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The best of

There are 37 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Jun 14, 2008, titled The best of. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

It has been the source of a major debate for years. Who is the best Raven - Jonathan Ogden or Ray Lewis ? It's really no contest.

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ravensLJ

Huntingtown, MD

#21 Jun 14, 2008
WHAT A JOKE!

Lewis led the team to a superbowl. Ogden enjoyed the ride.

Lewis has been a leader is entire career. Ogden started speaking up about 2 years ago.
Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#22 Jun 14, 2008
Bob S wrote:
May I remind edward keller and others who will once again thrash Preston here, this is simply one man's opinion. He presents facts, angles and his point of view. Best Ravens ever on both sides of the ball - that was basically Mike's point.
Mike Preston has no validity. Once he called BB a rascist for not playing a black QB, he lost any shred of validity.
WTFO

Towson, MD

#23 Jun 14, 2008
shrimptrawler wrote:
This is really a foolish article. A great debate between Ogden and Lewis? I've never heard anyone debate that.
It sounds to me as yet another opportunity for Preston to go after Brian Billick, and his not taking advantage of the "Luxury" we had at LT.
Mike, look at your foolish poll numbers - Its unscientific, but it hardly supports your claim.
It still amazes me after all these years, that Ray Lewis draws his critics. If it isn't in his all-around play, than it is in the way he speaks. Or it is in his antics, or way he celebrates on the field. Firing up the crowd or his teammates is a priceless commodity.
I think its truly sad if anyone actually believes JO is better than Ray. When Ray Lewis retires, this city will be crying that he is gone. His leadership and ability to make the others around him play better are unparalleled. He gave his teammates and his fans reason to believe they had a chance to win when the offense continually let them down on most sundays.
Look at the players who played with Ray, particularly linebackers. Jamie Sharper and Edgerton Hartwell - Ray helped make those guys multi-millionaires as free agents - but they weren't able to live up to expectations, because Ray helped make them look better in other teams eyes.
When a 6'9 man throws his helmet on the sideline and has a temper tantrum - how exactly does that help the rest of the offense? If I'm the other offensive players, I would see that "Model" and cry and whine also INSTEAD of working together to try and IMPROVE on your teammates around you. I didn't see evidence that JO made his other lineman better.
I think that is selfish on JO's part. I think that his conditioning is also not something to win over teammates. Does Ray ever come to camp out of shape? Does Ray ever hold out of training camp? I think the ravens were seriously set back last year because Adam Terry had to practice almost exclusively at LT, but he needed more reps at RT, because that was where he was going to play when the season started.
JO will be in the Hall-of-fame. But I'm glad he is gone. We have a new coach, new offense, new QBs, and like it or not, a new offensive line. Who knows? Maybe Jason Brown or Ben Grubbs will go to the Pro Bowl in JO's place. How many pro bowls did Mulitalo, Flynn, etc go to?
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WTFO

Towson, MD

#24 Jun 14, 2008
ravensLJ wrote:
WHAT A JOKE!
Lewis led the team to a superbowl. Ogden enjoyed the ride.
Lewis has been a leader is entire career. Ogden started speaking up about 2 years ago.
agree completely. Remember JO's leadership when he stepped over a fallen Boller after yet another breakdown on the line. hell did you hear his quote at an interview the other day--he thinks he's god. Giveme a break Preston! Lewis anyday!!
WTFO

Towson, MD

#25 Jun 14, 2008
Art Modell wrote:
Shouldn't this article be who is the best Brown of all time? You'd have to go to with Bernie Kosar you inner harbor suckwads
go back to your car assembly line job white trash
Dan

Parkville, MD

#26 Jun 14, 2008
1. It's the offseason, so of course these articles will be brought up to generate readership, deabate, etc.

2. Anyone who says JO's work ethic, dedication, and desire to be the best at his position are less than excellent...is an idiot. Dude is a freak of nature, and BY FAR, the best Raven ever. Listen, I DO NOT LIKE PRESTON EITHER, but HE AND I, are dead on here. JO had the cards stacked against him from the time Teddy baseball (er-football) Marchibroda was removed, and the offense stats don't dispute that.Ray Ray had a host of weapons around him on the defense, and of course, he elevated their level of play also, but if you had to assign a grade on their individual talents, I would say JO grades out higher than Ray. I wish I had quotes from NFL scouts on this, but I would bet JO would be looked at his
Prospect Expert

United States

#27 Jun 14, 2008
Art Modell wrote:
Shouldn't this article be who is the best Brown of all time? You'd have to go to with Bernie Kosar you inner harbor suckwads
Well, what do we have here? A true Cleveland steemer if ever there was one!
Billick

United States

#29 Jun 15, 2008
What about Boller ?
P D C

New York, NY

#30 Jun 15, 2008
While it is difficult to argue against the strength and performance Ogden displayed during his NFL career in Baltimore, I think it a tough call to put Ray Lewis in this light--though I admit, it is not taking much away from him. But during the Super Bowl run (and most other games) who was there at just about every tackle? Who was the one who cleared his name after a sticky situation and has announcers cheering for him, admiring him, any time the Ravens wind up on national TV? It's no surprise to see R. Lewis near just about every defensive play. And each year for a long time the pre-season reports kept telling us how R. Lewis was in better shape, put on a bit more weight, and somehow still increased the time of his 40. Young athletes in the Baltimore area routinely list R. Lewis as their favorite athlete. Off the field, in terms of community commitment and outreach, he can't be matched. On the field, in terms of intensity and all-out energy and passion, he holds his own. Sure Ogden has his position locked up and is no doubt at the top of the list of best defensive players ever. What he did was important, but different. Ray Lewis cannot, and will not, be matched in all around performance and intensity.
Jeremiah

Baltimore, MD

#31 Jun 15, 2008
The argument that Ray had better help is not relavent because J.O. did need some help, some scheme, some playcalling and some quarterbacks who did like to fumble without contact.

They both have very strong arguments as the best players at the respective position, but Ray has a pretty convincing one as the best MB, possibly the best LB ever.

Ray also took down Barry Sanders, Emmit, Terrel Davis, Ricky Williams, Fred Taylor, LT, LJ, Marshal Faulk, Corey Dillon, made him want to quit the Bungles.

Ray changed the game from the linebacker position. He could take down the biggest backs in the NFL solo, shed linemen and could still take shots deep over the middle on WR and TE targets 25 yards down the middle and beat the fastest backs in the game to the corner time after time. He can add the coaching and motivational impact to his argument and push it over the top.
James Perkins from VA

Nashville, TN

#32 Jun 15, 2008
It's really hard for me to say which one of these guys are the best Raven. It's just a matter of what you look for in the question. We could debate this all day and still not have a clear cut choice. What do you base it off of? If it's production on the field a lot of folks may go with Ray considering what he has done at ILB for us throughout his tenure with us. He is not only one of the best ILB ever to play, but one of the best all time at any LB spot. But on the same token, JO is a guy who was great for us all the way until really the last 2 seasons. One of the best LT's that the game ever saw strap on pads. He even said a huge highlight for him was when Jamal ran for the 2nd most yards in a season. What 11 straight PBs to boot? Both have a ring, both are 2 of the greats of all time at their pos, both will represent the Baltimore Ravens in the HOF. So, for me I can't choose one of these guys over the other unless you nit pick on why they should be the greatest.

JO will be missed this year though. I hope Gaither can do at best decent job. He had better have a short memory and take it a play at a time. Hopefully we will keep Ray, too. I just can't see him in another uniform. That would be nuts. If we lose him, we had better hope we can fill that void. Not easy shoes for someone to have to fill in Baltimore. Thanks for reading!!!

Thanks

JPerkVA
Mongo

Bowling Green, VA

#33 Jun 16, 2008
Silly drivel article based on a simplistic poll. Guess someone needed to validate their journalistic paycheck.

That said, drivel is what blogs are built on, so my $0.02 as follows:

If one had to choose which player to draft, based on their college history interviews and workouts, I would take Ogden first (as the Ravens did do) since the LT position is the foundation of an offense.

Throw in the since-demonstrated intangibles of leadership, drive, and motivation that are hard to accurately assess in a draft, I would select Lewis as the ultimate Raven. He inspired others to work harder than they ever had, both in season and out, and revolutionized the position. His personality has drawn some key free agents to consider the Ravens over other teams, and he is a leader in the local community. Yeah he is demonstrative and loud, but unlike most he more than backs it up.
dave

Reno, NV

#34 Jun 16, 2008
I agree with you on most things that you write, but i completely disagree with you about this. It would be different if during these years the Ravens had a more productive offense or QB's worth protecting. The Ravens won because of their defense; Ray Lewis was the greatest Raven ever.
Raven fan

Bad Axe, MI

#35 Jun 16, 2008
Why in the world would anyone pose such a question at this time?!?! JO is gone and Ray is still here. The last thing we need is to make Ray feel less appreciated. This COULD be up for discussion when Ray is also retiered. BUT HE HAS NOT! Its not even fair to pose this question because Ray still has more time to accomplish things -JO does not.

It is very dissapointing that Preston continues with this low level reporting. Unfortunately, I believe he has become a liability that the editorial team needs to address.
Jared

United States

#36 Jun 16, 2008
Sorry Balt Sun, but M. Prestion is worst sports writer ever.
Scott G

Alexandria, VA

#37 Jun 16, 2008
WTFO wrote:
<quoted text>
go back to your car assembly line job white trash
He can't go back to the assembly line, they were shut down because their car manufacturing sucked.
Ray

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Jun 24, 2008
With all due respects, Ray Lewis is THE best Raven of all time. This team has been led for a decade by their defense and Ray Lewis is synonymous with that. They won a Super Bowl due strictly to their defense. The year they won the Super Bowl, the Raven offense went a MONTH (I believe October) without scoring an offensive touchdown yet they still won. The Ravens have been competitive for a decade SOLELY because of their defense. Marvin Lewis, Duane Starks, Jamie Sharper, Sam Adams, Kim Herring, etc. have all come and gone and the schemes have changed (4/3 defense to a 3/4 and back to a 4/3 with a 46 defense thrown in), but the Raven Defense has remained very good to great due to the play AND presence of #52. To be honest the Raven offense has been an abomination for 10 years and the quarterbacks have been even worse whether Jon Ogden was there or not to protect them. Ray Lewis in a landslide!

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