Henne, defense make it look easy

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The last time the Dolphins won three exhibition games was before the 2000 season, and that team followed up those warmups by producing an 11-5 record, making the playoffs.
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JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#85 Aug 29, 2008
Armchair Analyst wrote:
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I have been, and still am, in favor of keeping Beck and trading/releasing McCown. I am still stubbornly of the opinion that Beck can be salvaged, but I have to agree, JAK, that Henne has the "it" that defines good QB's and represents the future. While I'd like to retain Beck as a backup, I don't think it would be good for him personally and I wouldn't be adverse to a trade if the right opportunity came along.(I gave an affirmative opinion on a scenario suggested by "Marinofan13" on another thread. That scenario, which he and I both know won't happen, involved Beck as part of a package deal to get Anquan Boldin)!
But I agree with you on Henne and am excited to see what the future holds!
Well, turns out you got your wish. I can't believe a team gave us somethng for McCown. Guess we keep Beck....for now.
Armchair Analyst

Buffalo, NY

#86 Aug 29, 2008
crash1 wrote:
<quoted text> Great post. I agree why are some fans always in a hurry to trade our best players. Not only is he one of our best players, last year he was having the best year of all the other teams running backs till the injury. we need players like Ronnie. Your also right about this teams turn around, not complete by no means but for the first time in years you can see they have an idea of how to build a team. I dont mind waiting as long as I know this team has real direction. Nothing is worse then knowing you have no chance to win and no hope for the future.
Yes, the rebuilding has begun and, finally, has direction. If we can have some patience, we very well may once again be an NFL powerhouse. But this regime is methodical. They have a thought-out reason for every move and won't deviate from the plan just to appease people. The previous regime, on the other hand, well ... they were just inept.

While most teams are trying w/o success to acquire a RB tandem of the Ronnie/Ricky caliber, some of our fans seem intent on breaking it up. I don't get it. I guess it's hard sometimes to recognize the wealth when it's right under your nose--a little like the blind man who sells a diamond for a dollar.
Armchair Analyst

Buffalo, NY

#87 Aug 29, 2008
JAK wrote:
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Well, turns out you got your wish. I can't believe a team gave us somethng for McCown. Guess we keep Beck....for now.
Yeah, I saw that. We'll see what happens. One thing's for sure: the wheeling and dealing isn't over.

I'm really kind of stunned myself that we got anything for McCown. Granted, it's almost certainly not a very high pick, but still ... it contributes to flexibility on draft day as another poster astutely pointed out. I like it.
JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#88 Aug 29, 2008
Armchair Analyst wrote:
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Yeah, I saw that. We'll see what happens. One thing's for sure: the wheeling and dealing isn't over.
I'm really kind of stunned myself that we got anything for McCown. Granted, it's almost certainly not a very high pick, but still ... it contributes to flexibility on draft day as another poster astutely pointed out. I like it.
Meant to ask what the hell you're doing in Buffalo? But anyway, the trade of McCown is good on three levels.

First, we got something, anything for him.

Second, it ended the "who's the 3rd QB drama".

And lastly, and maybe most importantly, Beck's trade value just went up. Since he's not getting cut, if a team wants him, they have to make a reasonable offer or we'll just keep him.

Another solid and thought-out move by Ireland and crew. These guys are making every personnel department we've had since 1983 look like amateurs.
JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#89 Aug 29, 2008
Armchair Analyst wrote:
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Yes, the rebuilding has begun and, finally, has direction. If we can have some patience, we very well may once again be an NFL powerhouse. But this regime is methodical. They have a thought-out reason for every move and won't deviate from the plan just to appease people. The previous regime, on the other hand, well ... they were just inept.
While most teams are trying w/o success to acquire a RB tandem of the Ronnie/Ricky caliber, some of our fans seem intent on breaking it up. I don't get it. I guess it's hard sometimes to recognize the wealth when it's right under your nose--a little like the blind man who sells a diamond for a dollar.
That "blind man" is the Jets who gave us our QB for NOTHING just because a well-past his prime Brett Favre became available on the cheap. A very Spielman-esque move if there ever was one.

Since: Jun 07

Gainesville, GA

#90 Aug 29, 2008
JAK wrote:
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Meant to ask what the hell you're doing in Buffalo? But anyway, the trade of McCown is good on three levels.
First, we got something, anything for him.
Second, it ended the "who's the 3rd QB drama".
And lastly, and maybe most importantly, Beck's trade value just went up. Since he's not getting cut, if a team wants him, they have to make a reasonable offer or we'll just keep him.
Another solid and thought-out move by Ireland and crew. These guys are making every personnel department we've had since 1983 look like amateurs.
I donmt think Beck is going anywhere, do you realy think they are going to go with just 2 QB's? the COLTS could do that because they have a proven Ironman at QB in Peyton, but CHad Pennington isnt. If Chad P goes down, they will have to then have a back up for HENNE. Beck would be the best for that job. 3rd string will suit him. The fubles, not all of which are his fault, the one in the KC game wasnt his fault, can be worked on.
Seems the guy who knows, decided to KEEP Beck. Maybe th real football guys know it is to early to gve up totally om Beck, like the FALCONS did with Brett Favre in 1991! OR the BUCS did with Steve Young.
In any case, Penningtons gonna do good for us !
GO PHINS!
pfft

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#91 Aug 30, 2008
="JET FAN"]I told you losers Beck was a little Twerp

NO one drafts as bad as the "not yets". Your #1 pick this year has already disappointed....losers!
JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#92 Aug 30, 2008
BravPhin wrote:
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I donmt think Beck is going anywhere, do you realy think they are going to go with just 2 QB's? the COLTS could do that because they have a proven Ironman at QB in Peyton, but CHad Pennington isnt. If Chad P goes down, they will have to then have a back up for HENNE. Beck would be the best for that job. 3rd string will suit him. The fubles, not all of which are his fault, the one in the KC game wasnt his fault, can be worked on.
Seems the guy who knows, decided to KEEP Beck. Maybe th real football guys know it is to early to gve up totally om Beck, like the FALCONS did with Brett Favre in 1991! OR the BUCS did with Steve Young.
In any case, Penningtons gonna do good for us !
GO PHINS!
I don't think Beck is going anywhere either, at least this year. But that doesn't mean he's good. It means another team was willing to trade for McCown, not Beck.

Either way, if a team is playing their 3rd QB, no matter whom it is, that team is in trouble. Let's hope Pennington stays healthy and goes all 16, maybe give Henne some action here and there too.

But if Beck turns out like Steve Young or Brett Favre, YOU should quit whatever you do now and become an NFL GM immediately because you see something most don't.

See you there Sept. 7th!
marinofan13

Wilkes Barre, PA

#93 Aug 30, 2008
JAK wrote:
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I'd love to trade him too. But if you were an NFL GM, and let's assume you want to keep your job; what would you give Miami for John Beck?
You, Marinofan13, would NEVER offer anything better than a 7th. But Rick Spielman is out there. So is Randy Mueller. So you never know.
Actually, I'm not advocating that we trade or release Beck at all. I see enough potential in him to retain his services. All I'm saying is that if the Tuna does decide to part with him, he better not be released outright. If we can't find a suitor for "appropriate trade value" (whatever that may be in the Tuna's eyes), we may as well hang on to him.

With the trade of McCown, methinks Beck is going to be here for at least another year... I applaud this move. Good call on Spielman and Mueller!

Since: Jun 07

Gainesville, GA

#94 Aug 30, 2008
JAK wrote:
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I don't think Beck is going anywhere either, at least this year. But that doesn't mean he's good. It means another team was willing to trade for McCown, not Beck.
Either way, if a team is playing their 3rd QB, no matter whom it is, that team is in trouble. Let's hope Pennington stays healthy and goes all 16, maybe give Henne some action here and there too.
But if Beck turns out like Steve Young or Brett Favre, YOU should quit whatever you do now and become an NFL GM immediately because you see something most don't.
See you there Sept. 7th!
What I do see, is a kid(in NFL terms) that hasnt been in the best situation for him, thanks to crappy coaching last year, and right now, alot of bad luck. I am not saying he wil be as good as FAVRE, but I was in ATL area when FAVRE was drafted, and HE was as bad looking, possibly WORSE than what Beck looked since we drafted Beck. ANd BECK has a way better work ethic than BRETT FAVRE had in 1991. The Falcons had GOOD reason to trade Brett. Tjose that say he is a definate bust are jumping to conclusions too soon.
ALL the experts on every NFL show concerning the draft, and when you can get the most accurate grade , all say that is 3 years AFTER the draft. And QB is the hardest possition to learn. SO how can anyone say any qb is a bust before then? IF BECK is still butterfingers on snaps in 2010, then he is a bust. Most people here voted to KEEP Beck for a reason. Not that he has gotten everyone in AWE of him, but that it s too sooon to give up. no 2 people develop at the same rate. BEck does need to learn a bit faster tho, because of his age, if he ever thinks he will be a starter.
JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#95 Aug 30, 2008
BravPhin wrote:
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What I do see, is a kid(in NFL terms) that hasnt been in the best situation for him, thanks to crappy coaching last year, and right now, alot of bad luck. I am not saying he wil be as good as FAVRE, but I was in ATL area when FAVRE was drafted, and HE was as bad looking, possibly WORSE than what Beck looked since we drafted Beck. ANd BECK has a way better work ethic than BRETT FAVRE had in 1991. The Falcons had GOOD reason to trade Brett. Tjose that say he is a definate bust are jumping to conclusions too soon.
ALL the experts on every NFL show concerning the draft, and when you can get the most accurate grade , all say that is 3 years AFTER the draft. And QB is the hardest possition to learn. SO how can anyone say any qb is a bust before then? IF BECK is still butterfingers on snaps in 2010, then he is a bust. Most people here voted to KEEP Beck for a reason. Not that he has gotten everyone in AWE of him, but that it s too sooon to give up. no 2 people develop at the same rate. BEck does need to learn a bit faster tho, because of his age, if he ever thinks he will be a starter.
What's done is done. He's here. Let's hope it's the last we have to talk about him this season.
RONNIE

AOL

#96 Aug 30, 2008
AS A DOLPHIN FAN I SEE THE FINS WINNING 13 GAMES THIS YEAR. WHY.OL DL LB KR. QB RB WR. NOW WATCH WHAT PRIDE WILL MEAN. THEY ALL GET PAID VERY WELL. JUST LIKE THE TEAM IN NE.THE COUNT DOWN START WITH 4 SACKS THE JETS QB.
RONNIE

AOL

#97 Aug 30, 2008
ok thanks first time for me.but my goal for trhe fins this year is shut all the big mouths up saying the fin might win 4 games they are nuts
Armchair Analyst

Buffalo, NY

#98 Aug 30, 2008
JAK wrote:
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That "blind man" is the Jets who gave us our QB for NOTHING just because a well-past his prime Brett Favre became available on the cheap. A very Spielman-esque move if there ever was one.
Actually, from the Jets perspective I can see (as I previously said to Jet fan Greg)why they went after Favre ONCE THEY HAD ALREADY PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN THIS YR'S BASKET WITH THEIR OFFSEASON SIGNINGS. They obviously are banking on making the SB this yr. To me, perhaps the bigger mistake than bringing Favre in was panicking and going on the spending spree for overpriced vets at a number of positions (Faneca, Jenkins, Pace) and not trading Pennington, sending him out of the division and getting draft picks for him. Then, to allow him to come to Miami, their competitor, for nothing and not only accelerate the rebuilding process but giving Miami the perfect guy to help groom Henne and a group of young wideouts, is really stupid.

I definitely would not have done what the Jets did, but I'm glad they did what they did b/c it'll backfire in the long run. Miami's youth movement and patient approach will be paying big dividends just about the time the Jets are forced by their recent moves into a total rebuilding project--including needing to find their "QB of the future" and being no closer to answering the question--all the while having a busted cap and being unable to pursue with flexibility what they need.

Since: Jun 07

Gainesville, GA

#99 Aug 30, 2008
JAK wrote:
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What's done is done. He's here. Let's hope it's the last we have to talk about him this season.
Or , if we do, this regime has gotten the fumblitis out of him!
I am happy with how it played out. Penn starting, Henne deserves the #2 role. Reagen was cut, we got a pick for Mccown. All is well! Now its time to beat the jets. The trifecta has done a great job so far, IMO!
DEFENDER

United States

#100 Aug 30, 2008
Like I said eariler.....
If McCown was going to stay they probably would have been playing him.
Beck is freaked out and his performance provides it, He's making all the mistakes a worried player makes, and here's why.
He gets escorted in here with a hero's welcome as the potential starter, then freaked under pressure, typical no offensive line scared the s h i t out of him. Then the tuna arrives, looks right past him like he's a dent in a locker room door.I'm sure every player felt the same way.
Then along comes McCown then Henne the new hero's, that had to impact Beck some. I'm a strong believer in building character earning your position by competing in camp but when Pennington came in it stunned all three of them.
Parcells wants youth that's a given If he was going to keep McCown he would have played him. Some would believe he played Beck to see if he would produce, then making a decision, but I think his mind
( Parcells ) has been made up for a while. All I know is the whole team is fired up more than any team I've watched this preseason. My prediction, we make the playoffs.
JAK

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#101 Aug 31, 2008
BravPhin wrote:
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Or , if we do, this regime has gotten the fumblitis out of him!
I am happy with how it played out. Penn starting, Henne deserves the #2 role. Reagen was cut, we got a pick for Mccown. All is well! Now its time to beat the jets. The trifecta has done a great job so far, IMO!
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