Perfectly coached

Perfectly coached

There are 13 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Jan 21, 2008, titled Perfectly coached. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

On the day when the New England Patriots took the biggest step on their path to a perfect season, they were less than perfect.

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Motorhead Fan

Richmond, VA

#1 Jan 21, 2008
Go figure, a guy who gets caught and penalized for cheating gets coach of the year. DAMN, there's another award that's just lost its respectability.

It's one thing to go 16 - 0 the hard way. It is another to have a little help.

The Patriots are 15 wins, 0 losses and 1 cheating scandal
Roy

Lincolnville, ME

#2 Jan 21, 2008
Tom Brady played his worst game of the season yesterday and the Pats still won. I seriously doubt he will be that bad again and I don't think the Giants will be able to come nearly as close as they did in week 17.
Still, thats why they play the games and I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Jonathan

Chelmsford, MA

#3 Jan 21, 2008
motorhead fan,

You can complain about how taping the defensive signals helped in previous years but not _this_ year.

This year they were carefully watched thanks to getting caught in the first quarter of the first game of the year.

And yes, Belichick is both a good coach and a video taping, control freak :-) It's just reality for humans: we all have flaws. Perfect seasons don't imply perfect people.
The Razor

Mahwah, NJ

#4 Jan 21, 2008
Hey Motorhead, your ignorance shows that you know nothing about football. BB broke the rules but he did not cheat the entire season. He was fined and penalized for breaking the rules. The NFL investigation confiscated everything they had and it was determined that they should be penalized. Done. Case closed. Justice served. Lets move on. Why don't you just admit that the Pats are now 18-0? No cameras. No smoke and mirrors. They defeated the elite teams (Colts, Cowboys, Giants) in the regular season fair and square. Sure they had a little luck on their side once in a while (vs. Ravens) but Brady and Co. have been outstanding. 50 TD passes...Just look at the stats man. It all comes down to playing football at the end of the day.
patsfan111111

Lady Lake, FL

#5 Jan 21, 2008
Motorhead Fan wrote:
Go figure, a guy who gets caught and penalized for cheating gets coach of the year. DAMN, there's another award that's just lost its respectability.
It's one thing to go 16 - 0 the hard way. It is another to have a little help.
The Patriots are 15 wins, 0 losses and 1 cheating scandal
i would really like to see this posted where it really mattered before i give you any credibility for your statement. if you can please provide legitimate proof they won any game this year by cheating your statement will get some respect. but since not one opposing player, coach, ball boy, hot dog vendor, equipment manager, cheerleader, front row fan, camera shot or commentator has caught the pats cheating, your words hold no validity.

Since: Sep 07

Midlothian, Virginia

#6 Jan 21, 2008
patsfan111111 wrote:
<quoted text>i would really like to see this posted where it really mattered before i give you any credibility for your statement. if you can please provide legitimate proof they won any game this year by cheating your statement will get some respect. but since not one opposing player, coach, ball boy, hot dog vendor, equipment manager, cheerleader, front row fan, camera shot or commentator has caught the pats cheating, your words hold no validity.
Cheating is cheating. Taping the defensive coaches of the New York Jets was cheating - otherwise, the league would not have taken significant punitive action against the Patriots* and their coach.

This is the National Football League. A PROFESSIONAL football league. I would imagine that integrity is an integral part of winning coaches awards.

As for Razor, I must say that breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage is traditionally considered cheating - you must be a product of the Bill Clinton years. I don't care who does it, Bill Belichick or Brian Billick.

Patsfan111111, I don't give you any credibility either. Nobody wants to hear their baby is ugly, so, I know you are spiritually vested in your home town team. I might take stock in something you had to say if, maybe, you were Jetsfan11111.

The Patriots have a great team and a great coach. It is too bad they get an asterik for cheating in the hearts of so many fans.
Attila the Hon

United States

#7 Jan 21, 2008
The Baltimore Sun's AFC Championship Match article written by a writer from the CHICAGO TRIBUNE? Thousands of years of civilization flushed down the toilet. Sam Zell, before you unload Wrigley Field and the Chicago Cubs, please sell the Sun now.
patsfan111111

Lady Lake, FL

#8 Jan 21, 2008
Motorhead Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Cheating is cheating. Taping the defensive coaches of the New York Jets was cheating - otherwise, the league would not have taken significant punitive action against the Patriots* and their coach.
This is the National Football League. A PROFESSIONAL football league. I would imagine that integrity is an integral part of winning coaches awards.
As for Razor, I must say that breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage is traditionally considered cheating - you must be a product of the Bill Clinton years. I don't care who does it, Bill Belichick or Brian Billick.
Patsfan111111, I don't give you any credibility either. Nobody wants to hear their baby is ugly, so, I know you are spiritually vested in your home town team. I might take stock in something you had to say if, maybe, you were Jetsfan11111.
The Patriots have a great team and a great coach. It is too bad they get an asterik for cheating in the hearts of so many fans.
you are an f-ing moron. its not illegal, nor has it ever been, to tape defensive signals. if you were to say they got caught tapping the line to the qb's huddle you may have a point but they didnt do that. you dont take stock in what i have to say because you havent read up on what i have said to know i am absolutely right. the rule book has a one sentence rule that they violated. with your inferior mind even the one sentence should be simple enough for you to understand.
also getting your dick wet in the oval office may constitute cheating on your wife but it is nowhere near this. they put a camera in an unauthorized location. they never got in trouble for what was on the tape because everything is fair game to tape. signals and all. go read the nfl rule book so you can finally put this to bed or you can stay here and sound foolish because its extremely clear you have not done any research on the subject other than to regurgitate don shula and earl campbell. for the record, the jets did the same thing in foxboro last year but from an authorized location with permission. also if this were the jets, chargers or any other team in the league that could have been caught for the exact same thing, since we all know other teams were doing it, i would be defending them as well. you are really that stupid to think watching something on tv just directly allows you to walk out on the field and execute perfectly? if you were right then tom brady would have played the last 7 years without ever calling an audible, not getting a first down, never getting sacked, throwing one pick and would have scored a touchdown on every play since 2001. pretty sure that didnt happen. so last but not least. YOU DONT STOP CHEATING AND GET BETTER YOU IMBESILE. there hasnt been one accusation of this rule violation since the tape in the first quarter of the first game that they never got to watch anyway was confiscated. therefore their 18-0 record stands. period. not to mention the commissioner himself never called it cheating because he knows nowhere in the rule book does it say you cant film signals.
but i will give you one shot to prove this. see i only respond and admit wrong when you prove me wrong. find the exact rule in the nfl rule book. come here and cite the number of the rule where it explicitly says you cant film signals and i will digress. its that easy. i am giving you a giant door to prove all of new england wrong right now. go find the rule in the book. google and cite it. i try not to be so arrogant but when people keep saying stupid things with no fact i have no choice. just tell me what rule in the book says they cant do it and i promise you we will all go away. go get it tough guy. its going to be a while since it doesnt exist so i dont expect to hear from you ever again.
Fed up in Towson

Towson, MD

#9 Jan 21, 2008
I guess the league just fined the coach and the team hundreds of thousands of dollars for fun, right? Those forfeited draft picks didn't really mean anything, huh?

Funny how the only ones whining about any criticism are from north of here. If the Pats didn't do anything wrong, then why did the league implement one of the largest penalties in its history?

Here's my own award for Belichick:

*
Tom A

Essex, MA

#10 Jan 21, 2008
"Cheaters, Cheaters, Cheaters"
"Asterisk, Asterisk, Asterisk"

The mantra of the ignorant.
patsfan111111

Lady Lake, FL

#11 Jan 21, 2008
Fed up in Towson wrote:
I guess the league just fined the coach and the team hundreds of thousands of dollars for fun, right? Those forfeited draft picks didn't really mean anything, huh?
Funny how the only ones whining about any criticism are from north of here. If the Pats didn't do anything wrong, then why did the league implement one of the largest penalties in its history?
Here's my own award for Belichick:
*
wow you cant listen to a broadcast and you cant read a post. what the hell are you doing here. none of us are saying the pats didnt do anything wrong. we are saying what they did wasnt cheating. its illegal to tape FROM THE SIDELINES, not illegal to tape anything on the sidelines. they could have filmed the same signals from the appropriate location and none of this would have ever been a problem. they broke the rule that said you cant film anything from the sidelines. thats it. if they were filming the cheerleader routines from the sidelines they would have been in violation of the same rule. its as simple as doing your research before you post. taping signals has NEVER been illegal.
Fed up in Towson

Towson, MD

#12 Jan 21, 2008
patsfan111111 wrote:
<quoted text>wow you cant listen to a broadcast and you cant read a post. what the hell are you doing here. none of us are saying the pats didnt do anything wrong. we are saying what they did wasnt cheating. its illegal to tape FROM THE SIDELINES, not illegal to tape anything on the sidelines. they could have filmed the same signals from the appropriate location and none of this would have ever been a problem. they broke the rule that said you cant film anything from the sidelines. thats it. if they were filming the cheerleader routines from the sidelines they would have been in violation of the same rule. its as simple as doing your research before you post. taping signals has NEVER been illegal.
Yeah, it's too bad the Coach of the Year put you Pats* fans in a position where no matter what your team does, they are labeled as cheaters. Too bad. What could have been ...

Since: Sep 07

Midlothian, Virginia

#14 Jan 21, 2008
Patsfan1111 is giving me ONE CHANCE to prove him wrong. Since he can't think straight and is an apologist for his home town team, it is a waste of time, regardless of how many facts you present. What a f*ckin' homer! Cheating is cheating skippy. You guys got caught and the vast majority of the folks who are football fans know you guys cheated. You Cheatriots fans are so blinded by your homer sensibilities you parse your teams' cheating actions like Bill Clinton in a deposition.

Hell, patsfan1111, the Patriots* fans who aplogize for this sh*t deserve an * too. I hear they're naming a new Ford car after the Patriots, it's called the Asterik, its a MiniVan so all of you little johnsons can tailgate with chowder, some steamers and Human Growth Hormone.(Don't forget to videotape the pahty for us).

But for all of you other straight thinkers, it seems to me that if the Patriots* weren't CHEATING, there wouldn't have been fines for their actions and losses of draft picks. That sounds like punitive action for illegal behavior - what many of us who don't live near a Legals' Seafood and a giant Citgo sign call CHEATING. You don't get fined and lose draft picks when you make just a little, tiny mistake. No, this was big, this story ran its course over several news cycles. And sweat nuts like patsfan1.5 wants to pass it off like it was nothing. pssshheeeet.

P*ssfan11111 wants to deflect this to the behavior of other teams and coaches. All I know is about the team and coach that got caught and got fined and lost draft picks because they were cheating. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I give you.......

THE NEW ENGLAND CHEATRIOTS*

I can see it all now:

THE NEW ENGLAND CHEATRIOTS* 2007 WORLD CHAMPIONS**

It will be the most irrelevant and tarnished championship in NFL history to anyone who isn't a Patriots fan in the advanced stages of syphyllis.

....unless of course you guys choke out to the Giants.

GO NY GIANTS! I normally wouldn't root for the Giants, but, they're the only team playing in this year's Super Bowl who hasn't been caught cheating in the 2007 season.

By the way, somebody tell Belichick to dress like an adult for the Superbowl. That 12 year old Kurt Cobain look is tiresome and diminishes the meaning of the Superbowl almost as much as having cheaters playing in it.

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