Playoffs proving Jerry Angelo wrong t...

Playoffs proving Jerry Angelo wrong to put QB at top of Bears' ...

There are 183 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 12, 2009, titled Playoffs proving Jerry Angelo wrong to put QB at top of Bears' .... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Jerry Angelo watched the same NFL playoff games everybody else did last weekend.

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Butkus Love Child

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#1 Jan 12, 2009
It's not how many TD's or INT's that Orton threw this year, it's the throws he can't make and how he limits the offense and allows the defenses to key on his many weaknesses. It's how any decent FA WR who is not just looking for that one more payday will avoid the Bears because he knows he'll never reach his potential with a QB who can't hit him. Get your head out of Kyle's butt and realize a QB that can actually hit Hester on the fly will do wonders for opening the offense up and stop opposing D's from keying on them. Please stay out of the Bear's roster cause you have no clue as to what a NFL roster should consist of.
Cocobear

United States

#2 Jan 12, 2009
I'm glad David is calling Angelo on this one. Angelo was merely trying to divert focus from the whole Babich BFF/Rivera/Overpaid/Underperfo rming defense. Throw the fans a bone with a QB and we'll go away. We're not that dumb Angelo. But apparently you are.
jimmyjustice

Chicago, IL

#3 Jan 12, 2009
the bears need a lot of things, I'm not sure what takes priority, but for god sales can we get a good quarterback in Chicago for once? This is getting a little ridiculous.
The Capitalist

Chicago, IL

#4 Jan 12, 2009
Butkus Love Child wrote:
It's not how many TD's or INT's that Orton threw this year, it's the throws he can't make and how he limits the offense and allows the defenses to key on his many weaknesses. It's how any decent FA WR who is not just looking for that one more payday will avoid the Bears because he knows he'll never reach his potential with a QB who can't hit him. Get your head out of Kyle's butt and realize a QB that can actually hit Hester on the fly will do wonders for opening the offense up and stop opposing D's from keying on them. Please stay out of the Bear's roster cause you have no clue as to what a NFL roster should consist of.
Amen.
chi-man

Lethbridge, Canada

#5 Jan 12, 2009
Angelo, you dumb piece of fetal matter, what is wrong with you? say after me...O-line, D-line and reciever and that is all you need. If you waste your money and picks on others, for example qb, then you are a dunce. A pass-rusher, a real one. Stop counting on Wale, who is done and on Harris who is always hurt and can never practice or play any good. These guys are going to be worse last year than this year. If a can't miss safty is available, sure , go for it. But leave qb alone, and if you don't recognize the potential of Hanie then you are a lost cause and we will lose another player who will prosper elsewhere.
chi-man

Lethbridge, Canada

#6 Jan 12, 2009
i meant worse next year than this year. sorry
Distressed

Chicago, IL

#7 Jan 12, 2009
Angelo wrong? Has he ever been right? Sure the Bears need a QB who can throw the long ball (accurately), but they need WR's who can catch the ball and an OL that can protect the QB. Angelo got the team in this situation and there's no reason to believe he can fix it. And if by some miracle he got the right players to fix it, Lovie would screw it up.
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#8 Jan 12, 2009
Typical scenario online here; Cannot see the forest for the trees.
Everyone is blinded by the so-called talent Orton has, that they cannot see his shortcomings. He cannot hit the broadside of a barn from 15 feet if his life depended on it.

I am positive that when he throws he closes his eyes and hopes it goes where he wants. That is the only explanation for his super inaccuracy in throwing.

I think he would have rough time hitting water if he fell out of a boat.

Orton reminds me of the guy in the yellow rain slicker on Laugh-In that rode the tricycle furiously then all of a sudden falls flat on his side. That is Orton as a QB!!

It is definatly time to replace Orton and Rex and not with McNabb, he is only a retread that is about to blow out. We do not need another broken down has been QB. WE have had our share!
jimbo

Juneau, AK

#9 Jan 12, 2009
Uhhhh, right. I must've watched different games. Saw McNabb come through in the clutch, especially on third down. Threw accurate deep balls in hella wind. Big Ben...same thing, coming through big in clutch time. Again, Warner - Fitz...

This will be the last Haugh article I read. Terrible.
Ron Munry

Peoria, AZ

#10 Jan 12, 2009
The Bears don't need a QB they have one HANIE! wide reciever and a pass rusher is priority.
The Arizona Cardinals turn around started 2 years ago when they hired Wisenhut and he brought his people in like Russ Grim and Todd Haley.
Wake up Angelo your coaching staff SUCKS including generic Lovie Smith.
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#11 Jan 12, 2009
Rex and Kyle have had their honeymoon years to prove what they can do. Those years are over. They have choked and Frankly I am tied of seeing the chicken bones protruding from their mouths! Is that why they cannot hang on to the ball; all the chicken grease on their fingers!!

1) Time to put Hanie in, acquire a talented Backup QB and Draft the 3 string QB.

2) Address the O and D lines , Wide receives and Defensive Backfield.

3) I would not count out Wale and Harris yet. The fired D line coach could not coach all pros even if it was an honorary position. In essence he'd mess up a circle jerk.

4) Players do not go from All Pro's one year to busts in 1-2 years. Players ability does not decline that rapidly.

It has to be the Defensive scheme. NO if's and's or Buts about it!!! That is common sense and Football knowledge!!

That not only goes for the O Line but for the O line and the Linebackers and Defensive Backfield too.

Coaching matters 98% on any level of Football. Coaching puts all the pieces together.
The stars, rookies, developing players and free agents together so the system can work. In the case of Lovie Smith and the Bears they have 10-15% of the pieces and absolutely no coaching!!

If anyone disagrees then they better take a LONG and much deeper look at a winning NFL Football Program!

The problem is that the Bears are being run as though they are in a league for 10-12 year olds!! Afraid to train them too hard lest they get hurt. Too afraid to give them something too complicated that they could not handle it. With Lovie Smith as the Head Wus.
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#12 Jan 12, 2009
The comment should read not only the O line but the D line too
Sorry!!
J W Chi

Chicago, IL

#13 Jan 12, 2009
Angelo has made his share of mistakes. How many of them were because of the input from Our Wus of a Coach Smith? Who knows?
I do not fault either one by themselves. It is an collaboration of effort. Smith says I want this player Angelo gets the player for him, even though it may be the absolute wrong choice. Like I have said I am not absolving Angelo of any of the blame.

He is the GM and he should have a better sense about what is good for the team. As with any NFL Franchise the buck stops at the GM's door when it comes to player personnel. Also when it comes to Coaching staffs and their performance.

Angelo should be made accountable for his choices or lack thereof!
Peni

Ingleside, IL

#14 Jan 12, 2009
You guys are missing the point of the article, its not that Orton is good or he is bad. The point is, the team can win with Orton if they address other needs such as a sack specialist and a game breaker at WR. If you honestly think it is Orton's fault that Devin Hester can't understand what route he is suppose to run or catch a ball that falls right in his hand, then I guess you guys haven't been watching closely enough.

Haugh is simply making the point that every team that is left in the playoffs can play great defense and has players on offense that can make plays. Marty Booker, Brandon Lloyd, and Rashied Davis are nothing more than slot or a 4th receiver in a shotgun set.
SDS

Glen Ellyn, IL

#15 Jan 12, 2009
Butkus Love Child wrote:
It's not how many TD's or INT's that Orton threw this year, it's the throws he can't make and how he limits the offense and allows the defenses to key on his many weaknesses. It's how any decent FA WR who is not just looking for that one more payday will avoid the Bears because he knows he'll never reach his potential with a QB who can't hit him. Get your head out of Kyle's butt and realize a QB that can actually hit Hester on the fly will do wonders for opening the offense up and stop opposing D's from keying on them. Please stay out of the Bear's roster cause you have no clue as to what a NFL roster should consist of.
Yep, right on the money...

You'd think a writer who covers football for a living would get some of the subtle aspects of the game and understand these things.

I don't care if he threw 18 TDs. Eight of Orton's TDs were from inside the 10 yard line. He had two long TDs all year long and both of those (to Booker & Hester) were short passes that turned into long TDs.

There just are passes Orton has not shown the ability to make. Are we to expect he'll suddenly learn to make these throws?

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to get legitimate starter at the position and not just a guy who might be competent.

Luke

Mason, MI

#16 Jan 12, 2009
Butkus Love Child wrote:
It's not how many TD's or INT's that Orton threw this year, it's the throws he can't make and how he limits the offense and allows the defenses to key on his many weaknesses. It's how any decent FA WR who is not just looking for that one more payday will avoid the Bears because he knows he'll never reach his potential with a QB who can't hit him. Get your head out of Kyle's butt and realize a QB that can actually hit Hester on the fly will do wonders for opening the offense up and stop opposing D's from keying on them. Please stay out of the Bear's roster cause you have no clue as to what a NFL roster should consist of.
How did he limit the offense ? Are you saying he held Davis ,Booker,Lloyd ,and our DB convert hester back ? roflmaobbqribs
I think people needs to get there heads out of Hesters butt. Hester was rarely open and I do mean rarely open and didnt get the ball. Im not talking about having A STEP on a guy Im talking Larry Fitzgerald who is guarding that guy open. Some of you have created this imaginary line and just keep moving it.
We ran fly routes maybe 2 times a game the odds of hitting every time you run a fly route in that situation is VERY LOW especially when youre not even talking about someone being Andre Johnson open.
You dont know what a receiver will say stop placing your own insecurities on the entire free agent class of wideouts.
A deep passing attack was never part of the plan with the receivers we brought in last offseason. We just hoped to tread water and rely on our defense and ST to win games for us. It wasnt until people saw how bad they slipped that now 20 ppg was not enough and we needed th greatest how on turf on offense.
You just cant turn on a passing attack like that midseason it starts in the offseason and you have to have not only fly pattern threats but YAC threats as well because how many times you are gonna get loose for 50 yard bombs if everyone knows you will never run 20 yard crossing patterns or 15 yard slants ?
We didnt have a problem moving the ball or scoring when we had too through the air. We actually discovered that even with no receivers that Orton is pretty good in the hurry up even with just TE's and backs.
We did find out that we dont have a dominant O-line to grind out the clock with leads for a offense that was one of the highest scoring 1st quarter offenses in the lead.
That we dont have a quick strike capability downfield but we already knew this before the season started as we were trying to convert our returner into one .
Thats why you add a couple of more weapons on the outside but strengthen that line and fix that defense and work on opening things up a little more.
The Obv

Chicago, IL

#17 Jan 12, 2009
Orton is a decent QB and with development, he can be pretty good. What the Bears need is some WR talent. You can't expect to have a good passing game when your top receiver is your RB. WR coach Darryl Drake needs to be fired. We're supposed to have talented receivers, yet it always seems that Bears' WRs are incompetent. Does anyone else notice how former Bear WRs move on to other teams and are highly successful? Do Bernard Berrian, Justin Gage, Bobby Wade ring a bell? The last two were horrible as Bears; it's ironic how they have become some of the league's top receivers.
SDS

Glen Ellyn, IL

#18 Jan 12, 2009
I don't think anyone is defending the WRs. It might be the weakest position on the team.

But did you people not see the terrible, terrible mid-range and deep throws Orton made? Larry Fitzgerald standing on Andre Johnson's shoulders wouldn't be able to haul those passes in...
Du Ve

AOL

#19 Jan 13, 2009
Cocobear wrote:
I'm glad David is calling Angelo on this one. Angelo was merely trying to divert focus from the whole Babich BFF/Rivera/Overpaid/Underperfo rming defense. Throw the fans a bone with a QB and we'll go away. We're not that dumb Angelo. But apparently you are.
COCOBEAR
I think you hit the nail squarely on the head!!!

Dang Haugh,
I've often wondered if you guys really pay attention in those interviews, or do you guys just tape them and listen later on. Angelo sold you guys a bill of goods and you guys bought it.
Lets face it the Defense was mediocre at best. And While Angelo paid "handsomely" for that defense, he got "hosed" by the players. Haugh, you media guys should have put Angelo's feet to the fire for his ineptitude, his team's inepititude and his drafting ability.
Angelo's picking on Kyle was mere smoke screen. Unless he gets terribly lucky in the off season, we will be saddled with Orton for awhile. I can't envision Angelo spending big bucks on a QB(he isn't capable of acquiring a top-notch QB- it's not in his DNA).
This team has so many holes, I can see a regression to 7-9 in "09".
ldc

New Bloomfield, PA

#20 Jan 13, 2009
The sky is falling!

Human sacrifice, cats and dogs, living together!

Enough already.

1) If you can get a top tier QB, you get one. People have been complaining for years about the position, but now are sold on Kyle Orton? Please.

2) They won't be able to land, however, a top tier QB. So going after Carr or Leftwich makes sense.

3) And I'm one of those peopel who actually believes Lovie when he says were close.

The team was friggin 9-7 with limited talent and injures.

If Tommie Harris uses Marinelli as a shrink, if Williams comes back healthy and produces and they add a safety, WR and pass rusher through FA and the draft, the team should be right back at it, Orton, McNabb or whoever.

Frankly, what I would like to see happen is the team move Tillman to Safety, Manning full time to CB and see them draft another safety high, along with a pass rusher and OG.

If Hanie is the future, I see no reason to draft a QB high if you sign a vet.

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