NFL player loses court case over cats

NFL player loses court case over cats

There are 33 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 6, 2007, titled NFL player loses court case over cats. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A woman who fed and watered a family of four wild cats living under her neighbor's house does not have to pay for their damage to his crawl space.

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Cat lover

AOL

#22 Mar 6, 2007
I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THE FERAL CARE GIVER.NOTICE THE WORD CARE.
WISHING PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE, SOMEONE DID NOT CARE ENOUGH.
Carolina Girl

Albemarle, NC

#24 Mar 6, 2007
Rainbow wrote:
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That's all well and good, but I want to know what I, as a homeowner and property owner, can do if I have a problem with feral cats. I cannot poison them, because that is inhumane and against the law. According to this judge, I cannot hold my neighbor responsible if they are feeding them or otherwise taking care of them. If they have been through TNR, their ears are tipped and animal control will not take them, nor will they accept them if I trap them. I can trap them and dump them somewhere else, but that is against the law as well -- and only moves the problem on to someone else.
So what is it that a homeowner can do if they have a problem with feral cats?
Feral cats are great for farmers who have land and need mousers. WE are always looking for people with property to move these cats to. You can't just dump them, there is a process in moving them, it takes time and effort that people are willing to do to help these animals. TNR is different from dumping animals b/c they are spayed/neutered & vaccinated before they are released back into the wild. Whereas dumping animals means driving out to the country and dumping scruffy and rufus without a care in the world, not caring if they get hit by a car, not caring if they have a gazillion litters of kittens or puppies and adding to the problem. Most ferals will stay where they are released, if you are moving them to a new area, there is a little process that takes time, but it isn't too hard to do.
Cpetr13

Indianapolis, IN

#25 Mar 7, 2007
Rainbow wrote:
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I have been through this rigamarole. My problem is that my neighbor is feeding them, so they are attracted to the area. She won't stop feeding them, already asked. I call Indy Feral but they took her side since the cats have been through TNR. Animal control won't deal with it because they've been TNR'd and their ears are tipped. I raise rare lillies and the cats are utterly destroying my business via digging and using these beds for bathrooms. I should add, I've lived in my home 15 years and this did not become a problem until 2 years ago, when my neighbor moved in and started putting food out every night. I never used to see cats and now I see about 10 per day (usually in my yard, of course).
I can't trap them, Indy Feral won't move them, she won't stop feeding them, this judge says the feeders aren't responsible, and I'm not cruel enough to poison them. There needs to be some sort of recourse here for homeowners who don't want cats all over their property. I guess it's time to move.
Have you thought about putting up a fence around your plants? What wold you do if these were opossums, raccoons, or stray dogs coming in at night?

And even if the woman didn't feed them, that doesn't mean they might not be around. They were attracted to the area first and THEN she started feeding them, so there must be something else that brought themto begin with.
Cpetr13

Indianapolis, IN

#26 Mar 7, 2007
Cletus wrote:
Call the nearest chinese restaurant. They are always looking for cheap meat. Kitty Kung Pow is willwee, willwee good!
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A good solution for kids who wont' stay out of your yard as well, I hear.
Rainbow

Carmel, IN

#27 Mar 7, 2007
Cpetr13 wrote:
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Have you thought about putting up a fence around your plants? What wold you do if these were opossums, raccoons, or stray dogs coming in at night?
And even if the woman didn't feed them, that doesn't mean they might not be around. They were attracted to the area first and THEN she started feeding them, so there must be something else that brought themto begin with.
Oh my gosh! My yard IS fenced with a 6 foot wood privacy fence! You should see how fast the cats can climb that. I actually took photos of three of them last year pooping in a section of garden, and when I asked her about them, she claimed "those cats aren't my responsibility". Nevermind that they are in her backyard feeding and laying in the sun!

I'm not going to say I didn't see a stray cat in the 13 years before she moved in, but the problem has become much worse. Someone posted two studies in another thread on this topic that showed that feral cat colonies tend to grow over time due to the presence of food. That has been my experience as well. I can identify 10 cats by sight that are now feeding next door. No one knocked on my door and asked me if I was OK with a feral cat colony being established next door. I had no choice in this matter, yet I am forced to clean up after them.

This situation is so frustrating. If these were dogs, rats, possums, coons, or other animals, I could have them removed or destroyed. With cats, they are protected. As I already stated, you cannot poison them (and I could never kill them -- I'd cry all night), you cannot remove them without Indy Feral's ok (and they were very rude to me), animal control will not deal with them because they've been TNR'd, and there is no legal recourse based on the outcome of this case. I believe if the law is to remove responsibility from feral cat caretakers, then the law should set some limits on what is acceptable. I am sure 2-3 cats would not be an issue, but 10 cats or more begins to create a serious problem.
Katonna

Pittsboro, IN

#30 Mar 7, 2007
does the football player not have enough money to replace what was damanged
Flight Attendant

Jacksonville, NC

#31 Mar 7, 2007
Rainbow wrote:
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Oh my gosh! My yard IS fenced with a 6 foot wood privacy fence! You should see how fast the cats can climb that. I actually took photos of three of them last year pooping in a section of garden, and when I asked her about them, she claimed "those cats aren't my responsibility". Nevermind that they are in her backyard feeding and laying in the sun!
I'm not going to say I didn't see a stray cat in the 13 years before she moved in, but the problem has become much worse. Someone posted two studies in another thread on this topic that showed that feral cat colonies tend to grow over time due to the presence of food. That has been my experience as well. I can identify 10 cats by sight that are now feeding next door. No one knocked on my door and asked me if I was OK with a feral cat colony being established next door. I had no choice in this matter, yet I am forced to clean up after them.
This situation is so frustrating. If these were dogs, rats, possums, coons, or other animals, I could have them removed or destroyed. With cats, they are protected. As I already stated, you cannot poison them (and I could never kill them -- I'd cry all night), you cannot remove them without Indy Feral's ok (and they were very rude to me), animal control will not deal with them because they've been TNR'd, and there is no legal recourse based on the outcome of this case. I believe if the law is to remove responsibility from feral cat caretakers, then the law should set some limits on what is acceptable. I am sure 2-3 cats would not be an issue, but 10 cats or more begins to create a serious problem.
Try going to the Home Depot and getting some stuff you can sprinkle around your garden.(Cat repellent) I've seen it there and it doesn't harm the cats or your garden.
Cpetr13

Indianapolis, IN

#32 Mar 9, 2007
You can "catproof" a fence--many cat owners do it. You can ask the people who put your fence in or maybe the people at Home Depot to show you how.

As for asking permission, there are at least three destructive, obnoxious kids in this neighborhood and no one asked me if these people could spawn. Some things aren't up to a vote.
Rainbow wrote:
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Oh my gosh! My yard IS fenced with a 6 foot wood privacy fence! You should see how fast the cats can climb that. I actually took photos of three of them last year pooping in a section of garden, and when I asked her about them, she claimed "those cats aren't my responsibility". Nevermind that they are in her backyard feeding and laying in the sun!
I'm not going to say I didn't see a stray cat in the 13 years before she moved in, but the problem has become much worse. Someone posted two studies in another thread on this topic that showed that feral cat colonies tend to grow over time due to the presence of food. That has been my experience as well. I can identify 10 cats by sight that are now feeding next door. No one knocked on my door and asked me if I was OK with a feral cat colony being established next door. I had no choice in this matter, yet I am forced to clean up after them.
This situation is so frustrating. If these were dogs, rats, possums, coons, or other animals, I could have them removed or destroyed. With cats, they are protected. As I already stated, you cannot poison them (and I could never kill them -- I'd cry all night), you cannot remove them without Indy Feral's ok (and they were very rude to me), animal control will not deal with them because they've been TNR'd, and there is no legal recourse based on the outcome of this case. I believe if the law is to remove responsibility from feral cat caretakers, then the law should set some limits on what is acceptable. I am sure 2-3 cats would not be an issue, but 10 cats or more begins to create a serious problem.
Justice

United States

#33 Mar 14, 2007
Cpetr13 wrote:
As for asking permission, there are at least three destructive, obnoxious kids in this neighborhood and no one asked me if these people could spawn. Some things aren't up to a vote.
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Boy, ain't that the truth!! Neighborhood kids have trashed my yard: trampling the grass seed I put down, bicylcing over the annual flowers I planted, running through the baby shrubs, etc. But if I knock on their parents' door to ask them to control their kids, all I get is attacked. How can you expect more from a feral cat caretaker than a parent??
Justice

United States

#34 Mar 14, 2007
Rainbow wrote:
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No one knocked on my door and asked me if I was OK with a feral cat colony being established next door. I had no choice in this matter, yet I am forced to clean up after them.
This situation is so frustrating. If these were dogs, rats, possums, coons, or other animals, I could have them removed or destroyed. With cats, they are protected. As I already stated, you cannot poison them (and I could never kill them -- I'd cry all night), you cannot remove them without Indy Feral's ok (and they were very rude to me), animal control will not deal with them because they've been TNR'd, and there is no legal recourse based on the outcome of this case. I believe if the law is to remove responsibility from feral cat caretakers, then the law should set some limits on what is acceptable. I am sure 2-3 cats would not be an issue, but 10 cats or more begins to create a serious problem.
Yeah, see above post. No one knocked on my door and asked permission to have a bunch of unruly kids that they had no intention of supervising. These kids are destructive and have no respect for property boundaries - and the parents don't care. It's frustrating. I can't "have them removed or destroyed... cannot poison them ... and there is no legal recourse..." As you stated, "the law should set some limits on what is acceptable" and the law (and society) should hold parents responsible for the actions of their children. Cats don't cause HALF the damage unsupervised children do!
Ouabache Valley Felines

AOL

#35 Mar 17, 2007
You might try anti-spray products sprayed directly onto your fencing, such as Feliway. If they tend to have a particular path (usually the case with cats or raccoons), tack up an old towel or two or a sheet--whatever it takes--and spray it well. When it rains, it will be washed away, and it will fade in time. If you do have an NFL income, you should be able to do this, financially. It's not cheap, but the Feliway should help them to reform their habit. All else fails, try replacing your fencing with plastic fencing, like the wood but a plastic product. Harder to climb! Or protect your flower beds with cat-fencing, a wire product with a cedar or wood frame to keep the cats OUT, not in, which is what it's usually used for. Flashing around your house will help to keep them out of there, if that's part of the problem. As shelter directors, we've found that people give up too soon and don't know where to look for the resources and information they need for a humane, helpful answer. Bottom line is, cats do communicate. If these little guys go, you'll see others or--yes--raccoons, mice, etc. come in, doing damage if their attention and direction is not turned from your property. Cell memory. It was their land first, so they will return without redirection. You're the human. Guide them away from their target area.
yojomoloho

Annapolis, MD

#37 Apr 10, 2008
wad up
call
Gordon

United States

#38 Apr 24, 2008
I love how things get lost in rambling. If the "destructive, obnoxious kids" are around that people are sanctioning State sponsored birth control about, and they tear up your stuff, there is legal recourse against their parents. Gates and fences, usually, will keep kids out of your yard.
And what difference does it make how much money Mr. Baker makes in his career?? How quickly would any of you that support that argument change your tune if you were in his position? "Oh shut up mr. whomever, you make 30 a year so you should be able to afford to fix that problem that someone else caused."

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