Raiders run over Dolphins

Talkative linebacker Joey Porter began the week guaranteeing a victory, but it was former Dolphins quarterback Daunte Culpepper who got the last word. Full Story
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jahndoh

Lompoc, CA

#314 Oct 2, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>Great feedback, man. You, like me, are indeed a TRUE Phin fan. I'm sorry if I called you out in the past. Remember that it's okay to disagree, but I think you've proven yourself as a TRUE fan. Though I don't agree with you on maybe 10% of things, you have my appreciation.
Cheers to you.
Likewise.
DannyBoy

Bethlehem, PA

#315 Oct 3, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>And you, sir... I like what you bring to the table as well. Daunte and Ricky were TOTALLY thrown to the fire by a foolish coach. If Cam takes Ricky back, it will be a sign of desperation at this point in the face of Cam's total "schmuck" ignorance.
Let us bury the Daunte hatchet though... just as Cam will be buried in 2-3 years for the fool that he is. We all saw the game on Sunday. You and I are probably the happiest MF'z in PA right now! Now let us see if Baldy will finally resign over his pi$z poor decision making. Cam's to blame, but I think Baldy needs to take responsibility for signing him to begin with. I think it's high-time for the fans to realize that the sh!t should roll uphill toward Baldy.
Thank you sir. I used to be a tad more civil.

I'm not burying the DC thing unless I see him have a total collapse (if Kiffin doesn't keep him the starter he's a loon), and TrINT starts showing up on game day. The move to dump DC, as well as Welker, are probably the two stupidest personell decisions I've ever seen in my almost 40 years of Phin football.
Fraud13

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#316 Oct 3, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>And you, sir... I like what you bring to the table as well. Daunte and Ricky were TOTALLY thrown to the fire by a foolish coach. If Cam takes Ricky back, it will be a sign of desperation at this point in the face of Cam's total "schmuck" ignorance.
Let us bury the Daunte hatchet though... just as Cam will be buried in 2-3 years for the fool that he is. We all saw the game on Sunday. You and I are probably the happiest MF'z in PA right now! Now let us see if Baldy will finally resign over his pi$z poor decision making. Cam's to blame, but I think Baldy needs to take responsibility for signing him to begin with. I think it's high-time for the fans to realize that the sh!t should roll uphill toward Baldy.
Maybe you are the problem. At least 80,000 people in San Diego wish Cam was back there but you think he stinks. Hmmmm.
marinofan13

Selinsgrove, PA

#317 Oct 3, 2007
Fraud13 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you are the problem. At least 80,000 people in San Diego wish Cam was back there but you think he stinks. Hmmmm.
Cam was the OC (OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR) in SD, NOT the head coach. Your head coach was MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER. Cam had NOTHING to do w/ personnel decisions, drafts, or the like in SD... AJ Smith and Marty were the brains there and Cam was the offensive guru who benefited from great management.

Miami's OC (OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR) several years back was NORV TURNER, head coached by DAVE WINESTASH. NORV did well for us. But how's NORV making out as your head coach in SD? About the bloody same as Cam Cameron! Both Cam and Norv are indeed GENIOUS OC's, hands down!!! Now let us look at both of their records as HC (head coach). A genius OC does NOT make one a genius HC!!! This is apples to oranges. I really can't believe you posted what you posted! But for what it is worth... I'd keep Cam as my OC ANYDAY over anyone else out there... just not as my HC.
marinofan13

Selinsgrove, PA

#318 Oct 3, 2007
Fraud13 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you are the problem. At least 80,000 people in San Diego wish Cam was back there but you think he stinks. Hmmmm.
Oh yeah, we don't have great management in Miami due to a pock-faced evil owner.
jahndoh

Lompoc, CA

#320 Oct 3, 2007
Fraud13 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you are the problem. At least 80,000 people in San Diego wish Cam was back there but you think he stinks. Hmmmm.
This is a very interesting point that I have not seen anyone bring up before.

I also here nothing but good things about Cameron on Sirius NFL radio.

It's the nature of fairweather fans to want to start firing people when they disagree with a few decisions they've made, and those disagreements are punctuated by a couple of "L"s.

It appears the fins had ALOT of fairweather fans.

I've always had a problem with "win now or else" owners in the NFL. How many coaches can AJ smith fire after 14-2 seasons before no qualified coaching candidate even wants to work for him?

Same with Al Davis, he brought back Art Shell (why Art came back I'll never know) with accolades and a confession that he wished he had never fired him the first time.

Then, one bad season...one, and he's out.

The coaching talent pool isn't deep enough (imho) to instafire coaches if you don't like how they start out.

JJ 1st season as HC in the NFL: 1-15
Jerry Jones is glad he didn't fire him.

Mike Shanahan, 7-9 than 1-3 into the next season, Al Davis fires him. Bet he wishes the Raiders were winning those championships instead of the broncos.

Bill Walsh's first year as HC: 2-14, fairweather fans: wrong again.

Belichik is really interesting: 1st 5 years 6-10 7-9 7-9 11-5 5-11 then fired by cleveland.

New England hired him and he was 5-11 his first year, the rest "as the say" is history.

Am I making any point here? Those of you still reading probably recognize my point is this:

Coaches need time to turn teams around, and calling for their firing because they disagree with some of their decisions, and start 0-4 is kneejerk and fairweather.

Spin how you like fairweather fans, historians study so we don't REPEAT our mistakes.

Some of us will never learn that though will we? As long as there are pitchforks and torches, there'll be those who seek to gauge and burn.
jahndoh

Lompoc, CA

#321 Oct 3, 2007
marinofan13 wrote:
<quoted text>Cam was the OC (OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR) in SD, NOT the head coach. Your head coach was MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER. Cam had NOTHING to do w/ personnel decisions, drafts, or the like in SD... AJ Smith and Marty were the brains there and Cam was the offensive guru who benefited from great management.
Miami's OC (OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR) several years back was NORV TURNER, head coached by DAVE WINESTASH. NORV did well for us. But how's NORV making out as your head coach in SD? About the bloody same as Cam Cameron! Both Cam and Norv are indeed GENIOUS OC's, hands down!!! Now let us look at both of their records as HC (head coach). A genius OC does NOT make one a genius HC!!! This is apples to oranges. I really can't believe you posted what you posted! But for what it is worth... I'd keep Cam as my OC ANYDAY over anyone else out there... just not as my HC.
You could be right, OR, you could be wrong. But I didn't see you confess to the latter in that post.

Why should you though, when you have a pitchfork and a torch, you MUST be right.
Woodstrock

United States

#322 Oct 4, 2007
jahndoh wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a very interesting point that I have not seen anyone bring up before.
I also here nothing but good things about Cameron on Sirius NFL radio.
It's the nature of fairweather fans to want to start firing people when they disagree with a few decisions they've made, and those disagreements are punctuated by a couple of "L"s.
It appears the fins had ALOT of fairweather fans.
I've always had a problem with "win now or else" owners in the NFL. How many coaches can AJ smith fire after 14-2 seasons before no qualified coaching candidate even wants to work for him?
Same with Al Davis, he brought back Art Shell (why Art came back I'll never know) with accolades and a confession that he wished he had never fired him the first time.
Then, one bad season...one, and he's out.
The coaching talent pool isn't deep enough (imho) to instafire coaches if you don't like how they start out.
JJ 1st season as HC in the NFL: 1-15
Jerry Jones is glad he didn't fire him.
Mike Shanahan, 7-9 than 1-3 into the next season, Al Davis fires him. Bet he wishes the Raiders were winning those championships instead of the broncos.
Bill Walsh's first year as HC: 2-14, fairweather fans: wrong again.
Belichik is really interesting: 1st 5 years 6-10 7-9 7-9 11-5 5-11 then fired by cleveland.
New England hired him and he was 5-11 his first year, the rest "as the say" is history.
Am I making any point here? Those of you still reading probably recognize my point is this:
Coaches need time to turn teams around, and calling for their firing because they disagree with some of their decisions, and start 0-4 is kneejerk and fairweather.
Spin how you like fairweather fans, historians study so we don't REPEAT our mistakes.
Some of us will never learn that though will we? As long as there are pitchforks and torches, there'll be those who seek to gauge and burn.
You've captured exactly why I have been refraining from posting on these boards lately. We've heard a steady drumbeat of 'fire Cameron' since before training camp from some of these fairweather fans - why should it be any different after 4 games?
I have no problem taking issue with playcalls, asking why certain young talent hasn't seen the field yet (L. Booker, anyone?), but this 'fire Cameron' logic is baffling.
Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before several years of blowing draftpicks (E. Moore, J. Allen), trading draft picks (L. Gordon, AJ Feeley, D. Culpepper, even R. Williams) was going to catch up with this team. And now as a result, Miami has no quality depth, a dearth of young talent, and some older vets on their way down the hill. Is this Cameron's fault? No. Should be be permitted to have at least more than the first season to rebuild this team? Of course he does. And if results aren't forthcoming in Seasons 2 or 3, then fine, some hard questions need to be asked. But fire the coach after 4 games? Please people - get real. Cheer for the team you love to watch and try to understand that while its going to be an long season, you have to give the new coach some time.
jahndoh

Lompoc, CA

#323 Oct 4, 2007
Woodstrock wrote:
<quoted text> You've captured exactly why I have been refraining from posting on these boards lately. We've heard a steady drumbeat of 'fire Cameron' since before training camp from some of these fairweather fans - why should it be any different after 4 games?
I have no problem taking issue with playcalls, asking why certain young talent hasn't seen the field yet (L. Booker, anyone?), but this 'fire Cameron' logic is baffling.
Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before several years of blowing draftpicks (E. Moore, J. Allen), trading draft picks (L. Gordon, AJ Feeley, D. Culpepper, even R. Williams) was going to catch up with this team. And now as a result, Miami has no quality depth, a dearth of young talent, and some older vets on their way down the hill. Is this Cameron's fault? No. Should be be permitted to have at least more than the first season to rebuild this team? Of course he does. And if results aren't forthcoming in Seasons 2 or 3, then fine, some hard questions need to be asked. But fire the coach after 4 games? Please people - get real. Cheer for the team you love to watch and try to understand that while its going to be an long season, you have to give the new coach some time.
I wholeheartedly agree, and questioning a playcall or personell decisions is any fans right.

What puzzles me is the righteous indignation that often comes along with. Some of these people actually appear angry that Cameron didn't "listen" to them.

He's already baby sitting 1/2 the roster, working 18-20 hour days and dealing with a rash of injuries, but somehow he was supposed to read that guys post back in April and reverse his draft decision post-fact to give back Ginn and get Quinn.

So I'm gonna stop complaining about them and add something to the football conversation:

RB is on the verge of become a superstar in this league, he leads the league in all purpose yards, seems to have grasped Cam's playbook, is fulfilling his blocking assignments, catching balls out of the backfield and running downhill like a freight-train, I think it's only a matter of time before we see his first TD pass :-)

I'm very excited about this development, and hopefull that we can somehow make some progress on the Defensive side of the ball.

I also have a tendency to think Ginn is about to breakout as well. He's a rookie reciever so I'm not talking superstar (like RB), but it's just a matter of opportunities before his speed gets him a big play.

Just some things I'm grateful for on THIS Fins team!

Cheers
Woodstrock

United States

#324 Oct 4, 2007
jahndoh wrote:
<quoted text>
I wholeheartedly agree, and questioning a playcall or personell decisions is any fans right.
What puzzles me is the righteous indignation that often comes along with. Some of these people actually appear angry that Cameron didn't "listen" to them.
He's already baby sitting 1/2 the roster, working 18-20 hour days and dealing with a rash of injuries, but somehow he was supposed to read that guys post back in April and reverse his draft decision post-fact to give back Ginn and get Quinn.
So I'm gonna stop complaining about them and add something to the football conversation:
RB is on the verge of become a superstar in this league, he leads the league in all purpose yards, seems to have grasped Cam's playbook, is fulfilling his blocking assignments, catching balls out of the backfield and running downhill like a freight-train, I think it's only a matter of time before we see his first TD pass :-)
I'm very excited about this development, and hopefull that we can somehow make some progress on the Defensive side of the ball.
I also have a tendency to think Ginn is about to breakout as well. He's a rookie reciever so I'm not talking superstar (like RB), but it's just a matter of opportunities before his speed gets him a big play.
Just some things I'm grateful for on THIS Fins team!
Cheers
You are right on about RB - he's running with authority (to coin a phrase), and appears to have found his place in this offense. Which leads me to my next point: Cameron started the season splitting carries between RB and Chatman the first two weeks. Why? It was not because Cameron doesn't want to win, but go back and take a look at what the coach had said at the time about RB - he wasn't ready. By week 3, Cameron was saying 'just wait - he's going to the offense in Week 3'. And he was. There seems to be a plan in place with some of these young guys.

Which make me believe the same thing about Ginn. Cameron says he's not quite ready - and based on what Cam has said and RBs results, I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that Ginn is going to be really good, but he's just not 'there' yet. And does anyone believe that if Beck was ready to play, that Cameron would hold him out? These coaches want to win as much as the fans - if not more. Of course he is going to play the guys who are ready to contribute to a win. Same I suppose could be said for L. Booker. Again, Cam has 4 games under his belt, we've got to be patient and let them do their job. Now if only the defense could do theirs... but that's another story entirely.
jahndoh

Lompoc, CA

#325 Oct 4, 2007
Woodstrock wrote:
<quoted text> You are right on about RB - he's running with authority (to coin a phrase), and appears to have found his place in this offense. Which leads me to my next point: Cameron started the season splitting carries between RB and Chatman the first two weeks. Why? It was not because Cameron doesn't want to win, but go back and take a look at what the coach had said at the time about RB - he wasn't ready. By week 3, Cameron was saying 'just wait - he's going to the offense in Week 3'. And he was. There seems to be a plan in place with some of these young guys.
Which make me believe the same thing about Ginn. Cameron says he's not quite ready - and based on what Cam has said and RBs results, I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that Ginn is going to be really good, but he's just not 'there' yet. And does anyone believe that if Beck was ready to play, that Cameron would hold him out? These coaches want to win as much as the fans - if not more. Of course he is going to play the guys who are ready to contribute to a win. Same I suppose could be said for L. Booker. Again, Cam has 4 games under his belt, we've got to be patient and let them do their job. Now if only the defense could do theirs... but that's another story entirely.
Good points about his behavior and results being consistent with "having a plan".

I'm with you on almost everything though, I think John Beck and this O-line are ready for them to start sharing a few snaps. I believe Cam has a plan for Beck, but I would have liked for Beck to get snaps in garbage time twice this year. Especially against Dallas, there were 3 full possesions after the game was out of hand. Mostly though my concern about the QB position is I believe Trent's inability to throw downfield is whats hampering Ginns development the most.

All that said, I've got no choice but to get behind Cam, cuz we all know I'm not jumping ship :-)

Cheers.
looney684

AOL

#326 Oct 4, 2007
hi raider fans ,
my nephew is a big raider fan and he wants a jersey with the new qb i dont know who is the new qb . can u help me please
marinofan13

Williamsport, PA

#327 Oct 4, 2007
jahndoh wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't see you confess to the latter in that post.
You lost me here... the latter on which post? Let me know so I can clarify any misunderstanding.

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