QB McCown after starting spot

As a third-year quarterback with the Cardinals, Josh McCown threw a game-winning, 2-yard touchdown pass to Larry Fitzgerald with 19 seconds remaining to beat the host Dolphins 24-23. The Dolphins fell to 1-8 ... Read more
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Greg

Hollywood, FL

#164 Mar 9, 2008
Thanks. See ya!
socalfinfan wrote:
<quoted text>Great points,later.
Greg

Hollywood, FL

#165 Mar 9, 2008
Hey Mike, What you're really saying is "if you get a better all around team will you win more games in 2008? Of course! The question is how will that happen for this upcoming season? What WR's do you have? Who is your #1 WR? What's Brown's status coming back from IR? Will Ricky Williams return, and if so what will he be like? What will another rookie head coach and rookie GM do for the Dolphins? How have the other teams in the division improved compared to the Dolphins? What skill players have they honestly added? What O-line are you talking about? I seem to remember Beck and Lemon running for their lives.
Mike Jones wrote:
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All valid and good points. That being said if we get better coaching, better clock management and add skill players along the two lines can Miami not drastically improve its record in 2008?
Greg

Hollywood, FL

#166 Mar 9, 2008
C'mon Mike, how many years has it been that the Dolphins have been
re-building? They have never gone crazy with free-agents, yet they haven't shown anything since Marino.
Mike Jones wrote:
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I for one would take 5-11. You cannot fix a 1-15 mess brought on by years of poor drafting(2000-2004 especially) in one offseason. What would you have liked Parcells to do, overpay for Asante Samuel or Alan Faneca? C'mon, this team will only be competitive again if we keep drafting well for 2-3 years in a row. Personally I liked last years draft and thought Mueller would have had this team competitive again. But Parcells has the right to get his own people in their and I think they will put as much emphasis on the draft as Mueller did. Free agency is not the cure-all for bad or mediocre teams. Ask Don Shula, Dave Wannstadt and Daniel Snyder how over-spending on free agents worked out for them in the past. Relax and be a true fan, have patience and eventually Miami will win consistantly again. These things run in cycles, look back at ANY NFL teams history. Oh and Roger, if you reading this and I'm sure you will, zip it. We dont care that you hate the Dolphins and you think we all should stop following the team. Your efforts are quite moronic and frankly a waste of your time.

Since: Dec 07

West Palm Beach, FL.

#167 Mar 9, 2008
Greg wrote:
C'mon Mike, how many years has it been that the Dolphins have been
re-building? They have never gone crazy with free-agents, yet they haven't shown anything since Marino.
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C'mon Greg, if you are going to talk Dolphins football, you need to be up on the facts! Mike is referring to a couple of instances where Miami has 'gone crazy' with free agents. Miami nearly started the free-agent bonanza as the system is known today when they signed Keith Jackson the week he was declared a free agent by a court order. The next season they totally switched out their WR corps by dumping Duper and Clayton and replacing them with Ingram and Fryar, and also adding FAs Keith Byars and Eric Green among others. By 1995, Miami had assembled mostly through free agency a roster that had something like 17 #1 picks on the team, and ended up getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs. I agree with Mike - Miami's been here before with big free agent signings, and more often than not, they don't end up working, or at least, they don't bring a championship.
mace taggert

AOL

#168 Mar 10, 2008
DOLPHINS FANS SUCK PERIOD COWBOYS #1
Mike Jones

Tampa, FL

#169 Mar 10, 2008
Greg wrote:
Hey Mike, What you're really saying is "if you get a better all around team will you win more games in 2008? Of course! The question is how will that happen for this upcoming season? What WR's do you have? Who is your #1 WR? What's Brown's status coming back from IR? Will Ricky Williams return, and if so what will he be like? What will another rookie head coach and rookie GM do for the Dolphins? How have the other teams in the division improved compared to the Dolphins? What skill players have they honestly added? What O-line are you talking about? I seem to remember Beck and Lemon running for their lives.
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Greg, I was simply agreeing with you about your main reasons that you gave for Miami's poor record. Poor coaching: Cameron obviously in over his head/spread too think(which I admit you called) replaced with a solid football coach in Sparano who by the way will not lose the respect of the players in that locker room a la weakling Cam Cameron. Poor clock management: Cameron sucked in this area, perhaps because he had no offensive coordinator. Sparano, while I know he is a bit of an unknown, will not be wearing the two hats Cameron tried to wear and he can focus on important game day decisions like a true head coach. And three, the lack of talent on the two lines. Yes, right now Miami has three good offensive lineman with two big holes and depth issues. But its March Greg, a lot can happen between now and September. I expect a heavy emphasis in the draft put on the offensive and defensive lines, with the offensive line personally the priority. If Ferguson can hold down the fort at NT for a year or two we should be able to come up with two DE's, one of which may be the young kid they got from Tennessee. Forgive me, I forgot the kids name, maybe it's Starks?
Mike Jones

Tampa, FL

#172 Mar 10, 2008
Greg wrote:
I hear you Mike..All valid points. Thanks for just having a normal conversation here. I couldn't agree with you more on you assessments. The problem I see is there still are no WR's on the Dolphins. Who is the go to guy? The funny thing about the Dolphins is all we're hearing right now is Bill Parcells this and Bill Parcells that. Do you have the feeling he'll be coaching the Dolphins anytime soon? How will a rookie coach handle clock management better?
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In my honest opinion I truly believe Ted Ginn will be the go to guy. He simply snatches everything thrown his direction, has the speed most covet, and is overall a humble and hard working kid. If he becomes a solid route runner and learns to read NFL coverages the sky is the limit with him. True he is an unknown commodity. But so was the case at one time for Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, L. Coles, etc etc. The greatest improvement NFL players make is between the first and second year. I expect(and hope) the same rings true for Ginn. As far as Sparano, we'll see. But he sure as heck cannot be worse than Cameron in that department. Like I said, he had the sense to know he needed an O-Coordinator!!
Greg

Hollywood, FL

#173 Mar 10, 2008
That's all true. So let's look at how Miami has done without Free Agents. How have they done in the Draft since then? How many championships?
I'm not sure Miami is the best example of showing the benefit of Drafts versus Free Agency.
Woodstrock wrote:
<quoted text> C'mon Greg, if you are going to talk Dolphins football, you need to be up on the facts! Mike is referring to a couple of instances where Miami has 'gone crazy' with free agents. Miami nearly started the free-agent bonanza as the system is known today when they signed Keith Jackson the week he was declared a free agent by a court order. The next season they totally switched out their WR corps by dumping Duper and Clayton and replacing them with Ingram and Fryar, and also adding FAs Keith Byars and Eric Green among others. By 1995, Miami had assembled mostly through free agency a roster that had something like 17 #1 picks on the team, and ended up getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs. I agree with Mike - Miami's been here before with big free agent signings, and more often than not, they don't end up working, or at least, they don't bring a championship.
Greg

Hollywood, FL

#174 Mar 10, 2008
I think Ginn could turn out to be a #1. Right now I'd call him a #3 receiver. As far as Sparano is concerned...WHO KNOWS! has the guy even said anything yet? He's a mystery guy right now. Perhaps just a Parcells puppet.(which could work out for the Dolphins) We'll have to wait and see.
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Mike Jones wrote:
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In my honest opinion I truly believe Ted Ginn will be the go to guy. He simply snatches everything thrown his direction, has the speed most covet, and is overall a humble and hard working kid. If he becomes a solid route runner and learns to read NFL coverages the sky is the limit with him. True he is an unknown commodity. But so was the case at one time for Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, L. Coles, etc etc. The greatest improvement NFL players make is between the first and second year. I expect(and hope) the same rings true for Ginn. As far as Sparano, we'll see. But he sure as heck cannot be worse than Cameron in that department. Like I said, he had the sense to know he needed an O-Coordinator!!
Jack

Provo, UT

#175 Mar 10, 2008
John Beck is a talented QB who played well for not having a running game no receivers no good tightend to judge him after 4 games is ludicrous, what a joke with a good line and receivers you will see and I believe parcells see's good things in Beck . At least he deserves a chance lol.
finfan69

AOL

#176 Mar 10, 2008
Jack wrote:
John Beck is a talented QB who played well for not having a running game no receivers no good tightend to judge him after 4 games is ludicrous, what a joke with a good line and receivers you will see and I believe parcells see's good things in Beck . At least he deserves a chance lol.
Beck is just horrible. I think he set an NFL record... 15 consecutive quarters without a TD.
BravPhin

Rutledge, GA

#177 Mar 11, 2008
finfan69 wrote:
<quoted text> Beck is just horrible. I think he set an NFL record... 15 consecutive quarters without a TD.
True John Beck DID perform horribly. With a horrible o-line , no running game, and wide recievers that were questionable at best.
Do you want a list of other quarterbacks that performed horribly the 1st year? One of them just reitred from Green Bay. I think he wore the #4. Whos records did that guy break again?
finfan69

AOL

#178 Mar 11, 2008
BravPhin wrote:
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True John Beck DID perform horribly. With a horrible o-line , no running game, and wide recievers that were questionable at best.
Do you want a list of other quarterbacks that performed horribly the 1st year? One of them just reitred from Green Bay. I think he wore the #4. Whos records did that guy break again?
Well, with the same receivers, running game and OL (which was NOT terrible), Cleo Lemon was clearly TONS better than the 28 yr old Beck. NUFF SAID.
fisherman

Miami, FL

#180 Mar 11, 2008
finfan69 wrote:
<quoted text> Well, with the same receivers, running game and OL (which was NOT terrible), Cleo Lemon was clearly TONS better than the 28 yr old Beck. NUFF SAID.
Why the Beck apologists can't understand this fact is incomprehensible. Yes it was "only" 4 games, but the regular season is only 16 games. The Fins don't have 25 games for Beck to at least prove he can hold on to the ball and occasionally sniff the endzone. So far, Beck has shown nothing (garbage time plays against the Bengals in the 4th quarter of the season's final game doesn't count) and the onus is on him to vastly improve come training camp. Parcells bring in freakin Josh McCown to compete speaks volumes on the Tuna's confidence in Beck.
finfan69

AOL

#181 Mar 11, 2008
Greg wrote:
So, has the O-line improved? Is Brown gonna be 100%? How about Ricky Williams? Will he want to play? What makes you think you have better receivers this year? Or do you think a bunch of rookies will help Beck?
<quoted text>
great points
BravPhin

Rutledge, GA

#185 Mar 12, 2008
Greg wrote:
So, has the O-line improved? Is Brown gonna be 100%? How about Ricky Williams? Will he want to play? What m
akes you think you have better receivers this year? Or do you think a bunch of rookies will help Beck?
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Greg, you ask a question that you know noone can answer right now. The offseaon isnt over, the draft hasnt been here, and a game has not been played. Plus, Beck is 1 more year inder his belt, he now KNOWS what to expect. I know he may be on a shorter leash, because of the age he came into the leage, but I think give him this year, and see if there is improvement. The last quarter of the Cincy game showed improvement. But nopt many saw that, not even most FIN fans I suspect. I did. But Most importantly, so did PARCELLS and IRELAND, and SPARANO.
Greg

Hollywood, FL

#186 Mar 12, 2008
Exactly BravPhin. Nobody can answer it. That's why I wonder why several people have thought Miami has made great strides so far in the off-season. The only time Beck showed anything was during the pre-season with his comebacks and against Cincy. Basically they were all meaningless games, and against third string players. You're really talking about maybe 8 quarters of football against no-name defenses.

We really don't know what Parcells, Ireland or Sparano think, because they haven't said anything. They did sign McCown, which makes you wonder what they really think of Beck.

The one thing I can say is Parcells will let either QB just try and control the game. It will feature short passes to players out of the backfield, and a very short passing game. Parcells is big on not having a QB make poor decisions and lose a game. It's all about ball control. Later
BravPhin wrote:
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Greg, you ask a question that you know noone can answer right now. The offseaon isnt over, the draft hasnt been here, and a game has not been played. Plus, Beck is 1 more year inder his belt, he now KNOWS what to expect. I know he may be on a shorter leash, because of the age he came into the leage, but I think give him this year, and see if there is improvement. The last quarter of the Cincy game showed improvement. But nopt many saw that, not even most FIN fans I suspect. I did. But Most importantly, so did PARCELLS and IRELAND, and SPARANO.
Hugh Jorgan

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#187 Mar 12, 2008
Salt lake city T wrote:
What you people don't understand is that John Beck is a mormon. So anyone who is mormon already thinks he is the man just like Mitt Romney most mormons knew nothing about him only what religion he was so he was an automatic for the mormons. Jack from Lindon is on Becks team because of that reason. I hope he works out regardless of his faith but to say he is a great NFL quarterback is definitely premature.
True. To say he is a bust is also definitely premature.
18 and DONE

Evansville, IN

#188 Mar 22, 2008
YO Zona, GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

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