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Patriots Won, But Lost Some Of Their Aura Of Invincibility

There are 48 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Nov 27, 2007, titled Patriots Won, But Lost Some Of Their Aura Of Invincibility. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

The private conversation lasted about 10 minutes, and other than some animated facial expressions by Brady there didn't seem to be anything unusual about the exchange.

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emily

West Palm Beach, FL

#1 Nov 27, 2007
i think the patriots will win for suore!!!!!!!!!!
tommiller4025

Carson City, NV

#2 Nov 27, 2007
Just because the Pats have beaten other teams badly doesn't mean they are invincible. Why is it that only the sports jounalists are the ones who hype this up and the players and the Coach are taking it one game at a time??
Bob

United States

#3 Nov 27, 2007
am i the only one who thinks the pats can't win in the eyes of the fans this year? if they win big they are running up the score, cheaters. if they just win they become vulnerable.

what they can't just have a bad game, did you see all the dropped balls?

they can't just play without emotion for a game?

they can't have a team come in who is pis**d because of the point spread and plays them harder than they normally would?

they can't have a team come in who matches up is some ways and causes some problems?

no matter what happen and what they do the fans will be unhappy, well fans that aren't pats fans that is.
Bob

United States

#4 Nov 27, 2007
by the way the pats activated troy brown, lost R. Colvin for the year and they resigned chad brown.
Pats Apologist

United States

#5 Nov 27, 2007
The same way the press was the only thing keeping "cameraplacementgate " alive.

Overblown, innaccurate, and false, but a great story...

That is the halmark of the press.
skidrow wilson

United States

#6 Nov 27, 2007
Bob wrote:
by the way the pats activated troy brown, lost R. Colvin for the year and they resigned chad brown.
...was it just me or did Colvin play horribly the other night? missed a clear tackle for fifteen yds...overall real slow...?
bob

Millville, NJ

#7 Nov 27, 2007
he was but this injury might have had something to do with it.
patsfan111111

Summerfield, FL

#8 Nov 28, 2007
Bob wrote:
by the way the pats activated troy brown, lost R. Colvin for the year and they resigned chad brown.
that doesnt matter because the pats are like that, they can lose a key guy and just replace him instantly. thats why they are so good because aside from an injury to brady everyone else can be replaced which keeps them fresh. they are the only team ive seen this year who can still constantly blitz through the end of the game and actually get pressure. why, because they get rest during the game. not only from the offense being on the field a long time but also they are deep so they can sit out several plays and not worry about giving up huge plays. they had a bad game against the eagles and still won. i know they arent happy so look for a much wider margin of victory monday night.
Doug

Tallahassee, FL

#9 Nov 29, 2007
Even though there seems to be a break in the Force Field of Invincibility, I believe they will build it back. The rest of the patriots schedule is about 50-50. Jets and Dolphins, no problem. Even if there is an upset, it will in no way effect them getting into the playoffs, besides the fans getting made fun of for them losing to such a horrible team. Thats beside the point. Even though they have the Steelers and Giants to deal with in the future, I believe they will pull it off and resurrect the impossible undefeated season believed to be achieveable only by the 72' Dolphins. The playoffs will be tough. But, with the type of team they have, I smell another Super Bowl win in the making for the Pats.
40 Plus Years a Pats Fan

United States

#10 Nov 29, 2007
While watching the Eagles and Patriots in the Sunday night game I noticed yet again, that at 39 seconds left in the first half, second down and one at the 22 yard line, Randy Moss went out for an 8 yard pass and Lido Shepard had Randy Moss by the jersey and ripped his jersey off his shoulder pads. Not only did Shepard completely maul him 8 yards down field he also did it while the ball was in the air…
First, is this a legal play, I didn’t think it was…
Second, if it is not why do the ref’s let this manipulation go?
Thirdly, why is it acceptable for a defensive back to completely mangle Randy Moss even after the five yard rule, but then once in the end zone Randy gets call for “offensive pass interference” even when the defensive back is also grabbing and hold him? AND even Madden said '"I didn't see any interference" and Al agreed with him.

I never see “offensive pass interference” called on another team when the Patriots are on defense…a.k.a. The Patriots against the Colts with 10:09 left in the first, and Harrison got tackled in the end zone by Clark “A good no call”!
40 Plus Years a Pats Fan

United States

#11 Nov 29, 2007
While watching the Eagles and Patriots in the Sunday night game I noticed yet again, that at 39 seconds left in the first half, second down and one at the 22 yard line, Randy Moss went out for an 8 yard pass and Lido Shepard had Randy Moss by the jersey and ripped his jersey off his shoulder pads. Not only did Shepard completely maul him 8 yards down field he also did it while the ball was in the air.
First, is this a legal play, I didn't think it was
Second, if it is not why do the ref's let this manipulation go?
Thirdly, why is it acceptable for a defensive back to completely mangle Randy Moss even after the five yard rule, but then once in the end zone Randy gets call for offensive pass interference even when the defensive back is also grabbing and hold him? AND even Madden said 'I didn't see any interference' and Al agreed with him.
I never see offensive pass interference called on another team when the Patriots are on defense i.e. The Patriots against the Colts with 10:09 left in the first, and Harrison got tackled in the end zone by Clark. Phi; Simms stated " A good no call! Is this a biaed statement or WHAT!?!?!?
bob

United States

#12 Nov 29, 2007
i agree and as a one time season ticket holder, i do follow them. my post was just an fyi for those who might not yet have heard the news on the players i mentioned.
patsfan111111 wrote:
<quoted text>that doesnt matter because the pats are like that, they can lose a key guy and just replace him instantly. thats why they are so good because aside from an injury to brady everyone else can be replaced which keeps them fresh. they are the only team ive seen this year who can still constantly blitz through the end of the game and actually get pressure. why, because they get rest during the game. not only from the offense being on the field a long time but also they are deep so they can sit out several plays and not worry about giving up huge plays. they had a bad game against the eagles and still won. i know they arent happy so look for a much wider margin of victory monday night.
skidrow wilson

United States

#13 Nov 29, 2007
40 Plus Years a Pats Fan wrote:
While watching the Eagles and Patriots in the Sunday night game I noticed yet again, that at 39 seconds left in the first half, second down and one at the 22 yard line, Randy Moss went out for an 8 yard pass and Lido Shepard had Randy Moss by the jersey and ripped his jersey off his shoulder pads. Not only did Shepard completely maul him 8 yards down field he also did it while the ball was in the air.

First, is this a legal play, I didn't think it was
Second, if it is not why do the ref's let this manipulation go?
Thirdly, why is it acceptable for a defensive back to completely mangle Randy Moss even after the five yard rule, but then once in the end zone Randy gets call for offensive pass interference even when the defensive back is also grabbing and hold him? AND even Madden said 'I didn't see any interference' and Al agreed with him.
I never see offensive pass interference called on another team when the Patriots are on defense i.e. The Patriots against the Colts with 10:09 left in the first, and Harrison got tackled in the end zone by Clark. Phi; Simms stated " A good no call! Is this a biaed statement or WHAT!?!?!?
...You know what...you're right, these are times when I truly ask myself if it's all on the up and up...or if it's rigged.

I know that it's really not(It couldn't be right?) but you really do think it, when it's your team. Let's just be thankful that those calls have still yet to cost us a game. The bigger question is...what repurcussions do these refs see for this "poor" work You or I would be fired for that kind of "shyte" work.
newanarchy

Dallas, TX

#14 Nov 29, 2007
skidrow wilson wrote:
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...You know what...you're right, these are times when I truly ask myself if it's all on the up and up...or if it's rigged.
I know that it's really not(It couldn't be right?) but you really do think it, when it's your team. Let's just be thankful that those calls have still yet to cost us a game. The bigger question is...what repurcussions do these refs see for this "poor" work You or I would be fired for that kind of "shyte" work.
There was an example of the fixed game tonight. The NFL rewarded Jerry Jones with a win against the Packers for all his hard work in the battle between the NFL Network and the cable companies. The calls in the game were atrocious, from the Packers early interception being taken away from them in the first quarter to the bogus pass interference call against the Packers in the 4th quarter. Sure your offensive line looks good and the quarterback has all the time in the world WHEN YOU OFFENSIVE LINE GETS AWAY WITH HOLDING ON EVERY OTHER PLAY. I'm starting to think the league is really run by Vince McMahon.
skidrow wilson

Glendale, CA

#15 Nov 30, 2007
newanarchy wrote:
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There was an example of the fixed game tonight. The NFL rewarded Jerry Jones with a win against the Packers for all his hard work in the battle between the NFL Network and the cable companies. The calls in the game were atrocious, from the Packers early interception being taken away from them...I'm starting to think the league is really run by Vince McMahon.
Vince McMahon...lol...good one, you do wonder???
Yea sorry to see that happen to you guys...I think you're still going to the Bowl however, Favre will be back (great news for you on the BACKUP though...geez looked a little "Brady-like" out there. Take the cowgals out in the playoffs ...you should have seen all the obnoxious fans i saw the other night go silent when TO dropped the ball in the endzone for the INT.
newanarchy

Dallas, TX

#16 Nov 30, 2007
skidrow wilson wrote:
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Vince McMahon...lol...good one, you do wonder???
Yea sorry to see that happen to you guys...I think you're still going to the Bowl however, Favre will be back (great news for you on the BACKUP though...geez looked a little "Brady-like" out there. Take the cowgals out in the playoffs ...you should have seen all the obnoxious fans i saw the other night go silent when TO dropped the ball in the endzone for the INT.
I'm not a Packer fan, sorry if the post mislead you. I just can't stand when this stuff happens and it seems to happen in the Cowboys favor A LOT.
psatsfan111111

Orlando, FL

#17 Nov 30, 2007
skidrow wilson wrote:
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...You know what...you're right, these are times when I truly ask myself if it's all on the up and up...or if it's rigged.
I know that it's really not(It couldn't be right?) but you really do think it, when it's your team. Let's just be thankful that those calls have still yet to cost us a game. The bigger question is...what repurcussions do these refs see for this "poor" work You or I would be fired for that kind of "shyte" work.
if anything the pats are going to have every questionable call go against them because deep down i dont think the league wants an undefeated team. if that happens then it kind of puts a damper on the whole parody thing they are trying to accomplish. i dont think they will go to the extreme to cost them games but its clearly a bias officiating crew week after week when the pats play. hey maybe its the whole referee fraternity. it seems like every game i watch the refs are making clearly bad calls. can the league just be hiring bigger idiots? jeez the packers lost the game thursday because of bad officiating. im not one to blame the refs when a team loses but that game had 5-6 blatently bad calls that allowed the cowboys to continue driving and score. that bs with t.o. getting the ball stripped by harris and the refs claimed they blew it dead. the replay even shows the ref blowing the whistle after harris had the ball. there were also a few other bad calls like that 50 yd pass interference call in the second half that was clearly incidental contact but was called anyway. i hope the league isnt going to allow the refs to decide games with bias calls. i think they should go back to the old days and let the coaches challenge anything they want as many times as they want. it may make the game longer but atleast it would keep the refs in check.
skidrow wilson

United States

#18 Nov 30, 2007
psatsfan111111 wrote:
<quoted text>if anything the pats are going to have every questionable call go against them because deep down i dont think the league wants an undefeated team. if that happens then it kind of puts a damper on the whole parody thing they are trying to accomplish. i dont think they will go to the extreme to cost them games but its clearly a bias officiating crew week after week when the pats play. hey maybe its the whole referee fraternity. it seems like every game i watch the refs are making clearly bad calls. can the league just be hiring bigger idiots? jeez the packers lost the game thursday because of bad officiating. im not one to blame the refs when a team loses but that game had 5-6 blatently bad calls that allowed the cowboys to continue driving and score. that bs with t.o. getting the ball stripped by harris and the refs claimed they blew it dead. the replay even shows the ref blowing the whistle after harris had the ball. there were also a few other bad calls like that 50 yd pass interference call in the second half that was clearly incidental contact but was called anyway. i hope the league isnt going to allow the refs to decide games with bias calls. i think they should go back to the old days and let the coaches challenge anything they want as many times as they want. it may make the game longer but atleast it would keep the refs in check.
There really needs to be a website that will go over these calls the next day. Use all the angles you can get and force the issue to the league. The league clearly thinks the fans will never question this bs. I cannot be alone in saying that I would like to see these guys canned for poor work. With all the revenue at stake in these games they are clearly not up to the level of our expectations. They can keep games close if they want/Vegas??? When was the last time we heard of any linesman or ref being fired?
newanarchy

Dallas, TX

#19 Nov 30, 2007
psatsfan111111 wrote:
<quoted text>if anything the pats are going to have every questionable call go against them because deep down i dont think the league wants an undefeated team. if that happens then it kind of puts a damper on the whole parody thing they are trying to accomplish. i dont think they will go to the extreme to cost them games but its clearly a bias officiating crew week after week when the pats play. hey maybe its the whole referee fraternity. it seems like every game i watch the refs are making clearly bad calls. can the league just be hiring bigger idiots? jeez the packers lost the game thursday because of bad officiating. im not one to blame the refs when a team loses but that game had 5-6 blatently bad calls that allowed the cowboys to continue driving and score. that bs with t.o. getting the ball stripped by harris and the refs claimed they blew it dead. the replay even shows the ref blowing the whistle after harris had the ball. there were also a few other bad calls like that 50 yd pass interference call in the second half that was clearly incidental contact but was called anyway. i hope the league isnt going to allow the refs to decide games with bias calls. i think they should go back to the old days and let the coaches challenge anything they want as many times as they want. it may make the game longer but atleast it would keep the refs in check.
If I were you I would really worry about facing the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I wouldn't put it past the league to have the "good guy" Cowboys beat the "bad boy" Patriots. I'm starting to believe that the F in NFL stands for Fixed, Fake or Fraud, take you pick.
patsfan111111

Orlando, FL

#20 Nov 30, 2007
newanarchy wrote:
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If I were you I would really worry about facing the Cowboys in the Super Bowl, I wouldn't put it past the league to have the "good guy" Cowboys beat the "bad boy" Patriots. I'm starting to believe that the F in NFL stands for Fixed, Fake or Fraud, take you pick.
im not worried about a team that has almost zero playoff experience from the head coach down. romo has one playoff game experience and if it werent for some really bad calls by the refs in favor of the cowboys thursday, they would have lost.
i also like how you think the cowboys are just getting astronomically better every week and all other teams stay at the same playing level. last i checked we destroyed buffalo 56-10 and had 0 turnovers and when your savior romo played them he had what, 5 or 6 picks and 7 turnovers? that game meant absolutely nothing in the overall scope of things and should have lost. my point being the patriots make you pay for every mistake you make and they dont give up leads in the second half. the pats are still getting better and better and they probably will face the cowboys in the superbowl since there is only one team in the entire nfc that is considered competition. they will get there the same way the bears did last year. not having to face any real competition in the playoffs. unfortunately that gives the cowboys a disadvantage when they go through weak competition and then have to face a far superior team in the pats under pressure romo or wade phillips has ever had to endure.

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