Fans call an audible on Bears and An...

Fans call an audible on Bears and Angelo

There are 15 comments on the www.dailyherald.com story from Jan 6, 2008, titled Fans call an audible on Bears and Angelo. In it, www.dailyherald.com reports that:

Do not re-sign Rex Grossman! Honestly, I like him, but he's had his run in Chicago.

Sign receiver Bryant Johnson from the Arizona Cardinals. He's a good player, with about the same skills as Berrian, but cheaper.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.dailyherald.com.

“Let's rock!!”

Since: Oct 07

Aurora, IL

#1 Jan 7, 2008
Thanks again, NMR!! You and I know it is a lost battle....Angelo is a consummate politician, and he's out to cover his ass bigtime, so Wrecks will be signed for next season.

Wrecks ALWAYS looks good at camp 'cause he isn't facing realistic pressure from the Bears defenders, who have to be careful not to break Wrecks's legs any more than he has already done!

I'm afraid 2008 will look a lot like 2007, maybe worse! Urlacher is running out of steam, we have lost key defenders and will still be adjusting to Babich and his inexperience.

Otherwise life is good.

Since: Nov 07

Albany, NY

#2 Jan 8, 2008
Yeah its a big difference facing a Pep Hamilton pass rush and facing a real defense. I guess JA is just letting his pride get in the way of the best interests of the team.

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#3 Jan 8, 2008
NMR, I don't want to get into it all over again - but if Rex is so bad and we're so better off without him... can you please give us a realistic option to replace him - that is PROVEN?

Not an inkling you have about Orton - or a theory about going with a rookie in the draft (we all seen how well Russell and Quinn did in their first appearanches - 3 INT's for Russell and a 44 rating for Quinn)- but a SOLID replacement that is worth getting rid of Rex for.

We cannot afford Anderson, so I don't want to hear that. And Andy Reid confirmed last week that McNabb is staying in Philly - end of story.

We could get Rex cheap, which would allow us to spend money in other areas that need fixing long before we fix the QB position.

-offensive line
-running back

Since Chicago's offense is based around the run, and we are a RUN FIRST team, the running back position needs to be addressed, and neither the QB nor the RB can function without a line - and that's just 2 out of a long list of fixes we need.

So I'd like you to post a realistic option that is GUARANTEED to be better than Rex. And once again, I think you're blowing the QB position out of proportion. How well do you expect any QB to do with the line, running game, and receiving corps. performances we had this season?

So who do you want?

Culpepper? McCown? Lemon? Are you kidding? Please, post the almighty free agent that is supposed to come in here and fix the Bears after we give Rex the boot!

Since: Nov 07

Albany, NY

#4 Jan 8, 2008
Are you serious?...You want me to tell you a better proven option than Rex? How many different ways can we go over this?(the rex arguement)

I say don't resign him because he has "proven" that he is the 3 worst QB on our roster. Nothing will be gauranteed since I lost my crystal ball last weekend.

You say it yourself all the time...There are a lot of problems that need to be fixed..So why not save ourselves some cap space and just draft a QB? Spend the extra money on a lineman or a running back or wide receiver..Orton and Griese have proven this year that they can run the offense as well as Rex. And that is "PROVEN"
K20A2_S

Bryan, TX

#6 Jan 9, 2008
Rex definitely has the potential to be good consistant QB........but then again, that's what they kept saying about Carr

I just want to see W's ........I could care less about QB wars....

Since: Nov 07

Albany, NY

#7 Jan 9, 2008
dimz wrote:
i've said the bears were gonna re-sign Rex since week 15.
now until the contract is actually inked will NMR see that rex will indeed get a contracte extension valued at or around 17-20mill. i Honestly think NMR wants to hate rex for no other reason then attention and has become biased on what he see's or reads, but thats a seperate topic.
If you want to see our team get sucked into mediocrity for years to come then Rex is your guy...The reason I don't like him is because he's an awful QB...Anyone who's ever watched a few Bears games can figure that one out...And if thats not enough go look at his stats...My God what are you seeing in him?

Since: Nov 07

Albany, NY

#8 Jan 9, 2008
dimz wrote:
rex will indeed get a contracte extension valued at or around 17-20mill.
OK Cliff Stein

“Let's rock!!”

Since: Oct 07

Aurora, IL

#9 Jan 9, 2008
Here's the deal, gents....it is all about TIME! Bears have given Grossman five freakin' seasons to learn the basics (e.g. how to take a snap), and he STILL doesn't get it!

While we have waited & waited for Wrecks to learn and heal from numerous injuries (brought about by his lack of pocket presence, leading to sacks) our team has grown old....Urlacher has arthritis now fer cryin' out loud!

We endured this before with Cade McNown, chopping him off eventually. The team still has not recovered from the McNown/Shoop debacle, and we are back to the same situation with Rex and Turner (except Turner looks like a genius compared to Shoop).

Compare Grossman's stats to other Bears QBs at www.profootballreference.com for some insights, and also check out the Yahoo sports link for player ratings that NMR has provided in other postings. Grossman's rating for 2007 is second to last, well below Griese and Grossman.

Draft a young QB, let Griese and Orton fight it out and move this team along! No more Rex-periment please!

“Let's rock!!”

Since: Oct 07

Aurora, IL

#10 Jan 9, 2008
Here's the Yahoo link FYI: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition...

Grossman is second to last! Notice that many QBs we could have had in Chicago (Warner is one) are much higher, but these guys were not guaranteed a shot at starting so they said "No Thanks!" We only signed Griese because he was willing to sit and wait for Grossman to either get injured or benched....he wasn't much better, but he WAS better with the same O-Line, receivers etc.!

RIOG is right that many of our receivers couldn't catch a damn cold, we sure need help in that area! Muhammed can leave any time he likes, and I won't cry if Berrian goes also (but maybe we should put a fanchise tag on him?)

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#11 Jan 9, 2008
Otis wrote:
Here's the deal, gents....it is all about TIME! Bears have given Grossman five freakin' seasons to learn the basics (e.g. how to take a snap), and he STILL doesn't get it!
I don't want to start anything with you Otis, because I like you, but just to bring to your attention:

Orton has 4 fumbled snaps.

Griese has 3.

Grossman has 1.

So, sorry, but how do you pull that Rex needs to learn to take the snaps out of those numbers?

And TIME? Griese's had TEN YEARS in the league and has never taken a postseason snap in his life!
Chicagoan

United States

#12 Jan 10, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't want to start anything with you Otis, because I like you, but just to bring to your attention:
Orton has 4 fumbled snaps.
Griese has 3.
Grossman has 1.
So, sorry, but how do you pull that Rex needs to learn to take the snaps out of those numbers?
And TIME? Griese's had TEN YEARS in the league and has never taken a postseason snap in his life!
Sorry Rex, but lets set the record straight, here are your stats.

2007 Fum 6 lost 3
2006 Fum 8 lost 5
2004 Fum 2 lost 2
2004 Fum 3 lost o

Total: Fum 19 lost 10

Kyle Orton
2007 Fum 2 lost 0
2005 Fum 12 lost 5

Total: Fum 14 lost 5

Brian Griese (Chicago stats)
2007 Fum 6 lost 1
2006 Fum 1 lost 1

Dont forget with every fumble you dont lose you still lose yardage and a down. Lets not forget you also lead the team in sacks and loss of yardage after the sack, you are second in interceptions but you still have the lowest passer rating.

Besides that, look at the rest of your numbers, you are the third string QB, without question.

Since: Nov 07

Albany, NY

#13 Jan 10, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text> Griese's had TEN YEARS in the league and has never taken a postseason snap in his life!
If he would have taken some last season I really think the Bears would have been XLI Champions..
Epidemiologist at UI SPH

Aurora, IL

#14 Jan 10, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text>I don't want to start anything with you Otis, because I like you....
HE LIKES ME, HE REALLY LIKES ME!! Ha ha ha, Thanks, RIOG, you're OK too! Just a bit misguided.... 8-)

You remind me of my many Bears friends who also swear that SOMEDAY, SOMEHOW, Grossman will amount to something. I'm a doctorate candidate statistician at the University of Illinois and have looked at this a bunch of ways, it is nearly impossible to translate this work into text boxes in a forum (I've even tried to post spreadsheets!).

All three quarterbacks for the Bears (Griese, Grossman, and Orton) fit into the solid "decent" category based on past performance. Of the three, Orton seems to have the least variance in his performance (chi square test). Grossman is wildly inconsistent as you know, and all that any management can really depend for a predictor of future behavior is past performance.

That said, it appears that Angelo and Smith are sold that, following Grossman's "sabbatical" (what a slap THAT comment was!!), they are willing to pin the hopes of the Bears nation yet again on Grossman. I think the risk is much too high, given that he has had four season-ending injuries in only five seasons.

Politics will dictate that Grossman will win the starting job next season, since Angelo is desperate to prove that his draft pick is not a washout (same for Benson, but the guy is trashed with all that metal in his leg).

So, we'll have another season like the last one...defense sputters under Babich, losses to free agency will hurt, key players are a year older etc. I don't think we can draft/trade our way into the shape we were in back in 2006, do you?

I'd buy you a beer if I could, you are a Bears fan RIOG! I also used to fight like crazy for Jim Miller, so I know how you feel about Grossman. Go Bears!

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#16 Jan 14, 2008
Chicagoan wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Rex, but lets set the record straight, here are your stats.
2007 Fum 6 lost 3
2006 Fum 8 lost 5
2004 Fum 2 lost 2
2004 Fum 3 lost o
Total: Fum 19 lost 10
Kyle Orton
2007 Fum 2 lost 0
2005 Fum 12 lost 5
Total: Fum 14 lost 5
Brian Griese (Chicago stats)
2007 Fum 6 lost 1
2006 Fum 1 lost 1
Dont forget with every fumble you dont lose you still lose yardage and a down. Lets not forget you also lead the team in sacks and loss of yardage after the sack, you are second in interceptions but you still have the lowest passer rating.
Besides that, look at the rest of your numbers, you are the third string QB, without question.
Can you READ?

fumbled SNAPS. fumbled SNAPS. NOT FUMBLES. Fumbled SNAPS. getting it yet?

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#17 Jan 14, 2008
Epidemiologist at UI SPH wrote:
<quoted text>
HE LIKES ME, HE REALLY LIKES ME!! Ha ha ha, Thanks, RIOG, you're OK too! Just a bit misguided.... 8-)
You remind me of my many Bears friends who also swear that SOMEDAY, SOMEHOW, Grossman will amount to something. I'm a doctorate candidate statistician at the University of Illinois and have looked at this a bunch of ways, it is nearly impossible to translate this work into text boxes in a forum (I've even tried to post spreadsheets!).
All three quarterbacks for the Bears (Griese, Grossman, and Orton) fit into the solid "decent" category based on past performance. Of the three, Orton seems to have the least variance in his performance (chi square test). Grossman is wildly inconsistent as you know, and all that any management can really depend for a predictor of future behavior is past performance.
That said, it appears that Angelo and Smith are sold that, following Grossman's "sabbatical" (what a slap THAT comment was!!), they are willing to pin the hopes of the Bears nation yet again on Grossman. I think the risk is much too high, given that he has had four season-ending injuries in only five seasons.
Politics will dictate that Grossman will win the starting job next season, since Angelo is desperate to prove that his draft pick is not a washout (same for Benson, but the guy is trashed with all that metal in his leg).
So, we'll have another season like the last one...defense sputters under Babich, losses to free agency will hurt, key players are a year older etc. I don't think we can draft/trade our way into the shape we were in back in 2006, do you?
I'd buy you a beer if I could, you are a Bears fan RIOG! I also used to fight like crazy for Jim Miller, so I know how you feel about Grossman. Go Bears!
Although I think I have a little more faith in Rex, I agree with your post.

I think right now, Rex is a mediocre QB. I do. But I think he did well last season, and he got a bad rap this season when the entire team performed poorly. I just don't think it's fair that we toss him aside so quickly.

Anyone on here, tell me if you ever thought Eli Manning would be playing in an NFC Championship game. Anyone?

I sure as hell didn't. Look at how long it finally took Eli to get into a rhythm? 4 years of starting? Rex has barely had 2 years worth of starting experience and he's already got a good playoff record and been to a Superbowl.

All the great QB's failed in their beginnings. Manning, Favre, Brees - and look at them now. Rex's growth was stunted by his injuries, but I just don't think we should count him out yet.

How well do you expect a QB to do with the line, running game and WR performance we had this season? It's not realistic to expect great things from one member of a team when the rest aren't pulling their weight either.

And what's so bad about calling his benching a sabbatical? Sabbatical simply means a period of rest. That's actually better then calling it a benching? It sounds like they planned to bring him back all along and were just giving him a break as opposed to benching him for good.

But for the most part, I agree with you.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Joe Thomas Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News NFL OTAs: Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Bl... (May '14) May '14 Magnum Man II 5
News Chip Kelly's offense likely not a good fit for ... (Jan '13) Jan '13 se michigan brow... 2
News Odd Facts You Didn't Know About The Cowboys And... (Nov '12) Nov '12 Laughing Bear Fan 1
News Joe Haden Takes on Aaron Rodgers in Madden 2013... (Mar '12) Mar '12 PersonDude 1
News Tucker has surgery on hip (May '08) Dec '11 Kris 6
News In defeat, Peyton Hillis provides Cleveland Bro... (Dec '11) Dec '11 Tony 1
News Mike Berardino: Is Brian Daboll the right man t... (Dec '11) Dec '11 Philine 1
More from around the web