going to happen, and that they could stop it if they just didn't "play" football anymore.
So I'm sorry, but IMO, that's a bit different than a school bully who grabs a child who does not want to shall we say "play in the snow" to BEGIN with--unlike the football players who go out onto that field knowing full well exactly what's going to happen, yet they go anyway.
These are grown men playing a grown up game, and they're fully aware of the risks, that's why they're paid so handsomely. The child who is "bullied" gets NOTHING out of the deal.
You missed the point ..... by a mile!

The conversation wasn't about the "football GAME"

The 'GAME' I was referring to, is the taunting and ridiculous behavior on the Dolphins 'FORUM'. When we continually ask the Jets fans (and others) why they come on the Dolphins forum and constantly talk their crap ... they referred to it as a "game" to talk the smack and taunt. That's the part I said ... "We aren't having any fun"

Who needs the taunting, smack talking idiots from some other team .... to butt into our forum ?

Answer: we don't !

Since: Mar 07

NE Ohio

#320 Nov 30, 2007
West-Sider wrote:
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You missed the point ..... by a mile!
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I apologize for misunderstanding what your post was about--but your posts are showing up in our Steelers forum, so I'm sure they're showing up in the Jets (etc) as well.

I totally agree with you. I've never agreed with "smack talk". I don't like it, don't understand it, and have never seen where it does one earthly bit of good.
West-Sider

North Port, FL

#321 Nov 30, 2007
SteelersWoman wrote:
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I apologize for misunderstanding what your post was about--but your posts are showing up in our Steelers forum, so I'm sure they're showing up in the Jets (etc) as well.
I totally agree with you. I've never agreed with "smack talk". I don't like it, don't understand it, and have never seen where it does one earthly bit of good.
AMEN ....
marinofan13

Selinsgrove, PA

#322 Nov 30, 2007
West-Sider wrote:
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**Answer to question # 1 ... don't know, don't care. Hasn't even been 100K or 1 Mil., scouts/players, etc. How is it relevant?
**Comment to your statement: Absolutely you'd feel the same way, if situations were reversed.
**Didn't ever expect to be 'right' 100% of the time ... about what ? What's with the keeping a diary? What are you even referring to ? Right ... wrong ? What is it we're referring too?
** You say, Nobody attacked me until I attacked them ?
WOW ....Just about everytime I say something about a player evaluation, etc. there's always a dissenting voice.
There's just nothing, like having to read the comments of some person that has absolutely no clue. I can usually tell in 2 minutes if the 'poster' has even played high school football, or even has any primitive football knowledge, at all.
** You say, I'm like a "JetFan" ?
Now lets get to the meat of it. It was your (all of a sudden out of nowhere) comments, second-guessing the GM, 2nd guessing the draft, talking about guys taken before or after Ginn, etc. Your defense of Culpepper, bad-mouthing Cam & Randy about that issue, the trade for Green, actually 'hoping' Green did poorly or even got hurt, and 'DC' did well ... so your comments about the situation would come to pass. Second guessing everything that happened after the Culpepper situation. I tried to explain some things to you, regarding DC, but you knew better, you weren't going to even remotely listen to anyone try to explain something, not when you knew better ! You challenged every single comment I made regarding this issue, you literally 'parsed' every single word I said. You tried to put words in my mouth, or change my meaning, tried to say I said something different than I did. I guess you don't remember any of that?
You turn the situation around and see how you'd handle the audacity of somebody talking down to you and essentially calling you a phoney, a sham, etc., etc. It literally got so bad with your challenging the draft, who was cut or wasn't cut, second guessing whether RM even "tried to trade back".
At that point (back in June-July) it became an issue where you wanted to see the Dolphins do poorly, Green to get hurt and/or do horribly, and you wanted 'DC' to be the player of the year while leading the Raiders to the Superbowl, all so you could say you were right about DC, and I was wrong??
C'mon, certainly you can remember all of that. You had venom toward me each and every time I made a comment.
You continuously make absolute comments about personnel matters that reinforce the notion, that your football knowledge is exceedingly shallow. Your position on Culpepper,(I had told you how bad he was still limping back in June. He's still limping badly now) your comments about Rex Ryan, you believe that you can evaluate because you like Darren McFadden (my 80 year old mom watches football and says .."Garsh that fellow seems like a very fast runner.") but everyone sees he's got skills ! I see posters say that all of the time. "Miami needs to take McFadden, he's the real deal." How insightful!
It is YOU who seem to be keeping a diary. I'm suggesting we bury the hatchet. Yes, we've both irritated one another on the passionate stances we've taken... it comes with the territory. We can't agree all the time. And you have me mistaken for someone else regarding McFadden. I'M the one who states we don't need him as we have too many other glaring needs.

What's been done in the past should have already been forgotten. Today is a new day. Live life like this, and the world becomes a greater place. While I appreciate your insight (seriously!), you need to forgive and forget. And no, I'm not perfect... by far. C'mon, man! Lighten up!
marinofan13

Selinsgrove, PA

#323 Nov 30, 2007
West-Sider wrote:
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Keep in mind ... I don't have disdain for somebody like yourself that truly doesn't know that much about football. My sisters don't know anything about football.
Going back to my post of yesterday, I think I stated what you have just posted here! I honestly put myself in YOUR shoes and came to the understanding of how you must feel. I'm beginning to understand your point of view better.

Me too, I post on various topics on these forums myself... illegal immigration, Iraq War, gays, and many other political issues. You know I listen to the EIB daily, so you know my view points on these issues. I'm a STAUNCH conservative. And like you, I use different handles as well... on DIFFERANT forums.

Thank you for sharing your story here. I feel for that situation and I appreciate how you handled it. I'll share a quick one with you. People at my job were piling on this guy, who was innocent. Granted he was unpopular, he did nothing wrong while people were making bogus accusations against him. This hurt me to the core to see an innocent guy get the brunt of BS. He was going to be fired until I stepped in (which was a very unpopular decision for me to make). I couldn't allow an innocent guy to go down. Had it not been for me being a supervisor, he would not have had a leg to stand on. In defending this guy, blame was reassigned to the true perpetrators of said "incidents". I entered discussions with a cool head and unbiased. I could not allow my emotions of hate towards the REAL perpetrators to get the better of me. Some despised me for doing this, but I did what was morally correct. His job was spared and I was the "bad guy" for doing the right thing. But eventually, I got SO much respect from the rest of my people for all that I did... through understanding and thoughtfulness.

Moral of this story: I DO understand where you are coming from, as you defend an innocent man. Please, sir, try to have a cool head about you! You do a disservice to your own cause when allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Defend Cam with your life if you must, but in order to turn the tide of some of these ignorant fans asking for his firing, you must get to them through the brain... not hate-filled retorts just because you disagree with them. Wisdom rules, hate kills.

I'm not preaching to you, I'm just trying to sharpen your edges in order to make you more effective... believe it not. I hope you find this to be thoughtful and considerate of me, man. Let's bury the hatchet. I'll leave you with this:

Don't kill the horse and drag it to water! That's fruitless and, well... DUH! LEAD the horse to water. If it thirsts for water, it will drink of your wisdom and experience. What's more, that horse will be in YOUR stable for a loooong time! Be good and God Bless.

West-Sider

North Port, FL

#324 Dec 1, 2007
To Marinofan: reply inbedded, all caps.
Please, sir, try to have a cool head about you! You do a disservice to your own cause when allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Defend Cam with your life if you must, but in order to turn the tide of some of these ignorant fans asking for his firing, you must get to them through the brain... not hate-filled retorts (I DO NOT BELIEVE MY RESPONSES ARE "HATE-FILLED"just because you disagree with them. Wisdom rules, hate kills.(AGAIN, NO HATE. HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OPPOSING VIEWS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE BACKED BY REASON, RATHER THAN JUST THE NOTION, SOMEONE BELIEVES THEY'RE THE 'FINAL WORD' ON A SUBJECT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.THAT GOES FOR MARK MAY,(although at least May played the game!!!) MEL KIPER, ETC.
COMMENTS LIKE "DAUNTE IS MUCH BETTER THAN A CONCUSSED GREEN, THAT'S ONE HIT AWAY FROM BEING SCRAMBLED EGGS." OR BULGER IS THE BEST OR SECOND BEST QB IN THE NFL. CONVERSELY, A COMMENT THAT GOES LIKE THIS: IN MY OPINION BULGER IS THE 2ND BEST ....OR, IF I WERE STARTING A TEAM TOMORROW, I'D WANT BULGER TO BE MY QB. OPINIONS ARE FINE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT EXPRESSED IN SUCH ABSOLUTE TERMS. OR BETTER YET, IF THEY'RE BACKED UP BY INFO/STATS/'QUOTES FROM 'REAL EXPERTS'.
JUST WATCH THESE POSTS FOR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, AND NOTICE HOW MANY TIMES 'POSTERS' SPEAK IN 'ABSOLUTE' TERMS, ABOUT SUBJECTS. FOR INSTANCE ...."CAM'S MADE SO MANY GAME MANAGEMENT ERRORS, SO MANY CLOCK MANAGEMENT ERRORS. EVEN DAVE HYDE SAYS STUFF LIKE THIS ... IT'S ABSURD. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN A HEAD COACH OR OFFENSIVE COORD. IN THE NFL, WHAT QUALIFIES YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE THIS TYPE OF COMMENT?
I'm not preaching to you, I'm just trying to sharpen your edges (SPARE ME ... MY 'EDGES ARE AS SHARP AS THEY'RE GOING TO BE.)in order to make you more effective... believe it not. I hope you find this to be thoughtful and considerate of me, man. Let's bury the hatchet. I'll leave you with this:
Don't kill the horse and drag it to water! That's fruitless and, well... DUH! LEAD the horse to water. If it thirsts for water, it will drink of your wisdom and experience. What's more, that horse will be in YOUR stable for a loooong time! Be good and God Bless.

IN SUMMATION ... I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEMPT TO EXTEND THE 'OLIVE BRANCH', HOWEVER, OUR PERSONALITIES ARE AT OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. YOU'RE DIALOG/BEHAVIOR/ATTITUDE, THAT TOOK SUCH A STRANGE TURN LAST SUMMER, WHICH I ALLUDED TO, THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO PULL AGAINST THE DOLPHINS IN ORDER TO SEE CAM OR RANDY BE WRONG, OR ME FOR THAT MATTER, OR BETTER YET SO THAT YOU COULD BE RIGHT .... ABOUT CULPEPPER, GREEN, ETC., ETC.
THAT'S JUST NOT IN MY WORLD. I HAVE DESPISED THE 'NOTION' OF RICKY WILLIAMS BEING AN NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER SINCE HE CAME OUT OF COLLEGE, BECAUSE OF THE RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF FAILED DRUG TESTS AT U-T. THAT, COUPLED WITH THE COMPLETE THREAD ON NON-CONFORMITY,'NON-TEAM-FIRST ' MENTALITY HAS ALWAYS GONE 100% AGAINST THE GRAIN FOR ME. THAT SAID, I WANTED HIM TO DO WELL WITH MIAMI ONCE THEY ACQUIRED HIM.
AFTER HE QUIT, I NEVER WANTED HIM TO COME BACK TO THE DOLPHINS OR THE NFL, PERIOD. AFTER THEY LET HIM BACK, I DISAGREED VEHEMENTLY, BUT WANTED HIM TO HELP MIAMI. NOW AFTER THE REPEATED FAILED DRUG TESTS, I WANTED THE LEAGUE TO SAY, "THANKS BUT NO THANKS."
AFTER THEY DUMPED HIM BACK ON MIAMI (believe me there was probably 90-95% of the league counting players coaches, owners, GMs, and scouts, etc.that never wanted him to return, ever again!) I HOPED MIAMI WOULD SAY 'SYONARA.' DUE TO INJURIES AT RB POSITION, AND HUGE PUBLIC 'DEMAND' THE OWNER/PRES MENTIONED/PRESSURED (FORCED?) THE COACH AND GM TO USE HIM TO ESTABLISH SOME VALUE, THEN DEAL WITH IT IN THE OFF SEASON. MONDAY NIGHT, I ABSOLUTELY GAGGED AT THE NOTION OF RICKY PLAYING. ONCE IT WAS INEVITABLE AND HE WENT IN ... I WANTED HIM TO GIVE THE TEAM A MUCH-NEEDED BOOST, AND HELP THEM WIN.
I COULD NEVER BE CONVINCED YOU ARE WIRED THAT WAY, I SEE A GUY TOO SELF-INTERESTED FOR THAT !
marinofan13

Cresco, PA

#325 Dec 1, 2007
West-Sider wrote:
IN SUMMATION ... I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEMPT TO EXTEND THE 'OLIVE BRANCH', HOWEVER, OUR PERSONALITIES ARE AT OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. YOU'RE DIALOG/BEHAVIOR/ATTITUDE, THAT TOOK SUCH A STRANGE TURN LAST SUMMER, WHICH I ALLUDED TO, THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO PULL AGAINST THE DOLPHINS IN ORDER TO SEE CAM OR RANDY BE WRONG, OR ME FOR THAT MATTER, OR BETTER YET SO THAT YOU COULD BE RIGHT .... ABOUT CULPEPPER, GREEN, ETC., ETC.
THAT'S JUST NOT IN MY WORLD. I HAVE DESPISED THE 'NOTION' OF RICKY WILLIAMS BEING AN NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER SINCE HE CAME OUT OF COLLEGE, BECAUSE OF THE RIDICULOUS NUMBER OF FAILED DRUG TESTS AT U-T. THAT, COUPLED WITH THE COMPLETE THREAD ON NON-CONFORMITY,'NON-TEAM-FIRST ' MENTALITY HAS ALWAYS GONE 100% AGAINST THE GRAIN FOR ME. THAT SAID, I WANTED HIM TO DO WELL WITH MIAMI ONCE THEY ACQUIRED HIM.
AFTER HE QUIT, I NEVER WANTED HIM TO COME BACK TO THE DOLPHINS OR THE NFL, PERIOD. AFTER THEY LET HIM BACK, I DISAGREED VEHEMENTLY, BUT WANTED HIM TO HELP MIAMI. NOW AFTER THE REPEATED FAILED DRUG TESTS, I WANTED THE LEAGUE TO SAY, "THANKS BUT NO THANKS."
AFTER THEY DUMPED HIM BACK ON MIAMI (believe me there was probably 90-95% of the league counting players coaches, owners, GMs, and scouts, etc.that never wanted him to return, ever again!) I HOPED MIAMI WOULD SAY 'SYONARA.' DUE TO INJURIES AT RB POSITION, AND HUGE PUBLIC 'DEMAND' THE OWNER/PRES MENTIONED/PRESSURED (FORCED?) THE COACH AND GM TO USE HIM TO ESTABLISH SOME VALUE, THEN DEAL WITH IT IN THE OFF SEASON. MONDAY NIGHT, I ABSOLUTELY GAGGED AT THE NOTION OF RICKY PLAYING. ONCE IT WAS INEVITABLE AND HE WENT IN ... I WANTED HIM TO GIVE THE TEAM A MUCH-NEEDED BOOST, AND HELP THEM WIN.
I COULD NEVER BE CONVINCED YOU ARE WIRED THAT WAY, I SEE A GUY TOO SELF-INTERESTED FOR THAT !
Please don't confuse "self-interested" with passionate. And when I say passionate, I mean that I honestly and in all earnesty disagreed with some of the decision making. As fate would have it, I was (perhaps luckily) correct on most of these matters. And I disagree with your notion that I rooted AGAINST the Phins to have my ideas become self-fulfilling; that's not me. And to illustrate this FACT, I submit to the fact that I NEVER gloated over Trent going down: I rooted for his health and life (go back to those pages if you don't believe me!). There was another guy from PA that was talking smack about Green going down, not me. And when Pep beat the Phins, I didn't gloat either. I DID, however, make one snide, passive comment. Again, this dude from PA (his name is "Dannyboy") kept gloating. I told him to can-it (again, go back to those pages!). He told me that he will NEVER stop gloating about the whole Pep thing.
Honestly, I think you have me pegged incorrectly. I think that "our" history has you seeing too much red. I'd actually say that you and I are very alike. Of course, the big difference is your experience in the game of football. I can "see" you in your posts and this is why I come to this conclusion. And yes, we are both VERY strong-minded, opinionated, and passionate people!
I thank you for drawing this conversation out this far. And point well taken about one's opinion and stating it without "in my opinion,...". But we are ALL guilty of this, of course! That's what passion does to us sometimes... that's what gives ALL of us the sometimes "knee-jerk" reactions that we are all guilty of... you and I included while defending a view. Good conversation, man. I hope we have better relations in the future.
West-Sider

North Port, FL

#326 Dec 1, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>Please don't confuse "self-interested" with passionate. And when I say passionate, I mean that I honestly and in all earnesty disagreed with some of the decision making. As fate would have it, I was (perhaps luckily) correct on most of these matters. And I disagree with your notion that I rooted AGAINST the Phins to have my ideas become self-fulfilling; that's not me. And to illustrate this FACT, I submit to the fact that I NEVER gloated over Trent going down: I rooted for his health and life (go back to those pages if you don't believe me!). There was another guy from PA that was talking smack about Green going down, not me. And when Pep beat the Phins, I didn't gloat either. I DID, however, make one snide, passive comment. Again, this dude from PA (his name is "Dannyboy") kept gloating. I told him to can-it (again, go back to those pages!). He told me that he will NEVER stop gloating about the whole Pep thing.
Honestly, I think you have me pegged incorrectly. I think that "our" history has you seeing too much red. I'd actually say that you and I are very alike. Of course, the big difference is your experience in the game of football. I can "see" you in your posts and this is why I come to this conclusion. And yes, we are both VERY strong-minded, opinionated, and passionate people!
I thank you for drawing this conversation out this far. And point well taken about one's opinion and stating it without "in my opinion,...". But we are ALL guilty of this, of course! That's what passion does to us sometimes... that's what gives ALL of us the sometimes "knee-jerk" reactions that we are all guilty of... you and I included while defending a view. Good conversation, man. I hope we have better relations in the future.
Again with the "I just happened to be right."

I don't agree with every decision that's made over there either, but nobody will find out where I disagree with the coach or GM. Doesn't serve any purpose and it would only make it look as though I was saying,'see how G.D. smart I am'. What's the point. I dam sure am not trying to impress anyone in these forums (unless there's some great looking 'Babe' that might be looking to hook up with a "football-minded guy" then I'd pour it on !)

I certainly remember distinctly all the gas you threw on me last summer, when I was attending the practice sessions and tried to illuminate some of the goings on ... especially the day 'DC' left the field. You parsed every word I said, and questioned if I was even there, you tried to change my words, etc. And back at the 'post draft' work-outs when I saw Ronnie Brown, and I told you he was around 255-260 lbs, you corrected me and said that he didn't weigh that much, and stated he was only 4-5 lbs overweight according to what you'd heard, etc.

I used to do that for a living, I can judge height and weight from across a room. How do you think that crap sets with someone, getting chastised for no reason, when I knew better ??

I don't know what you're all about, what turns your crank, as far as football goes. I can only say, I personally would love to stomp out worldwide stupidity in my lifetime, and I probably have set my goals too high !!!

You've got to admit I found a great place to start with my endeavor, there's plenty of it here on these forums!

The sad reality is, this stupid crap that gets thrown around here, is taken as fact, by many that read and post here. That's the part that rankles me so. Especially the personal stuff about Randy & Cam, etc.
jahndoh

Los Olivos, CA

#327 Dec 1, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>NO!!! It is HE that should slow up on the stone throwing!!!... at every fan, at every insider, at every writer, at every reporter, at every talent evaluater, at every ANYBODY that won't stand for 0-11. If "West-Sider" has been right all along, he's still 0-11. I guess most of us are still wrong...
It's a VERY sad day when the fans have more insight than the "almighty" westsider.
Is YOUR allegiance to the Mighty Phins or this flake? 0-11 buddy, 0-11. Let's stay the course!
I've ALWAYS enjoyed your insight, "jahndoh", but ever since W-S gave you "Timothy's" e-mail address, you seem to be supporting failure. How is "Timothy's" radio-show doing? I'm guessing it failed, bro. Don't be cohersed by failure; it's not very becoming.
Best regards
I've been gone a few days and am just catching up.

I don't know who "timothy" is, and don't have his email address.

Thanks for the kind words "always enjoyed your insight...", but I have always had Westsider on my must read list. Even he'll tell you that we haven't always agreed on everything, but I personally still think he's an important part of this board and does indeed have a little more experience to lend then most of us.

At any rate, I'll be right with both of you tomorrow rooting for the fins to finally get off the schneid!

Go fins!
marinofan13

Williamsport, PA

#328 Dec 1, 2007
West-Sider wrote:
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Again with the "I just happened to be right."
I don't agree with every decision that's made over there either, but nobody will find out where I disagree with the coach or GM. Doesn't serve any purpose and it would only make it look as though I was saying,'see how G.D. smart I am'. What's the point. I dam sure am not trying to impress anyone in these forums (unless there's some great looking 'Babe' that might be looking to hook up with a "football-minded guy" then I'd pour it on !)
I certainly remember distinctly all the gas you threw on me last summer, when I was attending the practice sessions and tried to illuminate some of the goings on ... especially the day 'DC' left the field. You parsed every word I said, and questioned if I was even there, you tried to change my words, etc. And back at the 'post draft' work-outs when I saw Ronnie Brown, and I told you he was around 255-260 lbs, you corrected me and said that he didn't weigh that much, and stated he was only 4-5 lbs overweight according to what you'd heard, etc.
I used to do that for a living, I can judge height and weight from across a room. How do you think that crap sets with someone, getting chastised for no reason, when I knew better ??
I don't know what you're all about, what turns your crank, as far as football goes. I can only say, I personally would love to stomp out worldwide stupidity in my lifetime, and I probably have set my goals too high !!!
You've got to admit I found a great place to start with my endeavor, there's plenty of it here on these forums!
The sad reality is, this stupid crap that gets thrown around here, is taken as fact, by many that read and post here. That's the part that rankles me so. Especially the personal stuff about Randy & Cam, etc.
I'm asking you to forget the gas we both blew towards one another last summer, as I have. I have begun to see Cam (as an outsider) they way you have known him to be for years. You MUST understand that most people in America (280 MIL+) don't know Cam as a person as you do. I ask you to instill the so called "ignorant" with intelligence, not spiteful retorts. So far, I think you are doing better as of today from what I've seen on other posts! For this, I applaud you. Please don't find me to be patronizing either. I just think that thoughtful posts carry more weight than sarcastic responses. Be well.
West-Sider

North Port, FL

#329 Dec 1, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>NO!!! It is HE that should slow up on the stone throwing!!!... at every fan, at every insider, at every writer, at every reporter, at every talent evaluater, at every ANYBODY that won't stand for 0-11. If "West-Sider" has been right all along, he's still 0-11. I guess most of us are still wrong...
It's a VERY sad day when the fans have more insight than the "almighty" westsider.
Is YOUR allegiance to the Mighty Phins or this flake? 0-11 buddy, 0-11. Let's stay the course!
I've ALWAYS enjoyed your insight, "jahndoh", but ever since W-S gave you "Timothy's" e-mail address, you seem to be supporting failure. How is "Timothy's" radio-show doing? I'm guessing it failed, bro. Don't be cohersed by failure; it's not very becoming.
Best regards
I never said McCarver has a radio show ... It was Tommy Niedenfuer, alias 'ThomasJ.'

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