NFL punter takes neighbor to court ov...

NFL punter takes neighbor to court over wild cats

There are 338 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Feb 22, 2007, titled NFL punter takes neighbor to court over wild cats. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A judge could decide today a professional football player's claim that he deserves to be compensated for the "forced entry" of a family of cats that caused $2,000 in damages to the crawl space under his Carmel ...

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star

Mount Juliet, TN

#348 Mar 2, 2007
Peta wrote:
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Unless you lead a vegan lifestyle, you are contributing to the systematic exploitation and killing of animals. Remember that when you give kitty milk, tuna, and eat your hamburger.
Also, the only reason why meat is in my freezer is because the man I share my life with is a carnivore, when we go shopping we have to consider each other's needs.

I would love to no longer have to buy meat, number one I just don't really care for it....number two it would seriously cut down on the bi-weekly grocery bill.
Lost in Space

Circleville, OH

#349 Mar 2, 2007
star wrote:
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Well,
most people ( who don't like animals) for some reason tend to enjoy the reaction from hurt animals. However, most of these individuals probably have parents who are related.
Cats aren't pest anymore than birds, squirrels, bats, or other creatures of nature. Heck to be honest, people are more of a pest. I don't ever recall a cat or dog dressed in a white shirt, black pants, and knocking on my door at 7:00 a.m. asking me if "I have found Jesus". Now THAT is annoying.
Not to offend any Christians because I do respect anyone's religious beliefs, or their right to not believe in anything at all.
Oh I will agree that there are people who are much more annoying than some animals. Knock on my door at 7am on a Saturday and you might be "finding Jesus". No offense intended (I am catholic).

My point is at some point these cats are a nuisance, beyond just being annoying. I am really curious what you would do if you replace the word “cat” in this story with “rat” would you feel the same way? What if there were rats eating away at your insulation and living under your house? The difference in this case is the cats are cute and could be pets, and rats are not highly thought of.

One other point, you might want to look at the cat food you serve. You might be buying free range chicken, or beef, but I guarantee you the meet in the cat food isn’t.
Lost in Space

Circleville, OH

#350 Mar 2, 2007
And the reason you shouldn't post at 1:01am is you spell meat..."meet". Wow, that's impressive!
Peta

Canton, MI

#351 Mar 3, 2007
star wrote:
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One more thing...even if you are from PETA, you are such a corrupt organization that your opinions mean nothing to me.
Pam Anderson as a spokesperson? I mean, REALLY...how many animals died so she could have silicon put in her boobs?
That has nothing to do with this. You seem to be quite comfortable making judgements about others, comparing those who don't like animals to serial killers (the exact quote is somewhere above), then saying how compassionate you are.

Hey, animals are being killed for your cat food. Animals (free range doesn't matter when you're being killed) are being killed when you want to eat meat. You're compassionate when it comes to cats, not so much when it comes to everything else. That makes you a hypocrite.
star

Mount Juliet, TN

#353 Mar 3, 2007
Lost in Space wrote:
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Oh I will agree that there are people who are much more annoying than some animals. Knock on my door at 7am on a Saturday and you might be "finding Jesus". No offense intended (I am catholic).
My point is at some point these cats are a nuisance, beyond just being annoying. I am really curious what you would do if you replace the word “cat” in this story with “rat” would you feel the same way? What if there were rats eating away at your insulation and living under your house? The difference in this case is the cats are cute and could be pets, and rats are not highly thought of.
One other point, you might want to look at the cat food you serve. You might be buying free range chicken, or beef, but I guarantee you the meet in the cat food isn’t.
Actually, I have known people to have pet rats...and, I was very surprised to learn that they are very intelligent and trainable.(Who knew?)
However, I believe in being proactive ( should that be one word or a combination word?) and I would put up protective barriers ahead of time to keep anything from getting into my house. It's just like with a car, you get an oil change every 3,000 miles, keep the tires balanced, take it in for the fluid changes, etc to keep it good working condition.

The same is with a home.....it is suggested that a person take time at least every three months ( this is what I was told) to look around their house for any possible weak spots. It isn't hard to do....I am doing things like checking for loose bricks, cracks, foundation corruption, or anything in general that would make my utility bill go up or allow for any furry woodland creatures to find their way into my home.

This punter, having the money he does.....has no reason to not have his home fully protected against anything from being able to crawl underneath. I would hope that he has a good security system as well, I love to watch It Takes A Thief, and if a raccoon, cat, etc could find their way underneath his house…..then a human wouldn’t have any problems breaking in.

Anything can become a nuisance, but, some people consider a chipmunk climbing up a tree or birds singing nuisance. Heck with the divorce rate so high in this country it does seem as if people consider each other more of a nuisance over anything else.

To me, this is also more than about taking care of unwanted cats….we just seem to live in a society to where everything is disposable. Look at the kids growing up today, half of them don’t have parents that care about them, there are so many homeless people, if you want to see something really sad…go to a retirement home on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day and see how many cars that are NOT in the parking lot. I experienced that this past Christmas and it was one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever come in contact with.

So, I am not only for helping unwanted and uncared for animals, but also the unwanted, uncared for future generations of America and the elderly that have served this country that nobody seems to care about anymore.

There isn’t any agenda. I just believe in helping the helpless.
star

Mount Juliet, TN

#354 Mar 3, 2007
Peta wrote:
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That has nothing to do with this. You seem to be quite comfortable making judgements about others, comparing those who don't like animals to serial killers (the exact quote is somewhere above), then saying how compassionate you are.
Hey, animals are being killed for your cat food. Animals (free range doesn't matter when you're being killed) are being killed when you want to eat meat. You're compassionate when it comes to cats, not so much when it comes to everything else. That makes you a hypocrite.
You are way off......I never said anyone who didn't like animals was like a serial killer, I said people who enjoy torturing animals were well on their way on that path.

Guess what, cats and dogs aren't vegetarian, they would die if they were only given grains to eat. If you have pets, they are probably half dead or malnourished.

When you eat vegetables.....how do you know they aren't feeling pain? In fact, why don't you only eat things that fall off of trees because how do you know that trees don't feel pain when an apple or orange is picked?

You are the one that seems to be in the judgement seat. I have just simply stated facts on how TNR does keep down the population of feral cats. People are going to act however they want, I can't worry about what I can't change, only what I CAN.

Plus, I have read that if the whole world went vegetarian or vegan, that MORE habitat would have to be destroyed because not only would we need more land to support feeding the human race, but more land to support cows, sheep, etc. But, that is something I am educating myself on...kind of like global warming, at one time I didn't buy it.....but, when I saw pic's from NASA showing how the polar ice caps have melted, I became a believer.

Plus, if you had read more you would have seen that I don't really like meat, but, my boyfriend does. We live together and when we go shopping together he also buys things he likes. He loves cow. We take turns cooking....if I cook meatless, he eats it, if he cooks cow, I will sometimes eat it. We aren't wealthy enough to buy $400 of food in separate grocery carts. If we could, we probably would because he isn't crazy about Soy milk.

BTW...the next time you pick up something that say's Made In China you may not want to buy that Peta Person because of the new pet policy they have. Betcha won't do that, will you?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com
Rachel

United States

#355 Mar 3, 2007
Peta wrote:
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Yeah, are you the lady from knoxville? If not, then I wasn't talking to you, and what you choose to do has no bearing on my comments to her.
When you're on a public forum you're talking to anyone on the forum. I'll respond to whatever I choose to respond to. Sorry, if you can't handle it maybe this isn't the place for you.
Rachel

United States

#356 Mar 3, 2007
star wrote:
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One more thing...even if you are from PETA, you are such a corrupt organization that your opinions mean nothing to me.
Pam Anderson as a spokesperson? I mean, REALLY...how many animals died so she could have silicon put in her boobs?
Trust me, this person is not from PETA, the poster is being sarcastic and implying that because you have compassion for animals you MUST be a PETA member. Yeah, right. I am curious though Star, why do you have a negative opinion of them as an organization?
star

Mount Juliet, TN

#357 Mar 4, 2007
Rachel wrote:
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Trust me, this person is not from PETA, the poster is being sarcastic and implying that because you have compassion for animals you MUST be a PETA member. Yeah, right. I am curious though Star, why do you have a negative opinion of them as an organization?
Honestly,
I thought at one time that PETA was a positive organization....after Steve Irwin was killed by the sting ray, it was PETA's president ( I believe he was) or, someone high up in PETA that said Steve Irwin got what he deserved. The Croc Hunter was the best ambassador that this world had for wildlife preservation, he brought attention to the horrors of whaling, killing seals, etc. He was starting to make a lot of enemies with those people who live that lifestyle(whaling,etc) because most of the world loved him, and people listened to what he ( Steve Irwin) had to say. Even my mom, who is not an animal lover by any means was starting to understand how fragile our environment is, and is now more aware of how our everyday activities effect the world around us.

I used to be on PETA's mailing list, because I have for a long time been interested in vegetarianism and even veganism, even after the news story broke out about the PETA/Animal Cruelty charges, I took that with a grain of salt because there will always be bad apples in every group...plus, I don't think these individuals were in positions of power. However, when the Steve Irwin comment was made...that was when I took my name off of the mailing list. I know not everyone agreed with how he worked, but, the fact that he could get children to pay attention and get the conservation message to them is incredible. I knew families that sat together to watch his progams....that is a miracle within itself because in this day and age most families don't even sit at the table to eat dinner together anymore. Steve Irwin was a true diamond in the rough, and I think his Wildlife Warrior message is becoming stronger.....I am actually in the process of ordering the wristbands to where all monies will go to his cause.

I am doing research to see how it may or may not benefit the environment by incorporating a vegetarianism/vegan lifestyle. I will agree, it is very healthy, most people I know who are veggie or vegan are in good shape...but, I have read that if the whole world did go veggie or vegan, then it could mean habitat destruction for already endangered species because the extra land would be needed to support the crops. I don't know if that is true or not.....I just want to make sure that before I adopt a certain lifestyle, that it won't affect already endangered species.

Heck, I am now even trying to be aware of what I buy in regards to coffee because on the Today Show or Dateline there was a segment about how so many of our food products are here because of child labor. The thought of a child working long hours in a field so I can have my daily dose of joe doesn't make me feel very good. I just try my best to be aware of how my life and my actions effect everything around me....it all comes down to education.

Sorry for this huge rant....I know you just asked one question about PETA, not my whole theory on life.
Peta

Canton, MI

#358 Mar 4, 2007
Rachel wrote:
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When you're on a public forum you're talking to anyone on the forum. I'll respond to whatever I choose to respond to. Sorry, if you can't handle it maybe this isn't the place for you.
When someone quotes another poster (as I did to star, and am now doing to you), that means I am asking that specific person a question -- not someone else.

If the post does not quote someone else, you may assume that it is directed at anyone.
ummm

Indianapolis, IN

#359 Mar 5, 2007
Peta wrote:
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When someone quotes another poster (as I did to star, and am now doing to you), that means I am asking that specific person a question -- not someone else.
If the post does not quote someone else, you may assume that it is directed at anyone.
Sorry, but Rachel is correct. Anything you post on an open forum is fair game for anyone else to respond to, regardless of who you were addressing.
Peta

Carmel, IN

#361 Mar 5, 2007
ummm wrote:
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Sorry, but Rachel is correct. Anything you post on an open forum is fair game for anyone else to respond to, regardless of who you were addressing.
Laughing at the idea that Rachel's response to a question asked to star about a comment that star made is somehow relevant...star can obviously speak for herself and doesn't need Rachel answering questions for her. You have a great day.
star

Mount Juliet, TN

#363 Mar 5, 2007
Well everyone,
this has been an interesting forum.

I guess, as a final statement I have to say is when I turn on the news, and see the chaos in Iraq, spouses killing each other, teenagers making children two and five years old smoke pot, and other endless acts of cruelty ( look up WBIR.Com for Channon Christian) it perplexes me when an issue of cats in a garden seems to be what people raise he** over.

Nobody wants their property to be damaged, but, as home owners it is our responsibility to protect our homes against any animals that may try to make their homes in our attics, garages, basements, etc. There are numerous products that will not only keep cats out of a garden, but, dogs, mice, racoons, DEER, and other animals as well.

For anyone who's only answer is "anti-freeze" please remember that every year thousands of children are poisoned by toxins, so, you may get rid of the cat or other animal you dislike, but, you may also find yourself in jail or in court for negligence because of a child ingesting the poison.

The outdoors does belong to animals of all different species, we can't have things outside and expect them to not investigate.

Many blessings,
Star
Rachel

United States

#364 Mar 5, 2007
star wrote:
Well everyone,
this has been an interesting forum.
I guess, as a final statement I have to say is when I turn on the news, and see the chaos in Iraq, spouses killing each other, teenagers making children two and five years old smoke pot, and other endless acts of cruelty ( look up WBIR.Com for Channon Christian) it perplexes me when an issue of cats in a garden seems to be what people raise he** over.
Nobody wants their property to be damaged, but, as home owners it is our responsibility to protect our homes against any animals that may try to make their homes in our attics, garages, basements, etc. There are numerous products that will not only keep cats out of a garden, but, dogs, mice, racoons, DEER, and other animals as well.
For anyone who's only answer is "anti-freeze" please remember that every year thousands of children are poisoned by toxins, so, you may get rid of the cat or other animal you dislike, but, you may also find yourself in jail or in court for negligence because of a child ingesting the poison.
The outdoors does belong to animals of all different species, we can't have things outside and expect them to not investigate.
Many blessings,
Star
As usual, well put Star. I had not heard the Steve Irwin remark. If true it's awful. I was a huge fan of Steve's, he loved animals and I never believed he was in it for the fame or money.(In fact I one day would like to take my young son to his zoo in Australia). His death was a huge loss to animal lovers everywhere and so sad. I'm currently involved in equine issues (the horrific practice of selling these gorgeous creatures at action for overseas cunsumption rips my heart out) although I'm interested in any organization working on behalf of animals, and donate to several. I think, and certainly hope that there are alot more people in the world who share your awareness on the issues and are working towards making the world a better place for all of the most vulnerable among us :0)
Dubie

Glendale, CA

#366 Mar 6, 2007
Peta sucks, not only this person, but the organization. Go get a life.
Peta wrote:
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Laughing at the idea that Rachel's response to a question asked to star about a comment that star made is somehow relevant...star can obviously speak for herself and doesn't need Rachel answering questions for her. You have a great day.
Rachel

Indianapolis, IN

#367 Mar 6, 2007
Peta wrote:
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Laughing at the idea that Rachel's response to a question asked to star about a comment that star made is somehow relevant...star can obviously speak for herself and doesn't need Rachel answering questions for her. You have a great day.
Again for the slow-witted, this is an open forum. If the question also applied to me I will answer it. YOU just didn't like my response because you were on the losing end of the argument. Tough!

Since: Dec 06

United States

#368 Mar 7, 2007
get educated wrote:
Jason lost. The judge ruled against him. Good call
Uneducated about animals is a bad call.
PeopleEatingTast yAnimals

Birmingham, AL

#369 Mar 10, 2007
I'm Hungry what's for dinner??

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