Clausen would look great in purple

Clausen would look great in purple

There are 150 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Apr 22, 2010, titled Clausen would look great in purple. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Rick Spielman gave the details of the trade that took the Vikings out of the first round and then I asked him, point blank: "Did you make this trade to take Clausen?" Spielman was on the clock.

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Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#1 Apr 22, 2010
I don't buy this logic.

All they really got out of the trade with Detroit was a higher 4th round pick position. Between being a playoff team and having 9 picks remaining, that 7th rounder will be hard pressed to make the roster.

So if they truly believed Clausen was the right guy to be their QB of the future, would they really risk some other team trading up to grab him first just so they could get a better spot for their 4th round pick?

I'm not buying that.
Dean Abatte

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Apr 22, 2010
Vikes will make a move and pick up Haynesworth. This may involve trading a second round pick. I see it happening as well as taking Clausen.

“We've been Norv'ed”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#3 Apr 22, 2010
Midway through the draft on the NFL network last nite Jason La Canfora(sp) reported that the Vikes were not gonna take a QB with their first pick, don't know how true that is but I found it interesting and it would piggyback your thoughts, we'll see.
BrettK

Champlin, MN

#4 Apr 22, 2010
If they wanted Clausen, they would have taken him. I'm sure the other three options are not someone that people will trade up to get. The only steal on the board is Clausen, and there will be a bidding war for the Rams pick to take him. The Vikes already passed on their chance for him.
Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#5 Apr 22, 2010
My only hang up on Clausen is the scouting reports that pretty much came right out and called him 'cocky, immature and stupid'...

If anything, he's probably not quite as cocky now after seeing Tim Tebow and 31 other players go ahead of him, and maturity will probably improve over time. That leaves the 'stupid' part... I guess if the Vikings thing they can 'fix stupid', then I'd be OK with that pick.

Man, tonight sucked.
Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#6 Apr 22, 2010
Dean Abatte wrote:
Vikes will make a move and pick up Haynesworth. This may involve trading a second round pick. I see it happening as well as taking Clausen.
OK, this is the part I don't get. Why would you want Haynesworth?

Are you gonna cut Pat Williams in training camp? Perhaps you think Kevin Williams should sit on the bench?

They had the BEST defensive line in the NFL last year, and went out of their way to re-sign Jimmy Kennedy and Fred Evans, and still have 2 year player Letroy Guion on the bench. That's 2 very good players and three backups to fill just 2 spots. So where does Haynesworth fit in? In addition to having to bench or cut either of the Williamses to make room for him, are you also willing to give up picks, pay his huge contract, and take on his well documented attitude problem?

I'm not. If you want a new DT that bad, I'd say you're better off drafting a rookie, and probably better yet doing so in next year's draft.
Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#7 Apr 23, 2010
Here's a trade that would actually make sense for MN:

Dallas wants to move Marion Barber, and the NFL brains are predicting they'll take a 5th round pick for him.

A fifth for Barber? Low risk, low price. Bring him back to MN for two years. There's your veteran 3rd down back. Easy.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#8 Apr 23, 2010
Vikes have no interest in clausen.
No Haynesworth or Barber

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#9 Apr 23, 2010
It actually makes sense logically to have made that trade even if they really wanted Clausen. The only teams who picked between MN's 1st and Detroits 2nd are New ORleans, Indianapolis, and the Rams. There is viturally zero chance any of those teams would consider Clausen.

Furthermore, the swap of 4ths is significant. Detroit's will be at the begining of the 4th (like a late third) and ours is at the very end of the 4th (like an early 5th). We got that for dropping down 4 spots. Not bad.
Sam

Waco, TX

#10 Apr 23, 2010
Yest take the guy who repeatedly lost games against crappy teams, i.e., Syracuse... Yet don't show interest in the guy who is a proven winner, played behind a poor offensive line (always seems to be forgotten), and just led his team to the National Championship. The Vikings offense is built for Colt McCoy. His ability to move would be ideal to develop the play action game. His precision is exactly what you need in the type of offense the Vikings run. And his leadership and effort cannot be questioned.

Clausen comes with maybes, physical tools aren't enough (every draft bust in the history of the NFL had tools). The real winners, that accomplish things, had the tools and the desire/fire.

Your analysis on this issue, is pathetic. Talent is everything?? Who are you, Al Davis? They are all talented, what makes a different is what do you want to do with your talent?

Even in the RECORDED session with Gruden, Clausen came off as lazy, cocky, and content. Heck, he even called himself lazy when analyzing a certain play. On the other hand, McCoy was openly angry at himself when making mistakes, wanting to become better.

Drafting Clausen is a mistake, Sage Rosenfels would accomplish more (at least he cares).
Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#11 Apr 23, 2010
No Haynesworth or Barber wrote:
It actually makes sense logically to have made that trade even if they really wanted Clausen. The only teams who picked between MN's 1st and Detroits 2nd are New ORleans, Indianapolis, and the Rams. There is viturally zero chance any of those teams would consider Clausen.
Furthermore, the swap of 4ths is significant. Detroit's will be at the begining of the 4th (like a late third) and ours is at the very end of the 4th (like an early 5th). We got that for dropping down 4 spots. Not bad.
But you're missing the point on Clausen. Forget the Saints/Colts/Rams not needing him. Think about all the teams picking after Minnesota that DO want Clausen, who will now be making offers to the Rams to swap picks to make sure the Vikings don't snag Clausen first.

“We've been Norv'ed”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#12 Apr 23, 2010
A fifth for that kind of back? HELL'S YEAH! Especially seeing how the Vikes need a quality back badly in case of injury. However I was under the impression Dallas was quite fond of their 3 headed monster. Williams may be ass-out now however with the drafting of Dez.

“We've been Norv'ed”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#13 Apr 23, 2010
As for McCoy yes, he is a perfect fit in the WCO. HIS STRENGTHS all fall into the WCO scheme. Boot legs, sprint-outs, 3-5 step drops, great mobility, throwing the slant pass. His short to intermediate throws are not questioned it is his long ball that have the critics chirping and that is not a huge pre-requisite in the WCO. If the Vikes do grab a QB this draft I hope it is him, not to mention his great leadership and good image off the field. His accuracy is ALSO IMPECCABLE in the short to intermediate range, once again perfect for the Vikes scheme, I agree with the above poster SAM.
Reality Checker

Las Vegas, NV

#14 Apr 23, 2010
erie-vike fan wrote:
As for McCoy yes, he is a perfect fit in the WCO. HIS STRENGTHS all fall into the WCO scheme. Boot legs, sprint-outs, 3-5 step drops, great mobility, throwing the slant pass. His short to intermediate throws are not questioned it is his long ball that have the critics chirping and that is not a huge pre-requisite in the WCO. If the Vikes do grab a QB this draft I hope it is him, not to mention his great leadership and good image off the field. His accuracy is ALSO IMPECCABLE in the short to intermediate range, once again perfect for the Vikes scheme, I agree with the above poster SAM.
I agree on McCoy, like the way his attitude comes off much better than Clausen, but did you catch what Gruden knocked him for? He's so short, the guy will have to move around the pocket just to set his feet between his blockers because he won't be able to see over them.

That could almost be fun to watch, I'm just not sure it would be fun if he's on our team...

“We've been Norv'ed”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#15 Apr 23, 2010
I did catch most of that show, very entertaining, McCoy must have said to Gruden a half dozen times,"C'mon now!" Yeah his height is a concern but they said the same about Brees, we will have to wait and see. The more I think about the possibility of Barber and AP in the same backfield the more I love it, that would be an absolute SICK offense, would Dallas give him up for that cheap though? I do not think the PT would bother him too much as he would be coming from a 3 back team and is used to sharing time, he is such a strong runner and a very good reciever.
Continues to Bleed Purple

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Apr 23, 2010
Reality Checker wrote:
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OK, this is the part I don't get. Why would you want Haynesworth?
Are you gonna cut Pat Williams in training camp? Perhaps you think Kevin Williams should sit on the bench?
They had the BEST defensive line in the NFL last year, and went out of their way to re-sign Jimmy Kennedy and Fred Evans, and still have 2 year player Letroy Guion on the bench. That's 2 very good players and three backups to fill just 2 spots. So where does Haynesworth fit in? In addition to having to bench or cut either of the Williamses to make room for him, are you also willing to give up picks, pay his huge contract, and take on his well documented attitude problem?
I'm not. If you want a new DT that bad, I'd say you're better off drafting a rookie, and probably better yet doing so in next year's draft.
A couple problems with your views.
Fat pat is close to retirement.
Haynesworth is entering his prime and can be had for a second rounder.(steal)
This draft is 4 rounds deep with defensive tackles so why wait until next year?
Haynesworth has Jared Allen type talent.

“We've been Norv'ed”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#17 Apr 23, 2010
With Clausen still available I bet Cleveland is trying their mightiest to move up into the Rams pick in order to get him, they probably never imagined he would still be available and are drooling at the prospect of possibly landing him.
Floyd

United States

#18 Apr 23, 2010
Well, if you're on board with Claussen that means it ain't happening
Steve Tellers

Lakewood, OH

#20 Apr 23, 2010
Reality Checker wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, this is the part I don't get. Why would you want Haynesworth?
Are you gonna cut Pat Williams in training camp? Perhaps you think Kevin Williams should sit on the bench?
They had the BEST defensive line in the NFL last year, and went out of their way to re-sign Jimmy Kennedy and Fred Evans, and still have 2 year player Letroy Guion on the bench. That's 2 very good players and three backups to fill just 2 spots. So where does Haynesworth fit in? In addition to having to bench or cut either of the Williamses to make room for him, are you also willing to give up picks, pay his huge contract, and take on his well documented attitude problem?
I'm not. If you want a new DT that bad, I'd say you're better off drafting a rookie, and probably better yet doing so in next year's draft.
The Redskins are not trading Haynesworth, wheredid you get that idea??????????
AdamSoccer

Buffalo, MN

#21 Apr 23, 2010
Getting to pick second Friday is exciting and I sure hope it is Clausen. Favre can help this young man like he helped Rice, Harvin and others last year. Cocky is good for QB. Maybe us in Duluth do not know much? Or do we? It will be fun next 2 days. Enjoy it!!! My nephew Joe from Duluth and now in Bosnia wants Clausen also. Smile!

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