Bears lose control, lead, game vs. Panthers

Greg Olsen remained on the ground in disbelief, trying to comprehend how the second of two fumbles squirted through his usually sure hands. Full Story
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Josh

United States

#61 Sep 15, 2008
B-fan wrote:
Let Orton develop some more. We know he can't throw the long ball yet. He needs to be broken in a bit for that.
Ohlsen is still good and deserves to be on the field. He just had a bad game.
Forte is awesome. Just hope he doesen't get a big head.
Hester needs to be involved more. much more. He got the big contract now he needs to play.
O-line looks better this year. Might be due to not having Benson back there. They might actually like Forte.
Turner shouldn't be allowed in the stands of a football game.
Wake up people!!!! Orton has had plenty of time to show he can improve his down field. He has played in 21 games.

How many games did it take for us to see that Rex had the ability to throw not only down the field but all the throws?

For me it was his FIRST game against the Redskins in his ROOKIE year. He hit Booker in stride down the sidelines with a pass that i haven't seen come out of a Bears QB hands since i have been alive. That ended up being a 50 yard+ TD pass. FIRST game people. Then in 2006 he had the second most games over 100 rating that season and was crucified by dumb meatball fans that don't know what QB's with arms look like.

I had a lot of respect for Orton when he manned up and stepped into the most difficult of situations as a rookie. This is his 4th season now and he has 21 games under his belt and he still puts up the same stats by the games end. I have seen enough 130 yard 0 TD games. Especially when he is lucky he doesn't already have 3 INTS.

Hopefully Lovie will pull Orton out at halftime this week if he doesn't produce.

When its all said and done i just want the Bears to win, not play not to lose. That sucks!!!!!
purrrrrrrrrrrr

Kannapolis, NC

#62 Sep 15, 2008
there's a lot of whining going on. give just a little credit to the panthers. they came out fired up in the second half. they got better. the bears fizzled. the panthers looked bad in the first half - they made the bears look better than they were.

“<insert witty comment here>”

Since: Jul 07

Chicago, IL

#63 Sep 15, 2008
Philo wrote:
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Start watching the game before running your mouth. The first Olsen fumble resulted in 0 points as the Panthers punted from their 44 in the ensuing drive.
I find it hilarious that a player has one bad game and he should be benched for life, but if Orton has 20 bad games he should remain the QB forever.
I stand corrected on the first fumble. However, don't put words in my mouth either while you're running yours. I would be happy if Greg Olsen had one GOOD game. I haven't seen any ROI from the draft pick yet. And I have never once said taht Orton should remain the QB. I wish we would have seen Caleb Hanie with the first team during the preseason. He looked very impressive with the third string (against third string defenses) and I'd like to see what he could do.

I've never thought that Orton was anything but a game manager and master of the handoff, and Grossman is a turnover machine because he has Brett Favre syndrome. Favre got away with throwing 40 yard bombs into triple coverage because he had Driver and Freeman who would fight for the ball. If he had played in Chicago his stats would have been similar to Grossman's.
Panthster

Gastonia, NC

#65 Sep 15, 2008
You guys are overlooking a major issue that really hurt the Bears in the second half. You would never know (sitting in your northern living rooms) how hot it was on that field. I felt like I was melting in the stands and I am FROM Carolina. It was what, like 60 in Chicago? Those black jerseys and that 100 degree heat factor made a big difference in the second half. That little head-shot to our QB didn't help you either. Loved that Forte tho! He will be a star.

“<insert witty comment here>”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#66 Sep 16, 2008
Panthster wrote:
You guys are overlooking a major issue that really hurt the Bears in the second half. You would never know (sitting in your northern living rooms) how hot it was on that field. I felt like I was melting in the stands and I am FROM Carolina. It was what, like 60 in Chicago? Those black jerseys and that 100 degree heat factor made a big difference in the second half. That little head-shot to our QB didn't help you either. Loved that Forte tho! He will be a star.
First the Astros fans, then the Panther fans. Do you people think that you're the only ones who get hot weather? Do you think that we're at the North Pole or something? We're well aware of what a 108 heat index feels like. I used to play football in full pads (and dark maroon jerseys) in August. The Bears were aware of the forecast and were supposed to be taking steps to keep everyone hydrated and cool on the sidelines. That's also why Adrian Peterson didn't dress, so they could have an extra DL to rotate in and out. The weather is just an excuse, and a poor one at that. Two Olsen fumbles and a lot of penalties lost the game, not the heat. Both teams played in the same conditions.
Bears Need Offense

Phoenix, AZ

#67 Sep 16, 2008
Maybe someone in the Bears Mgt like a coach (Lovie) perhaps could find another OC this week? The old one is weak and made well known to all there's no worries for the opposition!

This has the makings of ANOTHER LONG SEASON... At this rate, Coach Smith will be journaled as "The Coach that gave away the Bears chances..." No SB redemption this year :(

GO USA!!!
SAH

Bradenton, FL

#68 Sep 16, 2008
All you claiming Orton has 'no arm' or a weak one are wrong. I am probably one of the most vocal on why Orton should NEVER start another game at QB for the Bears, but he overthrew most of the receivers yesterday. He has an NFL quality arm, it's just not as accurate as an NFL quality QB needs to be.
The point is that he purposely overthrew to avoid any chance of being intercepted.
Josh

United States

#69 Sep 16, 2008
SAH wrote:
All you claiming Orton has 'no arm' or a weak one are wrong. I am probably one of the most vocal on why Orton should NEVER start another game at QB for the Bears, but he overthrew most of the receivers yesterday. He has an NFL quality arm, it's just not as accurate as an NFL quality QB needs to be.
The point is that he purposely overthrew to avoid any chance of being intercepted.
Lol. Your post was meant to be sarcastic right? NFL quality arm? Over threw WR's? Over thrown passes on purpose? That was sarcasm right?

I can over throw ocho cinco myself if i just bomb the ball downfield when the ball is snapped. YOu are hilarious.
Philo

Seminole, FL

#70 Sep 16, 2008
nova0311 wrote:
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I stand corrected on the first fumble. However, don't put words in my mouth either while you're running yours. I would be happy if Greg Olsen had one GOOD game. I haven't seen any ROI from the draft pick yet. And I have never once said taht Orton should remain the QB. I wish we would have seen Caleb Hanie with the first team during the preseason. He looked very impressive with the third string (against third string defenses) and I'd like to see what he could do.
I've never thought that Orton was anything but a game manager and master of the handoff, and Grossman is a turnover machine because he has Brett Favre syndrome. Favre got away with throwing 40 yard bombs into triple coverage because he had Driver and Freeman who would fight for the ball. If he had played in Chicago his stats would have been similar to Grossman's.
The second part of my comment was directed to everyone that has been posting on how the entire loss falls on the shoulders of Olsen, while defending Orton. I just can't quote 'everyone' at once.

You did, however, place the loss on Olsen. You didn't mention Orton's play once, but stated that the loss was on Olsen. That's incorrect no matter how you re-write it.

Other than that, I'm not sure what big numbers you are expecting from Olsen. It takes a Qb to throw the ball to you to be able to catch it and put up big numbers. Almost his entire career so far has been under 'game managers' who throw the short pass most of the game. Grossman only targeted him 8 times in his second 3 game stint (Olsen didn't play Grossman's first 3 games of 2007).

All the rest have been under Orton and Griese. Orton only threw to him 5 times last season, and only 4 times this season. Is every catch he makes supposed to have a 50 yard RAC?
Philo

Seminole, FL

#71 Sep 16, 2008
Josh wrote:
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Lol. Your post was meant to be sarcastic right? NFL quality arm? Over threw WR's? Over thrown passes on purpose? That was sarcasm right?
I can over throw ocho cinco myself if i just bomb the ball downfield when the ball is snapped. YOu are hilarious.
I'm not sure why you quoted part of my post and part of someone elses, since you just misrepresented me.

What is a joke is claiming Orton doesn't have an NFL quality arm. He certainly does. It's not weak, it's just not as strong as Grossman's.

But I NEVER said he purposely overthrew receivers. That part must be the guy you quoted. But you mocked my part as well.

You couldn't overthrow anyone in the NFL. That is the joke here. Exaggerate if you must, but don't expect to ever be taken seriously when you do.
Philo

Seminole, FL

#72 Sep 16, 2008
Philo wrote:
All you claiming Orton has 'no arm' or a weak one are wrong. I am probably one of the most vocal on why Orton should NEVER start another game at QB for the Bears, but he overthrew most of the receivers yesterday. He has an NFL quality arm, it's just not as accurate as an NFL quality QB needs to be. It's not as strong as Grossman's but it's decent enough.
He's just afraid to use it after 2005, and when he does use it now in the regular season, you can see he's always over compensating.
My problem is that Lovie obviously was giving Orton the starting job before the 'competition' ever started. Orton had almost twice as many INT's and fumbles this preseason and in TC than Grossman yet still 'won' the job? BS.
He got the job just so Lovie could say 'in your face' to all the reporters and fans that thought the competition was a farce and Grossman was going to be handed the job, again.
THAT was my post word for word. No one afterwards said a thing about him purposely overthrowing a pass

Way to misquote Josh.
Philo

Seminole, FL

#73 Sep 16, 2008
SAH wrote:
All you claiming Orton has 'no arm' or a weak one are wrong. I am probably one of the most vocal on why Orton should NEVER start another game at QB for the Bears, but he overthrew most of the receivers yesterday. He has an NFL quality arm, it's just not as accurate as an NFL quality QB needs to be.
The point is that he purposely overthrew to avoid any chance of being intercepted.
Please learn how to hit the 'reply' button so that when you quote someone, it shows as a quote.
Stratmaster

Fairport, NY

#74 Sep 16, 2008
While the two fumbles by Olsen were definitely huge factors, the fact is that the Bears were still ahead 17-6 after the 2nd fumble. It is kind of like blaming Bartman for the Cubs falling apart. The game was still well in hand. OK, bad analogy, but you get the point.

Orton did what he was not supposed to do. Instead of managing the game at the end (isn't the no-huddle supposed to be his strength?) he panicked. he panicked on 2nd and 1. He panicked on 3rd and 1. He is inaccurate. He was tipping plays to the defense.

i don;t know what the new fascination is in football for all the play-calling at the line of scrimmage. does everyone suddenly think they have Peyton Manning at QB? My experience is that other than the elite offenses, all it does is cause confusion... for the offense, not the defense.
1bearsfan

United States

#75 Sep 16, 2008
PantherGreat89 wrote:
GO PANTHERS!!!!! I won't talk any trash today because I feel like we'll see the Bears again in the playoffs. Hopefully the Panthers will win that one too. My fingers are crossed.
You have no reason to talk any trash.The Bears handed your Panthers the game.We lost the game,you guys didnt win it! You guys should feel very lucky! GO BEARS!!!
Josh

United States

#76 Sep 16, 2008
Philo wrote:
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I'm not sure why you quoted part of my post and part of someone elses, since you just misrepresented me.
What is a joke is claiming Orton doesn't have an NFL quality arm. He certainly does. It's not weak, it's just not as strong as Grossman's.
But I NEVER said he purposely overthrew receivers. That part must be the guy you quoted. But you mocked my part as well.
You couldn't overthrow anyone in the NFL. That is the joke here. Exaggerate if you must, but don't expect to ever be taken seriously when you do.
Philo,

I didn't repsond to your post. If you look i was only responding to SAH. Not sure what you are talking about. By the way, i could over throw an NFL WR if i throw the ball immediately after the snap, kinda like Orton. I used to be able to throw a football over 50 yards. So stop assuming you know anything about me and unless i respond to your post directly (like i am doing now) don't take offense to what i say to somebody else.
Philo

Seminole, FL

#77 Sep 19, 2008
Josh wrote:
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Philo,
I didn't repsond to your post. If you look i was only responding to SAH. Not sure what you are talking about. By the way, i could over throw an NFL WR if i throw the ball immediately after the snap, kinda like Orton. I used to be able to throw a football over 50 yards. So stop assuming you know anything about me and unless i respond to your post directly (like i am doing now) don't take offense to what i say to somebody else.
Simple, the guy YOU quoted, was quoting ME, but didn't hit the quote button. The top half of his post was actually mine. The part about Orton's arm not being weak was my post, the absurd part about him purposely overthrowing the WR's was the other guy. You attacked both parts though.

The truth is Orton's arm isn't weak, it's just not as strong in the long pass as Grossman, and it's not accurate at all in the long pass.

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