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There is a lot of suspense surrounding the Ravens' first-round pick in the 2008 draft.

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Tceasy

United States

#85 Mar 24, 2008
Rob wrote:
One thing everyone can agree on is Jake long,Vernon Gholston,Sedrick Ellis,Leodis Mckelvin ,and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie and Ryan Clady are all Blue Chippers and will be impact NFL players.....any team would love to have them all....... of course that's the pain and anxiety of the draft........you cant,so it becomes an issue of which player can have the biggest impact on a team that is already competitive and could become elite again with a few pieces.....and in the case of the Ravens a team that may only have 1 or 2 more years before it's key players are to old to be the dominant players that they are now......all of these players are great players, but which ones will complete the puzzle thats already in place......obviously the offense is not on the level of the defense with this team..... thats always been the case....no matter what offensive player is taken the offense will not be the big gun or the thing thats going to take this team to the playoffs...... nor does it have to be, all it has to do is not sabatoge or derail the team....on the other hand the defense does have the capeability to take the team to the playoffs and perhaps beyond with a couple of upgrades and a little reinforcement......this was the #2 run defense last year...... thats the norm for the Ravens...... you cant run on them....on the other hand the Ravens gave up more big pass plays than any other team in the NFL....some of you will say that's because Mcalister and Rolle were out....that is true...but there was a reason why they were out....their 2 very good corners who are at the twilight's of their career's...neither is as fast or agile or as durable as they were even 3 years ago....so you have 2 older corners who arent what they used to be and nothing else behind them......thats not going to get you through to the playoffs .....you have to be more competitive at the corner position.....there is absolutely no substitute for speed in the NFL.........everything else about this defense is Superbowl caliber......you've got stonewalls up front...... explosive expierienced linebackers [and Barnes will continue the tradition]... and blue chip safeties in Reed and Landry......fix what is almost perfect and very close to complete and use that as your big gun...... because it is what can take you all the way .....the other pieces can be added next year....but fix your big gun first..... otherwise you just have a lot of incomplete areas....a bunch of sling shots, bow's and arrows going against cannons, tanks and fast rockets.
another great post.
Tceasy

United States

#86 Mar 24, 2008
Brian wrote:
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You guys must be writing off Adam Terry who did a respectable job at RT. He just can't play LT.
you have dat all backwards. He does a hell of alot better playing LT. He had trouble playing on the right side, remember he was benched in favor of marshal yanda.
Quinton

Baltimore, MD

#87 Mar 24, 2008
kevin wrote:
i hate when troy smith writes a post then puts down "quinton" for his name. skay-clady would actually improve 3 positions-dont forget boller will have more time to throw. bob-youre right colt brennan is a sleeper-he will sleep during both draft days cause nobody is going to draft him. and who is the guy that said cam should tell us how he rates the qbs coming out? my bet is he isnt a poker player. id be ok with clady, a corner or defensive lineman. about the only one we could take 8th and be a bust is matt ryan. now-just who do you think ozzie will take if good old matt falls to #8?
LOL.I hate when Michigan fans put their name down as KEVIN and hate on Troy Smith.Kevin,where the hell have you been for the last 5 years??Watching Buffalo Bills games i guess.Because to not recognize a MOP QB when you see one Must have one themselves...J P LOSMAN!!!!!Kyle is not the answer for Baltimore.Mabey Green Bay where they can make his sparatic arm the next Brett Farve.
Voltaire

Halethorpe, MD

#88 Mar 24, 2008
no free pass here wrote:
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Ate you serious?You honestly think Boller will be good?I think he could have been, but he is gun shy from being blasted his first year in there with no offensive line.He was getting hit some much and so often,by the end of the year he was flinching when nobody was even close to him.Check the film.He is ruined now,damaged goods.
Did you ever watch Steve Young or Jim Plunkett's first couple of years? They looked like damaged merchadise too and then went on to win Super Bowls. I'm not putting Boller in their class yet but he is a tough SOB and you never know.

Cameron will, supposedly,have full control of the offense, which means for the first team in Boller's tenure, there just might be a coherent offensive strategy rather than let the defense and special teams get us real close and have Jamal smash it in. So lets see what Cameron can do.

Besides, with the salary cap the way it is and the fact that now the defense and special teams need fixing, it is likely the Ravens will have little option but to give the three musketeers ( or the three stooges, depending on your point of view) a shot at proving one of them can do this.

Unless they can get Ryan, and even he is iffy, they run the risk of taking money and draft choices away from the effort to improve the defense and special teams for a QB that won't contribute for a while. Somoeone has to play QB next year and, after what happened to Boller, it won't be a rookie.
DAVID BROWN

Duluth, GA

#89 Mar 24, 2008
Cam Cameron does not make QB's "better." I expect Cam will fall in love w/ Andre Woodson, or Colt Brennan, or another QB that has no reason being picked in the first 5 rounds, as he did last year w/ John Beck. Cameron has no eye for talent at the QB position, or any other position for that matter. Ravens fans should hope that he has nothing to do with who the birds draft this year.
Bob Cala

United States

#90 Mar 24, 2008
What is wrong with Smith ? Because he was drafted in the 5th round makes him undesirable ? What does he have to do to make you call him a good quarterback for the Ravens ? I deffinitly feel that going after another QB will be waisting a high draft pick and we should be concentrating on Offensive linemen instead . How did Mc Nair get injured in the first place , by an inadiquate line that couldn't hold the defense away from the QB . Even the top QB's look bad when they don't get the protection from opposing defenses .
Chester

Springfield, VA

#91 Mar 25, 2008
flylowe2 wrote:
Here is a quick read for those of you afraid of Brohm: http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/s...
I know the guy and he is one of the smartest and strongest people I know...also, he was hurt and played throug it ala Brett Farve...not like the "pros" who sit with a sore toe.
"Turf toe" (or a sore toe, as some people like to think of it) is the most difficult injury for an offensive lineman (such as PRO-BOWLER Jonathan Ogden), so no matter how tough scraping his non-throwing elbow must be (oh, the pain!), there are some things that could be potentially career ending (like turf toe).

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#92 Mar 25, 2008
Bob Cala wrote:
What is wrong with Smith ? Because he was drafted in the 5th round makes him undesirable ? What does he have to do to make you call him a good quarterback for the Ravens ? I deffinitly feel that going after another QB will be waisting a high draft pick and we should be concentrating on Offensive linemen instead . How did Mc Nair get injured in the first place , by an inadiquate line that couldn't hold the defense away from the QB . Even the top QB's look bad when they don't get the protection from opposing defenses .
As Brady looked much more human when the Giants were giving him little if any time to throw. Excellent post.
Vic

Xenia, OH

#94 Mar 25, 2008
Troy Smith is are QB know matter what if Mcnair screw up during traning camp Troy gets the job really boller out will better trade him and get like a 5 or 6 round draft pick out of it. LETS PLEASE LOOK AT A WR THAT IS BIG LIKE JAMES HARDY 6,6 215 BIG IMPACT IN THE 2 ROUND 1 ROUND WE SHOULD GET ROGERS-CROMARIE
andy

Pittsburgh, PA

#95 Mar 25, 2008
"Kyle Boller set them back, what, how long has he been with the team, five years?"

Yeah right...it's not his fault the team couldn't develop him properly. He's no savior, but he definitely doesn't deserve all the blame!

However, my pick would be Flacco.
Voltaire

Halethorpe, MD

#96 Mar 25, 2008
Bob Cala wrote:
What is wrong with Smith ? Because he was drafted in the 5th round makes him undesirable ? What does he have to do to make you call him a good quarterback for the Ravens ? I deffinitly feel that going after another QB will be waisting a high draft pick and we should be concentrating on Offensive linemen instead . How did Mc Nair get injured in the first place , by an inadiquate line that couldn't hold the defense away from the QB . Even the top QB's look bad when they don't get the protection from opposing defenses .
What is wrong with Smith is that everyone is evaluating him based on

-2 games
-A Heisman trophy
-A supposed "presence" or "character" that can be felt from as far away as your TV or the stands

I happen to like him and think he may well have a bright future but he could also be an huge bust.

2 games- let NFL DC's get a shot at him over a full season before we put him in the Hall of Fame

A Heisman and an outstanding collge career- far too many case histories of QB's with similar credentials being miserable failures in the NFL.

"Presence" or "character" or "it factor" - most NFL quaterbacks, even third stringers, have this to one degree or another. Smith seems to have a lot of "it" but that alone is enough to succeed. Dilfer had a lot of it but it didn't help him much either before or after that one magical year. I do know that as much crap has been heaped on him, Boller is one tough SOB to keep coming back for more and that alone is not enough.

Everybody either wants to build this team around Smith or get rid of him. That is just silly. Right now he is promising but he has a micron thin NFL resume and it is asking a lot for a new coach like Harbaugh to hook his star to such an inexperienced wagon. In case anyone forgot, Billick did that with Boller and we saw how that turned out.
jeremiah

Baltimore, MD

#97 Mar 25, 2008
Voltaire wrote:
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What is wrong with Smith is that everyone is evaluating him based on
-2 games
-A Heisman trophy
-A supposed "presence" or "character" that can be felt from as far away as your TV or the stands
I happen to like him and think he may well have a bright future but he could also be an huge bust.
2 games- let NFL DC's get a shot at him over a full season before we put him in the Hall of Fame
A Heisman and an outstanding collge career- far too many case histories of QB's with similar credentials being miserable failures in the NFL.
"Presence" or "character" or "it factor" - most NFL quaterbacks, even third stringers, have this to one degree or another. Smith seems to have a lot of "it" but that alone is enough to succeed. Dilfer had a lot of it but it didn't help him much either before or after that one magical year. I do know that as much crap has been heaped on him, Boller is one tough SOB to keep coming back for more and that alone is not enough.
Everybody either wants to build this team around Smith or get rid of him. That is just silly. Right now he is promising but he has a micron thin NFL resume and it is asking a lot for a new coach like Harbaugh to hook his star to such an inexperienced wagon. In case anyone forgot, Billick did that with Boller and we saw how that turned out.
No 5th rounder can ever be concidered a bust. He is all reward with no risk. He did look good vs NFL players, and he played with and vs a whole lot of pros to be at OSU. His line there was as big and tall as NFL linemen and height was no problem.
He looks like he has the goods, and as a 5th round pick there is no pressure or rsh to play him. He may win the job, but wont have the pressure of having it handed to him.
Westside fan

Catonsville, MD

#98 Apr 10, 2008
I dont quite get it Troy Smith is the guy of the future!!! Here is a guy that can develop under a healthy Steve McNair, not to mention he has shown in 3 games what Kyle Bumbling stumbling robo sack fumbling non playbook knowing interception throwing Boller has FAILED to show in 5 YEARS. You can make your arguments about the play calling but lets see Troy Smith managed to beat a fully healthy playoff bound Pittsburgh Steeler team Something that Kyle Boller has NEVER done, he's shown a pocket presence that only a veteran could show, and oh yea, he almost brought us back from a loss to the dismal Miami dolphins who were destined to go winless!!! And WHAT has Boller done? Hang his Receivers out to dry, throw interceptions at the WORST times, and he has NOT won a road game in almost THREE YEARS. Ladies and gentleman he is a bust. Bottom line we are solid at quarterback only if we release Boller and get maybe a 7th round pick..

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#99 Apr 10, 2008
Voltaire wrote:
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What is wrong with Smith is that everyone is evaluating him based on
-2 games
-A Heisman trophy
-A supposed "presence" or "character" that can be felt from as far away as your TV or the stands
I happen to like him and think he may well have a bright future but he could also be an huge bust.
2 games- let NFL DC's get a shot at him over a full season before we put him in the Hall of Fame
A Heisman and an outstanding collge career- far too many case histories of QB's with similar credentials being miserable failures in the NFL.
"Presence" or "character" or "it factor" - most NFL quaterbacks, even third stringers, have this to one degree or another. Smith seems to have a lot of "it" but that alone is enough to succeed. Dilfer had a lot of it but it didn't help him much either before or after that one magical year. I do know that as much crap has been heaped on him, Boller is one tough SOB to keep coming back for more and that alone is not enough.
Everybody either wants to build this team around Smith or get rid of him. That is just silly. Right now he is promising but he has a micron thin NFL resume and it is asking a lot for a new coach like Harbaugh to hook his star to such an inexperienced wagon. In case anyone forgot, Billick did that with Boller and we saw how that turned out.
And what, exactly, have Ryan or Brohm or Henne or Flacco or Johnson done in the NFL?
Tiffany

United States

#100 Apr 13, 2008
How these so called "football analysts" get they're jobs is beyond me. I wonder if to become one, you have to forget half of what you know and never look back at footage of times past. What is also intriguing is how so many are willing to back a 2nd rate WHITE QB and not a 1st rate BLACK QB. Predjudice still exists in spades.

So they are calling for a possible Ryan, Brohm, or god forbid HENNE to be the next QB of the future for the Ravens. Well kiss my arse and call me Homer but in all seriousness....WTF!!!??

Did I perhaps watch a dream sequence of how Troy Smith for 3 yrs beat a Henne lead team? Soooooo now the Ravens want the QB that could not win the games that Troy Smith won???

Now fellas, i know i'm a girl here and maybe am not as sports fanatic as most men are. I mean I shop at Victoria Secret and read Jane Austen novels for crying out softly, but even I , I am amatur football lover can see no sense in this.

YOUR GOING TO END UP DRAFING A QB WITH EQUAL OR LESS THAN EQUAL ABILITY AND TALENT AS WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE!!!!....Not to mention the fact that from what the other guys on the ravens team have said about Troy, they back him up completely. Which, last time I checked...for a QB to be successful, doesn't he need the backing of his teammates?

So so, let me get this right, your going to WASTE a draft pick onnnn a QB , that's not as good or mmmmmaybe equally as good (big maybe taking in Troy's intangibles) as what you already have , that will have to earn the respect and commendation of his teammates, and might I add, will prob be an annoying white boy thinking he's the next Montana or Brady.

I'm sorry guys but I'm tired of boring white good ole' boy QB's. We need more Warren Moon's, Rodney Peete's, and Donovan McNabb's. Not to bring race into the issue but dammit , this is about race b/c it seems like everytime a promising black QB comes around every person is eager to see them fail.

You know what I hope? I hope you do cut or have to trade Troy Smith. Then, he will , inevitably get a shot at another team and become the great QB that he was destined to be. And you Ravens? You will get another non-athletic, boring white boy to add to your collection of crap QBs

Best Regards,

Tiffany

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#101 Apr 13, 2008
Tiffany wrote:
Now fellas, i know i'm a girl here and maybe am not as sports fanatic as most men are. I mean I shop at Victoria Secret
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