Portrait of a beat-up team

Every NFL team gets hit by injuries, but it's hard to deny that the Indianapolis Colts have suffered more than a typical share lately. Full Story
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claw

United States

#1 Nov 16, 2007
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indygrl

Anniston, AL

#2 Nov 16, 2007
claw wrote:
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morning .. colts are having a hard time with all the injuries,, but im going to support them no matter wht ,, remember last yr ,, lost 4 in a row.. what happned next ,, and all those pats fans ,,can save it and go on ..
Steel Curtain

Indianapolis, IN

#3 Nov 16, 2007
Its time for the steel city to shine
Dolts_HATER

United States

#4 Nov 16, 2007
sure....good job...this is what can be expected of the whining Colts...sorry Dolts...so you guys are hit by injuries....moooo....marvin is not there...boooooh....our left tackle(who by the way is rookie) tony is not there....boohoooo...clark is not there....woe is us colts....boohoo...save it...let me present...New England Patriots...the best in the business....Pats receivers for the WHOLE of last season were.......let me think...sorry i cannot recall....YES...they had receivers whose names i cannot seem to recall...and what was the result last season....well they reached the AFC CG...where they lost to you know who....the Dolts....who had marvin, reggie, dallas and addaiiiiiiiiiii...did Pats complain....no sir....this only goes on to show that TB is so much better than PM...can anybody even imagine PM taking last year's Pats to the AFC title game..no welll so long gentlemen.
Major Colts Fan

New Albany, IN

#5 Nov 16, 2007
Dolts_HATER wrote:
sure....good job...this is what can be expected of the whining Colts...sorry Dolts...so you guys are hit by injuries....moooo....marvin is not there...boooooh....our left tackle(who by the way is rookie) tony is not there....boohoooo...clark is not there....woe is us colts....boohoo...save it...let me present...New England Patriots...the best in the business....Pats receivers for the WHOLE of last season were.......let me think...sorry i cannot recall....YES...they had receivers whose names i cannot seem to recall...and what was the result last season....well they reached the AFC CG...where they lost to you know who....the Dolts....who had marvin, reggie, dallas and addaiiiiiiiiiii...did Pats complain....no sir....this only goes on to show that TB is so much better than PM...can anybody even imagine PM taking last year's Pats to the AFC title game..no welll so long gentlemen.
Um, yes the Pats did complain...they whined about the heat being turned up, crowd noise piped in, and whatever else. Once again, another Pats fan that is an idiot and doesn't have the facts.
Steel Curtain

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Nov 16, 2007
Major Colts Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Um, yes the Pats did complain...they whined about the heat being turned up, crowd noise piped in, and whatever else. Once again, another Pats fan that is an idiot and doesn't have the facts.
Listen I am a Steeler fan through and through but I give respect where it is due and the Colts are one of the top contenders for the super bowl but since I have been on here the Patriots fan have proven to be the most unclassy,uneducated fans there is.
Ram

Palatine, IL

#7 Nov 16, 2007
Major Colts Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Um, yes the Pats did complain...they whined about the heat being turned up, crowd noise piped in, and whatever else. Once again, another Pats fan that is an idiot and doesn't have the facts.
oh.. don't be fooled, they have the facts. They are so insecure it's comical. They are afraid somebody is going to come and tke away their candy. They were such a doormat to the Ynakees and Steelers all those years, they are conditioned to react like children in a dysfunctional home.
bagwell368

Westford, MA

#8 Nov 16, 2007
We are insecure? And you keep talking about us? Interesting conclusion.
Every team has injuries. The Pats have had to use an aging WR as a nickel back for several years in a row.
While most quality teams have some real great players #1-8, one reason the Pats are so tough is that they have the best group of #15 -#45 guys - meaning we have depth.
Chances are good that either the Steelers or Colts will come to Foxboro in Jan for the AFC Title Game - that should settle things for a bit.
Have a nice day folks.
bagwell368

Westford, MA

#9 Nov 16, 2007
One thing to consider in the Brady v Manning issue is that between '01 and '06 the Colts had 12 RB/WR/TE appear in the pro bowl, and the Pats have had 2. You have had two obvious HoF players in this group, we did have 1, but he's going in as a Bengal.
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One might conclude that Manning elevated his guys.
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However the actual reason is the Colts spend the most $ on offensive players of any team in the league (about 70% on average), and Pats are somewhat heavy on the D (55%) until this year. So, Manning has been reaping the benefits of a talented group since about the time Brady got in the league or a little before.
Brady has been holding the fort, and now has players of excellence on O, and is shredding most of the major QB records in a way that everyone would have scoffed at coming into this year.
So, take the fan hat off, put the logic hat on, and tell me how objectively anybody could see Manning as better then Brady? And please before you quote records consider the extra years Manning has had in the league, and the riches he has had in targets (Brady has Faulk to throw to, every one of the four major backs Manning has had have had great talent as wide outs).
Now Manning has a level of skill in his WR/TE/RB more comparable to Bradys pre '07 years, and what is the result? Less numbers, and almost for sure no ring this year.
pats fan

Somerville, MA

#10 Nov 16, 2007
what a bunch of whiners. The pats had tons of injuries in their superbowl years...we never whined. Too bad though, i was hoping we'd beat your best in January.
Terry

Keene, NH

#11 Nov 16, 2007
Bagwell - Methinks you got a bit wordy for these fine folks.

Perhaps you should have just said: What part of the phrase "three super bowl rings and counting" don't you understand?

(Whoops - I just said that myself.)
the NFL is fixed

Louisville, KY

#12 Nov 16, 2007
Major Colts Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Um, yes the Pats did complain...they whined about the heat being turned up, crowd noise piped in, and whatever else. Once again, another Pats fan that is an idiot and doesn't have the facts.
Feel free to quote NE players complaining about those circumstances.
Note, players not fans.
Last year, Schottenheimer tried to make an excuse for the Pats after the Chargers beat them in Foxborough, and Brady basically told him to shut it.
Brady goes to war with his guys, and respects the effort the give.
Manning whimpers about needing to get guys back.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#13 Nov 17, 2007
Dolts_HATER wrote:
sure....good job...this is what can be expected of the whining Colts...sorry Dolts...blah blah blah blah.
Here we go! More Patsy losers posting about the Colts. Remember, the New England Cheaters are losers no matter what. So go ahead and go 16-0, and watch most of the nation think "Patriots suck".

Colts win the SB and the nation goes "that's a great win for a great team and a great QB".

Keep posting Patsies!

This just in... "Patsies suck".

Since: Dec 06

United States

#14 Nov 17, 2007
the NFL is fixed wrote:
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Feel free to quote NE players complaining about those circumstances. blah blah blah
Brady is a baby who rips his chinstrap off if anything doesn't go his way. Even when his sucky team is stacking the points, he still whines to the officials and acts all huffy.

That is one classless team, folks.

More late breaking news: Patsies still suck.

How about a Patsies SB with an asterisk next to it:

Patriots win 2007 SB*

*=By cheating once again

Since: Dec 06

United States

#15 Nov 17, 2007
Terry wrote:
Bagwell - Methinks you got a bit wordy for these fine folks. blah blah
What part of "breaking NFL rules by recording defensive signals for many years and then winning the three SB's by a slim margin" do you not understand.

Classless cheaters with a whole chunk of misguided fans.

I gotta tell ya - if Dungy was found to be cheating, I'd be the first to say "shame on him". But oh, not in NE. There they say "who cares?".

That stigma of cheating is going to stay there until Bellicheat leaves NE - and that won't be for a while. So get used to it.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#16 Nov 17, 2007
pats fan wrote:
what a bunch of blah blah blah.
Oh right. Patriots are not whiners. Let's see: Oh oh! The RCA dome is too loud! Oh oh! All the calls are bogus! Oh oh! We're just playing hard football, please don't accuse us of running up the score. Oh oh! We were *confused* by the rules. We had no idea.[Bob Kraft]- oh oh! I had NO idea we were cheating.

Shyah right. As I've said before, Patriots will stay losers no matter what. Think of yourselves as a team of Barry Bonds. Sure, technically you can play the game. But ethically, you are face down in the mud. And that outshines any SB wins.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#17 Nov 17, 2007
bagwell368 wrote:
One thing to consider in the Brady v Manning ...
Whether you like it or not, as a football fan and not a Colts or Patriots fan, you HAVE to wonder what recording the defensive signals did for the Patriots. If in NASCAR someone found a racer using a higher octane of gas for many years, breaking the rules, that that person was the points champion for three years, you KNOW people would be asking whether it had an impact. Sure you could quote that winning a NASCAR race is more than just about fuel. But you would have to ask the question. And that's an important parallel to the Pats. How long have they recorded signals? How useful were they actually? What other things have they done? No one will know for sure. The SB's they won were very close. It's a complicated game that usually doesn't hinge on one or two facets. However, if you're able to predict defensive strategy because of tapes, 50 % of the time - that may buy you some extra first downs and some additional time in the redzone.

But when there's any discussion about this with a Pats fan, it's always "oh no no!" or "everyone does it!" or they just get angry and walk away.

And I gotta tell you, if the roles were reversed and it was the Colts with 3 SB's who were accused of cheating, even being a die-hard Colts fan, I would shake my head and have to say "it sure does cast a shadow on our team". But these fanatical Patriots fans just can't be ethical about the whole thing.

So honestly, it's hard to draw a comparison. We'll see in Foxboro in January (if that's where the next battle is held). This last time, the Colts had a golden opportunity, and yes they were down a few players, but the for 3 full quarters they dominated the undefeatable Pats. And then the Colts broke down.

By the way, if you did put the "cheating" aside, I would have to say we are lucky to be watching the NFL in another era where great teams like the Packers, Colts, Cowboys are playing. 20 years from now, when Brady, Manning and Romo are gone, we'll miss seeing them play.
PatsFanBob

Sarasota, FL

#18 Nov 17, 2007
You dolt writers and fans are pathetic! What a wimpy piece of dribble. Maybe the Patriots and Steelers should only play with 9 players on each side of the ball. To F-ing bad you have players hurt. So doesn't everyone else. Suck it up and stop your whining. BABIES!
bob

Rome, NY

#19 Nov 17, 2007
ok at first i tried to educate some of you about the rule break and how it had no effect, how the nfl didn't consider it cheating and the difference etc.

now however i am starting to think you are all just plain dumb.

the nascar parallel doesnt work because better fual EFFECTS THE RACE AT HAND AND ITS ILLEGAL TO HAVE A FUAL OTHERS DONT HAVE.

for the millonth time IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO HAVE SIGNALS, it was about camera placement. even if it was illegal (WHICH ITS NOT) the patriots COULD NOT HAVE USED THE TAPES IN THE GAME.

because:

1) the tapes were taken in the 1st quarter.

2) it would not have been used till the next time you play the same team. there is simply not enough time to gather, decifer, plan and use a tape in the same game it was filmed.

3) teams alway change their signals, specially if they face a team twice, if they dont they are stupid. so the signals wouldnt matter even if it was illegal, which again ITS NOT!!

if you cant grasp that go get your mother to explain it to you .
Bill from Orlando wrote:
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Whether you like it or not, as a football fan and not a Colts or Patriots fan, you HAVE to wonder what recording the defensive signals did for the Patriots. If in NASCAR someone found a racer using a higher octane of gas for many years, breaking the rules, that that person was the points champion for three years, you KNOW people would be asking whether it had an impact. Sure you could quote that winning a NASCAR race is more than just about fuel. But you would have to ask the question. And that's an important parallel to the Pats. How long have they recorded signals? How useful were they actually? What other things have they done? No one will know for sure. The SB's they won were very close. It's a complicated game that usually doesn't hinge on one or two facets. However, if you're able to predict defensive strategy because of tapes, 50 % of the time - that may buy you some extra first downs and some additional time in the redzone.
But when there's any discussion about this with a Pats fan, it's always "oh no no!" or "everyone does it!" or they just get angry and walk away.
And I gotta tell you, if the roles were reversed and it was the Colts with 3 SB's who were accused of cheating, even being a die-hard Colts fan, I would shake my head and have to say "it sure does cast a shadow on our team". But these fanatical Patriots fans just can't be ethical about the whole thing.
So honestly, it's hard to draw a comparison. We'll see in Foxboro in January (if that's where the next battle is held). This last time, the Colts had a golden opportunity, and yes they were down a few players, but the for 3 full quarters they dominated the undefeatable Pats. And then the Colts broke down.
By the way, if you did put the "cheating" aside, I would have to say we are lucky to be watching the NFL in another era where great teams like the Packers, Colts, Cowboys are playing. 20 years from now, when Brady, Manning and Romo are gone, we'll miss seeing them play.
bob

Rome, NY

#20 Nov 17, 2007
how come when talking about last years playoffs and the colts win, i never hear any colts fan saying that the pats were down because of injuries? yet when you talk about the pats winning you ALWAYS mention the colts injuries? just curious, why is that?
Bill from Orlando wrote:
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Whether you like it or not, as a football fan and not a Colts or Patriots fan, you HAVE to wonder what recording the defensive signals did for the Patriots. If in NASCAR someone found a racer using a higher octane of gas for many years, breaking the rules, that that person was the points champion for three years, you KNOW people would be asking whether it had an impact. Sure you could quote that winning a NASCAR race is more than just about fuel. But you would have to ask the question. And that's an important parallel to the Pats. How long have they recorded signals? How useful were they actually? What other things have they done? No one will know for sure. The SB's they won were very close. It's a complicated game that usually doesn't hinge on one or two facets. However, if you're able to predict defensive strategy because of tapes, 50 % of the time - that may buy you some extra first downs and some additional time in the redzone.
But when there's any discussion about this with a Pats fan, it's always "oh no no!" or "everyone does it!" or they just get angry and walk away.
And I gotta tell you, if the roles were reversed and it was the Colts with 3 SB's who were accused of cheating, even being a die-hard Colts fan, I would shake my head and have to say "it sure does cast a shadow on our team". But these fanatical Patriots fans just can't be ethical about the whole thing.
So honestly, it's hard to draw a comparison. We'll see in Foxboro in January (if that's where the next battle is held). This last time, the Colts had a golden opportunity, and yes they were down a few players, but the for 3 full quarters they dominated the undefeatable Pats. And then the Colts broke down.
By the way, if you did put the "cheating" aside, I would have to say we are lucky to be watching the NFL in another era where great teams like the Packers, Colts, Cowboys are playing. 20 years from now, when Brady, Manning and Romo are gone, we'll miss seeing them play.

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