Starting QB job appears to be a two Chad race

It appears the Dolphins ' starting quarterback job is down to the team's two Chad's. The Dolphins continue to give the bulk of practice snaps to recently signed veteran Chad Pennington and rookie Chad Henne. Full Story
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Armchair Analyst

Depew, NY

#22 Aug 21, 2008
marinofan13 wrote:
Rumor has it that the Cowboys are talking to us about Beck and I'm NOT KIDDING. If the trifecta is not interested in retaining Beck, DO NOT CUT HIM... trade for draft picks.
Personally, I'd rather see McCown traded and Beck kept here. By my clock, Beck is still a rookie and we don't know what we have in him yet. It's premature to write him off as of right now. Thoughts?
I agree Beck should be retained and McCown traded, but I don't think the Trifecta will see it that way. Let's face: You're not going to get much for McCown in the way of compensation. He is what he is and has very little upside. At this pt, Beck is still a mystery and much easier I would think to sell the idea that he'll improve with solid coaching and the proper offensive system. To me, his problems are mostly mental and I think that can be corrected--which is the reason why I say he should be kept and, at the same time, is the reason why he won't be. This regime covets draft picks and will do whatever they can to secure more of them. If I'm right and Beck is eventually on the way out, my idea would be to hang on to him until either some team's QB goes down in mid-season and they become despperate or even until draft time next yr when you might be able to make a deal and get more value, pssoibly as part of a package. The difficulty with that scenario is now Beck is "damaged goods" and the whole league knows it, so they won't get much for him. The only way would be to 'rehabilitate' his market value by giving him more reps--at least enough to flash the potential and provide the hope he can be salvaged, which is going to be hard to do if he's relegated to "mop up" duty and always with the 2nd team. But, obviously, if they've decided that the Chads are the ones they want in games, then they have to give them the reps to prepare. It's kind of a catch-22.

I still won't be surprised, however, if Beck goes to another team willing to make the investment and turns into a good player. In my mind, though, it would probably require another season backing up an established vet and giving Beck a fresh chance next TC.
Armchair Analyst

Depew, NY

#23 Aug 21, 2008
Wild Bill wrote:
Your future is already set in Henne its just a matter of one seasoning until he takes over. Chad P. will eventually become the backup if he is able to live with that.
This year they will keep three in the event Chad P. gets hurt (always a possiblity with his history). By next year you can afford to look at quarterbacks in the fourth and fifth rounds for development.
Beck should be traded, being realistic about it ( a fifth round). McGowan you keep for this year only.
Believe it or not we are set at quarterback and running back two key positions I thought we would be very weak in. As for receiver Ginn still hasn't sold me yet. But there are positive signs. Play the young guys and forget the senior players out there (Glenn, Horn)with the high price tags and egos. We don't need it. We're very young, might as well let the young guys mature together with the Chad's. We will not be competitive until 2010, so time is on our side.
Good post. I think you have a good read on the Trifecta's thought process concerning the QB situation. At this pt, they have Henne and long-term would rather go back to the draft and invest in another one than take more time to develop Beck. I think Beck's age will also play into it. If you're going to invest in a guy who you see as a developmental proj. I think you'd rather get him at 22 or 23 yrs old than 27.

You're right, they'll take a shot at a mid- to late rounder and see what they get. The problem they face is the roster is so bereft of talent at so many positions that it's going to be hard to go after a young potential backup QB for the next several yrs. Maybe they do it 2 yrs from now when the roster is in better shape and they can afford to take a chance on some guy who may not pan out. Until such time, however, every pick must yeild good returns or you just set the rebuilding back by so many degrees.
marinofan13

Cresco, PA

#24 Aug 21, 2008
Armchair Analyst wrote:
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I agree Beck should be retained and McCown traded, but I don't think the Trifecta will see it that way. Let's face: You're not going to get much for McCown in the way of compensation. He is what he is and has very little upside. At this pt, Beck is still a mystery and much easier I would think to sell the idea that he'll improve with solid coaching and the proper offensive system. To me, his problems are mostly mental and I think that can be corrected--which is the reason why I say he should be kept and, at the same time, is the reason why he won't be. This regime covets draft picks and will do whatever they can to secure more of them. If I'm right and Beck is eventually on the way out, my idea would be to hang on to him until either some team's QB goes down in mid-season and they become despperate or even until draft time next yr when you might be able to make a deal and get more value, pssoibly as part of a package. The difficulty with that scenario is now Beck is "damaged goods" and the whole league knows it, so they won't get much for him. The only way would be to 'rehabilitate' his market value by giving him more reps--at least enough to flash the potential and provide the hope he can be salvaged, which is going to be hard to do if he's relegated to "mop up" duty and always with the 2nd team. But, obviously, if they've decided that the Chads are the ones they want in games, then they have to give them the reps to prepare. It's kind of a catch-22.
I still won't be surprised, however, if Beck goes to another team willing to make the investment and turns into a good player. In my mind, though, it would probably require another season backing up an established vet and giving Beck a fresh chance next TC.
You, sir, are DEEP! I appreciate deep thinkers. Let's not get TOO deep, so I pose to you a question: both Chads are hanging in the balance, leaving only room but for 1 more QB in the mix. Of these 2 remaining QBs, one has trade value (Beck), the other has little to none (McCown). One has experience, the other has little. We now have a vet (Pennington), so we don't need the experienced of the two we speak of (McCown).

Kurt Warner is about to retire, and Matt Leinart has had enough mentor-ship and/or tutulage from Kurt to the point that ARZ needs a young QB to take the reigns in the event that Leinart goes down. Whisenhunt worked wonders with Big Ben in Pitt.

If Whisenhunt likes what he sees in Beck (whom Parcells "seems" to want to part ways with now, unfortunately to me/you), and we package him along with someone such as Joey Porter (being we're trying to get younger in Miami), and a conditional later round draft pick for Anquan Boldin and a conditional draft pick to us... would you be with it?

It would work within the salary cap as I think Anquan makes more $$$ than Porter and Beck combined.

That just might work! You did hear Anquan today, right? It's getting VERY UGLY down there. Ken (Whisenhunt) may change his tune REALLY fast for the right deal. To get younger by ridding ourselves of Joey ($20M guaranteed,$32M in incentives) would be attractive to US... if the Cards can afford it, of course.

I guess it all depends on how large a distraction Anquan becomes in the desert...

Cheers to you, brother

Vince

Casper, WY

#25 Aug 21, 2008
Bill wrote:
<quoted text> I've never seen a pro QB worse than Beck.
Go ahead and try out for the NFL Bill then you'll see a worse QB. Hell, Peyton Manning couldn't have won with the lowly Phins last year.
west-sider

North Port, FL

#26 Aug 22, 2008
What a sad state this team is in!

I better not read anything about the folks jumping on the Ginn bandwagon if he jumps out and plays well this season!!!
Armchair Analyst

Athol Springs, NY

#27 Aug 26, 2008
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>You, sir, are DEEP! I appreciate deep thinkers. Let's not get TOO deep, so I pose to you a question: both Chads are hanging in the balance, leaving only room but for 1 more QB in the mix. Of these 2 remaining QBs, one has trade value (Beck), the other has little to none (McCown). One has experience, the other has little. We now have a vet (Pennington), so we don't need the experienced of the two we speak of (McCown).
Kurt Warner is about to retire, and Matt Leinart has had enough mentor-ship and/or tutulage from Kurt to the point that ARZ needs a young QB to take the reigns in the event that Leinart goes down. Whisenhunt worked wonders with Big Ben in Pitt.
If Whisenhunt likes what he sees in Beck (whom Parcells "seems" to want to part ways with now, unfortunately to me/you), and we package him along with someone such as Joey Porter (being we're trying to get younger in Miami), and a conditional later round draft pick for Anquan Boldin and a conditional draft pick to us... would you be with it?
It would work within the salary cap as I think Anquan makes more $$$ than Porter and Beck combined.
That just might work! You did hear Anquan today, right? It's getting VERY UGLY down there. Ken (Whisenhunt) may change his tune REALLY fast for the right deal. To get younger by ridding ourselves of Joey ($20M guaranteed,$32M in incentives) would be attractive to US... if the Cards can afford it, of course.
I guess it all depends on how large a distraction Anquan becomes in the desert...
Cheers to you, brother
I'd definitely have to take a serious look at it. A couple of clarifying questions: How old is Boldin? What would the conditions be on the conditional pick we get fr. ARZ?

As much as it seems silly to say it, if we got rid of Porter it might create a short-term problem at the OLB spot. Who would be play there this yr? Matt Roth? I'm not sold on him being able to make the transition successfully yet. Too many concerns about what will happen in coverage when he's forced to go one-on-one in space w/ a TE or RB. I do like dumping Porter's salary and clearing the cap space, which would make it possible for us to pick up a top-line FA next offseason. Getting Boldin, of course, would save us from having to use a high-rd draft pick on a WR and would be give us a deadly combo w/ Ginn and Boldin.

Depending on that conditional pick, I think I'd do it. In the short run, we'd lose our best (if healthy) blitzing LB, but I'd be willing to put up with that in the overall scheme of things.
marinofan13

Hunlock Creek, PA

#28 Aug 26, 2008
Armchair Analyst wrote:
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I'd definitely have to take a serious look at it. A couple of clarifying questions: How old is Boldin? What would the conditions be on the conditional pick we get fr. ARZ?
As much as it seems silly to say it, if we got rid of Porter it might create a short-term problem at the OLB spot. Who would be play there this yr? Matt Roth? I'm not sold on him being able to make the transition successfully yet. Too many concerns about what will happen in coverage when he's forced to go one-on-one in space w/ a TE or RB. I do like dumping Porter's salary and clearing the cap space, which would make it possible for us to pick up a top-line FA next offseason. Getting Boldin, of course, would save us from having to use a high-rd draft pick on a WR and would be give us a deadly combo w/ Ginn and Boldin.
Depending on that conditional pick, I think I'd do it. In the short run, we'd lose our best (if healthy) blitzing LB, but I'd be willing to put up with that in the overall scheme of things.
He's 27 years old right now. I agree with you on the short-term problems we'd incur by trading Porter, but it just might be worth it in the long run. Of course, this is all contingent on Whisenhunt giving in to Anquan's wishes.

Check out Anquan's bio. http://www.azcardinals.com/team/bio.php...
Armchair Analyst

Athol Springs, NY

#29 Aug 29, 2008
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>He's 27 years old right now. I agree with you on the short-term problems we'd incur by trading Porter, but it just might be worth it in the long run. Of course, this is all contingent on Whisenhunt giving in to Anquan's wishes.
Check out Anquan's bio. http://www.azcardinals.com/team/bio.php...
Thanks for the bio link. Unfortunately, that trade's not going to happen. I don't think Boldin's going anywhere.

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