Giving Modell thanks -

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Ravens_Flock

Chico, CA

#1 Oct 24, 2007
Damn......Browns fans need to get the f*ck over it already. They only went without a team for three seasons, and they still got to keep THEIR team, it didn't got anywhere. They're not the NEW Browns, they're the Browns, same as they ever were, period, and I get really tired of people saying different. The Ravens were started as a brand new franchise, an EXPANSION franchise, they are not now, nor were they ever, the Baltimore Browns. The town named the team, and they chose well, naming it after Edgar Allen Poe, one of my favorite writers of all time, which by the way was a major reason I started following the team.

But yes, the Browns fanbase needs to get over their hate of Model. They still have their damned franchise, and he got to get the hell out of that town, that didn't respect his talent or vision, and he brought football back to Baltimore, creating what I personally consider to be the greatest NFL franchise of all time (My Opinion). Then again....there still seem to be a lot of old Baltimore Colts fans in B-more that just can't seem to get over that loss either...even though they have a GREAT team that won a Super Bowl in it's first five years. Nevermind that though.

Art Modell is a great man, and I honor him for creating the team that I love. It's a little known fact that he is actually connected to three teams, all in the same division, because not only did he lead the Browns franchise for so many years, but he was also directly responsible (in a way), for the creation of the Bengals, as well as of course the Baltimore Ravens. All in all, I think he made a great decision, and even though the Ravens sure do seem to have some seriously ungrateful fans sometimes......it's still a magnificent franchise, and I'm proud of the Modell Family.
Bob S

Augusta, ME

#2 Oct 24, 2007
Modell has been good to Baltimore. Good to see him honored and have all those players and associates come out.
Mark S

Hermitage, TN

#3 Oct 24, 2007
Browns fans need to get over it? Colts fans were still making a big deal out of it when the Ravens played the Colts last year. And, after decades of whining about the Colts leaving, they go ahead and steal a team that drew much better than the Colts ever did and had the best local TV ratings in the NFL at the time.

Art Modell is a pathological liar. He absolutely promised that no decision would be made about the Browns until a fter the 1995 season and then announced the move before the season was over. Gov. Glendenning described the "secret knocks" and other less than honest methods by which the seal was done.

The only reason the Browns were able to keep their colors, name, etc was that Modell lied when he signed a lease with the city and it was the price he had to pay to get out of his deal without a lawsuit. If Modell is a "great man" Irsay is a God.

The Ravens were an expansion team? oh come on.....thatís delusional. The only reason Cleveland got a new team was they fought like hell for it. They didnít just whine.
Steve Silber

Parkville, MD

#4 Oct 24, 2007
Cleveland=get over it/Modell belongs in the HOF, you have a team, your colors, stop beong emotional & let them man have his glory while he is alive
Truth

Falls Church, VA

#5 Oct 24, 2007
Mark S wrote:
Browns fans need to get over it? Colts fans were still making a big deal out of it when the Ravens played the Colts last year. And, after decades of whining about the Colts leaving, they go ahead and steal a team that drew much better than the Colts ever did and had the best local TV ratings in the NFL at the time.
Art Modell is a pathological liar. He absolutely promised that no decision would be made about the Browns until a fter the 1995 season and then announced the move before the season was over. Gov. Glendenning described the "secret knocks" and other less than honest methods by which the seal was done.
The only reason the Browns were able to keep their colors, name, etc was that Modell lied when he signed a lease with the city and it was the price he had to pay to get out of his deal without a lawsuit. If Modell is a "great man" Irsay is a God.
The Ravens were an expansion team? oh come on.....thatís delusional. The only reason Cleveland got a new team was they fought like hell for it. They didnít just whine.
Mark, you are an idiot and know nothing about what you speak. Modell gave the colors back because he was smart enough to know Baltimore would not embrace the ugly piece of crap unis. PERIOD. Baltimore isn't like Indy. We are loyal and do not ride on the coatails of otehr cities greatness (as Indy does).

and if the Ravens HAD been an expansion team, we would have been better off. We had to take your piece of garbage team and try to put quality on the field. We did it right though, winning a SB a few years later.....something the Browns will never do.
Truth

Falls Church, VA

#6 Oct 24, 2007
..oh and also.....Cleveland fans are the biggest whinners on the planet!
Mark K

United States

#7 Oct 24, 2007
Modell is a liar and should burn in hell. Just as B'more hates Irsay for what he did, the same applies to Modell. He did the secret sweetheart deal and still ended up screwing away the team. I remember perfectly him saying "I will never move this team, but may consider selling it" before the 95 season. The only reason they were able to put together the SB team was because of the money he poured into buying the SB. Haven't got close since, have ya? The only redeeming factor in B'more is Ozzie.
Steve

Fort Worth, TX

#8 Oct 24, 2007
Art Modell a NFL pioneer? You have got to be kidding me! He is nothing but a carpetbagger that was always out to line his own pockets. Wake up ...he never cared about the fans he just was out to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but don't categorize him as a NFL pioneer. The men that proceeded Modell are the true pioneers - George Halas, Dan Rooney, et al. His teams were normally underperforming and he totally mismanaged money which got him into trouble in the first place. Go ahead an honor him in Baltimore - he brought you a team - but don't disgrace the rest of us by saying he was a NFL pioneer. What a joke!
Truth

Falls Church, VA

#9 Oct 24, 2007
Mark K wrote:
Modell is a liar and should burn in hell. Just as B'more hates Irsay for what he did, the same applies to Modell. He did the secret sweetheart deal and still ended up screwing away the team. I remember perfectly him saying "I will never move this team, but may consider selling it" before the 95 season. The only reason they were able to put together the SB team was because of the money he poured into buying the SB. Haven't got close since, have ya? The only redeeming factor in B'more is Ozzie.
Boy....."Mark: must mean idiot in this forum. It cracks me up when people bash Modell and use arguements which have no basis in reality. But again, that is the definition of a moron isn't it???

The Ravens got to the SB by expertly drafting and adding a few veterans where need be. One cannot "buy a SB" anymore. That ended around 1984. We are the model of how to build a franchise and win the SB and had the best Defense of all time.

The Brownstains on the other hand are models of stupidity, incompetance and ineptitude.
Truth

Falls Church, VA

#10 Oct 24, 2007
Steve wrote:
Art Modell a NFL pioneer? You have got to be kidding me! He is nothing but a carpetbagger that was always out to line his own pockets. Wake up ...he never cared about the fans he just was out to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but don't categorize him as a NFL pioneer. The men that proceeded Modell are the true pioneers - George Halas, Dan Rooney, et al. His teams were normally underperforming and he totally mismanaged money which got him into trouble in the first place. Go ahead an honor him in Baltimore - he brought you a team - but don't disgrace the rest of us by saying he was a NFL pioneer. What a joke!
He is a pioneer and only an ignorant fool would say anything diffrent.
Truth

Falls Church, VA

#11 Oct 24, 2007
Bottom line is......if all you Cleveland idiots want to be mad at someone, be mad at the NFL itself. It is because of their mishandling of expansion that all these teams moved (including the Browns). If they had done expansion correctly, there would be a team in LA and NO team in Jacksonville which is the way it should be. The NFL had all these cities do these dog and pony shows and go to great lengths to attract a team and lo and behold, the current teams saw these deals and wanted to move becasue they were better deals than what they had. If expansion had been done differently, the Browns would have had nowhere to move to.
No HOF 4 Art

Cleveland, OH

#12 Oct 24, 2007
Truth wrote:
Bottom line is......if all you Cleveland idiots want to be mad at someone, be mad at the NFL itself. It is because of their mishandling of expansion that all these teams moved (including the Browns). If they had done expansion correctly, there would be a team in LA and NO team in Jacksonville which is the way it should be. The NFL had all these cities do these dog and pony shows and go to great lengths to attract a team and lo and behold, the current teams saw these deals and wanted to move becasue they were better deals than what they had. If expansion had been done differently, the Browns would have had nowhere to move to.
And who was involved in those selections, Fart Morehell. Burn in hell Art.
GHT

Portland, OR

#13 Oct 24, 2007
If you listen to everything that he's done for the NFL, mainly marketing and Tv revenue ideas that are still in place today, it's amazing they can keep him out. Unfortunatley he'll get in but only after his death. He'll never experience the joy. At least he got his SB under his belt!! Can't take that away from him.
mdb

Pleasanton, CA

#14 Oct 24, 2007
art modell was a lousy operator in cleveland. he got into financial trouble and then instead of doing the honorable thing by selling the team he moved it to Baltimore, where he then had to sell the team! he was an innovative marketing guy in the 1960s, but that was it. he may be a decent human, a nice guy, swell to have at parties...but he was a lousy operator for decades. imagine not being able to make money in the nfl!
GHT

Portland, OR

#15 Oct 24, 2007
mdb wrote:
imagine not being able to make money in the nfl!
I can having to opperate out of the dump of a stadium you had by the lake. If other owners were given new tax payer paid stadiums why is it so bad that he tried? At least he didn't hold the city hostage for 10 years like Irsay. Modell spoke his peace, failed and went were the grass was greener. He didn't play you. Any other owner that didn't have to move because a stadium was built, would have had the city not stepped up to the plate.
GHT

Portland, OR

#16 Oct 24, 2007
plus the damn Indians and Cavs had brand new Palaces built but had half the recognition the Browns had. That had to hurt Modell deeply.
Blast Furniss

Irving, TX

#17 Oct 24, 2007
Art Modell was the worst owner in the history of the NFL. The man sold out every game in Cleveland yet Art couldn't make money because Art has always been a lousy businessman. Why do you think Modell no longer owns the Ravens? Because Art has never known his a** from his elbow. The man is a con artist. Even Bill Bidwell has managed to hold onto his franchise and has there ever been a more poorly run franchise than the Cardinals?
Art gave up his chance to go to the Hall of Fame when he moved to Baltimore. Tony Grossi isn't keeping Art Modell out of the hall of fame. Art is responsible for that.
Hey Ravens Flock, what is the "talent and vision" of Modell's that we didn't appreciate? Was it the decision to borrow money that he coudn't repay? Was it to pass up the opportunity to get a new stadium when the Cavs and Indians did? Was it moving a franchise to another city and still having to sell it because you're too much of an idiot to make it work? There's a special spot in hell waiting for Art Modell and judging by the looks of him, he'll be there soon.
Blast Furniss

Irving, TX

#18 Oct 24, 2007
Hey GHT...The fact of the matter is that the city leaders came to Modell and asked him to participate in what was known as the Gateway project. Modell declined. He chose to stay in the old stadium. When he finally spoke up an issue was put on the ballot to refurbish the stadium. Unbeknownst to everyone at that point was that Modell had begun
secret negotiations with Baltimore to move the team.

Oh and Truth...the truth about expansion was Art campaigned against Baltimore getting a team.

Art the great tv negotiator was given the opportunity to step down from his post on the tv committee as a sign of respect by the other owners but they were ready to oust him after he gave the networks rebates on a previous contract.

Do not attempt to rewrite history to rehab Modell's image or legacy. The truth cannot be denied.
Greco Romansky

College Park, MD

#19 Oct 24, 2007
I'm no fan of Art Modell, but Paul Tagliabue has to take some of the blame, too. If Tagliabue had done the right thing back in 1993, expansion franchises would have been awarded to Baltimore and St. Louis.

Those two cities had the best plans/offers on the table. Instead, Tagliabue opted to go with "growing southern markets" for expansion, even though their proposals were inferior to the proposals by Baltimore and St. Louis.

Had St. Louis and Baltimore been chosen, funding for a new stadium in Carolina, and money for stadium improvements in Jacksonville would have dried up. Both were contingent upon being awarded NFL franchises.

The rash of moves that was about to take place in the NFL was a direct result of Tagliabue's decision and the team owners' rubber stamp vote in favor of it. Since stadium funding was firmly in place in Baltimore, and a new stadium already built in St. Louis, they became attractive options for owners unhappy with their situations at the time.

Had Baltimore and St. Louis been awarded expansion franchises here is the scenario that would likely have played out:

The Rams stay in Los Angeles. L.A. would have lost Raiders, but at least the NFL would still have a franchise in the second largest TV market in the country. With no place to go, Georgia Frontierre would have been forced to find a way for the Rams to be even more profitable, and quite possibly would have found private funding for a new stadium.

The Browns would have stayed in Cleveland. Modell would have been forced to sell the team to local owners to escape his financial troubles. That would have been the right thing to do, anyway, but he would have had no other option since he couldn't move to a city with an open stadium offer on the table. Something else to consider, Modell was loved in northeast Ohio until his decision to move. People always filled the seats, no matter how well the Browns played. Had he asked for public support for public money for a new stadium, he would have gotten it, easily.

With the atmosphere concerning moves vastly different, Bud Adams does not move the Oilers out of Houston. Instead, he sells the franchise, or strikes a deal for private funding for a new stadium.

Later, expansion puts teams in viable markets like Nashville and Charlotte.

Think of how much rode on that decision in 1993. Had Tagliabue done the right thing, the NFL would be stronger today, have the 2nd largest TV market covered, have teams in markets that make sense, and Art Modell would not be villified.
Cleveland Brown

Raleigh, NC

#20 Oct 24, 2007
What's next? Munich honoring Adolf Hitler or something? Sheesh.

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