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NFL may start suspending players for violent hits

There are 222 comments on the SI.com story from Oct 18, 2010, titled NFL may start suspending players for violent hits. In it, SI.com reports that:

The NFL could soon start suspending players for dangerous helmet-to-helmet hits, vice president of football operations Ray Anderson told The Associated Press on Monday.

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“So Long Friends”

Since: Oct 10

Screw the Rest of You

#22 Oct 19, 2010
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>Your taking the word 'hurt' way out of context compared what Harrison said in the post game presser Sunday, late afternoon.
Massaquoi was in the process of catching the ball, is Harrison suppossed to give him a butt slap? No, you need to make the play as a defender...as I said, what the replay -- his hands hit first, then his arm & shoulder, then helmets. When shoulder pads hit something, they also make a sound.
Yes, I remember Darryl Stingley...why is he the one we bring up when a cycle of big hits occur? Comparing Harrison's tackle to Tatum's tackle are quite different and too completely different situations.
Injuries, serious or not, can happen at any point during a game, you just gave the latest example with Army-Rutgers.
And that's OK with you, then, as long as you can watch football on TV and feel all tough and manly, huh?

Man, it's unbelievable, the number of idiots on here who want to defend headhunting and helmet-to-helmet hits. Especially when not one of you could take a hit yourself.

Pathetic.

“So Long Friends”

Since: Oct 10

Screw the Rest of You

#23 Oct 19, 2010
Bob Roberts wrote:
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what's to discuss? you run the ball and you will get hit. all ball carriers know that. you go over the middle and you will get hit, all receivers know that. i've never seen two KOs in one game by a linebacker but man was that fun to watch! loved seeing those guys limping off the field. Drop the hammer on those cleveland clowns! took the fight right out them.
LET'S GO BLACK AND GOLD!!!
A Steelers assho...er, "fan." Just as I thought. No wonder you're so addicted to saying stupid stuff online, where you're safe.

You're all cheap-shot artists, that's why you cheer for the black-and-blue and "Big Ben" Rapistberger. Bet you'd like some of HIS action, huh?

LOL

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#24 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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And that's OK with you, then, as long as you can watch football on TV and feel all tough and manly, huh?
Man, it's unbelievable, the number of idiots on here who want to defend headhunting and helmet-to-helmet hits. Especially when not one of you could take a hit yourself.
Pathetic.
Maybe I am full of it, but you definitely are the one eating it.
What I am saying is that you are using the ‘hurt’ in a different manner, taking it beyond the context that Harrison was using it as, during the late Sunday post-game presser. To injure and to hurt are two very different ideals.
The hit on Massaquoi was not dirty as your put it, as the Receiver was in the process of catching the ball and in fact was touching it. Look again at the replay, Harrison’s hands are the first part of his body to touch the receiver, then his arm and then shoulder. Then his helmet hits Massaquoi’s helmet. Believe it or not, shoulder pads also make loud sounds when they ram into something. If Harrison had lead with his head, the helmet would have hit first.
Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game, without a doubt, but they happen. Some very serious, and some not so much. Why is it that every time we have a series of ‘jacked-up’ hits that ESPN celebrates, we bring up Darryl Stingley? Of course I remember him, I remember…how can we not. But Tatum’s hit versus Harrison’s are completely different….very different.
Injuries can happen any time, do you remember Mike Utley? How bout Dennis Byrd? Injuries happen….sometimes without contact. Its not like Harrison had a bounty on Massaquoi or his friend Josh Cribbs. There wasn’t a body count for him.
How dare you tell me to ‘wake up and stop enabling this behavior,’ who are you? How am I enabling anything the NFL does? I am not a player, ref, owner, et cetera.

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#25 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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And that's OK with you, then, as long as you can watch football on TV and feel all tough and manly, huh?
Man, it's unbelievable, the number of idiots on here who want to defend headhunting and helmet-to-helmet hits. Especially when not one of you could take a hit yourself.
Pathetic.
Your not providing any points, where is the head hunting? Is Harrison in your eyes, the only one to ever head hunt if that is what your saying he does.
Glasnos

Fabens, TX

#26 Oct 19, 2010
Bob Roberts wrote:
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again, you either didn't play the game of football or you're dainbramaged. lol! i watched the hit about 15 times and it is beautiful. harrison jacked him up. the clack are the pads popping. harrison lowered the whammy and hit him with his forearm and shoulder pads.... something you clearly have never experienced. have you even watched the hit before you spewed you nonsense? he hit the receiver almost dead on. the cribbs hit was from the side, helmet to helmet and perfectly legal. got brains? didn't think so.
Ok dummy ... Do you know who Ray Anderson is? He's executive VP of the NFL.
But Anderson said Monday that Harrison's hit on Massaquoi was illegal and should have been penalized.

The league also has called hits last Sunday by Atlanta Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson and Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison illegal.

Pittsburg fans drink too much iron city ... and are braindead.

“So Long Friends”

Since: Oct 10

Screw the Rest of You

#27 Oct 19, 2010
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe I am full of it, but you definitely are the one eating it.
What I am saying is that you are using the ‘hurt’ in a different manner, taking it beyond the context that Harrison was using it as, during the late Sunday post-game presser. To injure and to hurt are two very different ideals.
The hit on Massaquoi was not dirty as your put it, as the Receiver was in the process of catching the ball and in fact was touching it. Look again at the replay, Harrison’s hands are the first part of his body to touch the receiver, then his arm and then shoulder. Then his helmet hits Massaquoi’s helmet. Believe it or not, shoulder pads also make loud sounds when they ram into something. If Harrison had lead with his head, the helmet would have hit first.
Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game, without a doubt, but they happen. Some very serious, and some not so much. Why is it that every time we have a series of ‘jacked-up’ hits that ESPN celebrates, we bring up Darryl Stingley? Of course I remember him, I remember…how can we not. But Tatum’s hit versus Harrison’s are completely different….very different.
Injuries can happen any time, do you remember Mike Utley? How bout Dennis Byrd? Injuries happen….sometimes without contact. Its not like Harrison had a bounty on Massaquoi or his friend Josh Cribbs. There wasn’t a body count for him.
How dare you tell me to ‘wake up and stop enabling this behavior,’ who are you? How am I enabling anything the NFL does? I am not a player, ref, owner, et cetera.
Stop, you're embarassing yourself. All you've got is 'injuries happen, it's a tough sport, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, etc. etc.' Nothing but blather.

Of course you're enabling violence. I'm not talking about toughness or hard tackling or rough play. I'm talking about deliberate attempts to injure other players by using your own helmet or going to the head of other players.
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>Your not providing any points, where is the head hunting? Is Harrison in your eyes, the only one to ever head hunt if that is what your saying he does.
Of COURSE he's not the only one, didn't you see this last Sunday's highlight reel? It's become common practice. We just happened to have several of these hits coincide, it happens all the time.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#28 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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You clearly know nothing about the sport, jerkoff, if you think slamming heads and causing concussions or paralysis are "how the game is played." That kind of headhunting's only become common in recent years as players have gotten away from tackling and into "hitting." Of course, if they miss or the guy doesn't fall down, he goes for a TD and you look like an idiot, but then most of these overpaid geniuses don't care about that.
Neither hit by harrison was clean, but I'd expect that from a "fan" like you, a loudmouth internet tough-guy. Pretty obvious you've never "hit" anything harder than your wife, and then only when she tells you to once a month....LOL
wrong on all counts jerky. did play the sport and big hits have been around for years and years. not sure what game you're talking about. lambert and company smacked the other team. are you sure you want to discuss football. perhaps you should watch the game first twinkle toes. lmao!

not an internet tough guy either sally, i'm a genuine tough guy. 10 years of martial arts will do that for you. you want a piece? i don't hide behind a screen name. you got my name and city, come and get some punk. lol! dipsh!t.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#29 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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A Steelers assho...er, "fan." Just as I thought. No wonder you're so addicted to saying stupid stuff online, where you're safe.
You're all cheap-shot artists, that's why you cheer for the black-and-blue and "Big Ben" Rapistberger. Bet you'd like some of HIS action, huh?
LOL
you still yapping little man? you can go back to surfing porn drooly, the men on this forum are talking football. lol! fool.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#30 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop, you're embarassing yourself. All you've got is 'injuries happen, it's a tough sport, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, etc. etc.' Nothing but blather.
Of course you're enabling violence. I'm not talking about toughness or hard tackling or rough play. I'm talking about deliberate attempts to injure other players by using your own helmet or going to the head of other players.
<quoted text>
Of COURSE he's not the only one, didn't you see this last Sunday's highlight reel? It's become common practice. We just happened to have several of these hits coincide, it happens all the time.
what-a-matterrrr sally? you got your panties in a wad? those big mean football players are being too rough?? LMAO! sissy.
Robbie

Edenton, NC

#31 Oct 19, 2010
All the hits and they were numerous were shown on ESPN this morning and every ex-player they had on said they were illegal hits. Instead of these loudmouth Steeler fans acting like Harrison's was any thing different only shows their ignorance for the game. If you want to see what you call smashmouth football go watch Australian football and stay away from fans who wish to see football played the way it was intended. Enjoying seeing people laying unconscience and paralyzed tells me you're one sick MFKer............
Turnabout is Fair Play

Littleton, CO

#32 Oct 19, 2010
If somebody takes delivers a shot during the game, the ref should stop the game, make the guilty party stand mid-field and let a person chosen by the other team get a 25 yard running start and spear the person. Talk about BloodSport!

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#33 Oct 19, 2010
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop, you're embarassing yourself. All you've got is 'injuries happen, it's a tough sport, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, etc. etc.' Nothing but blather.
Of course you're enabling violence. I'm not talking about toughness or hard tackling or rough play. I'm talking about deliberate attempts to injure other players by using your own helmet or going to the head of other players.
<quoted text>
Of COURSE he's not the only one, didn't you see this last Sunday's highlight reel? It's become common practice. We just happened to have several of these hits coincide, it happens all the time.
Your not providing any substance...you brought up Tatum's hit, that isn't even remotely comparable.

Again, how am I enabling this violence? I haven't suited up for a game in a long time. I am not a ref, I don't own a team. Heck, I am not even a talking head on SportsCenter showing you these highlights.

My concern is the NFL's knee-jerk reaction to things like this. I am all for keeping players safe, but when it gets to judgemental issues, that is concerning. They are talking about changing the rules here in week 7. Now the defense is under a severe microscope, but I see nothing noting when I runningback lowers head into a defensive lineman or a corner. Is that okay?

Going back to Harrison, I have seen him make harder hits than the two we saw versus the Browns. It was unfortunate the two players were kayoed, so to speak. But these weren't illegal, and I didn't find them to be any more egregious then the previous hits for or against the Steelers, in games that I have watched.

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#34 Oct 19, 2010
Robbie wrote:
All the hits and they were numerous were shown on ESPN this morning and every ex-player they had on said they were illegal hits. Instead of these loudmouth Steeler fans acting like Harrison's was any thing different only shows their ignorance for the game. If you want to see what you call smashmouth football go watch Australian football and stay away from fans who wish to see football played the way it was intended. Enjoying seeing people laying unconscience and paralyzed tells me you're one sick MFKer..........
You can take your above-the-masses speech somewhere else. I don't enjoy seeing anyone knocked-out or even worse, paralyzed. I've never rooted for any particular player to be hurt, I appreciate a good tackle, hard hit, block, et cetera, but I have never said,'boy I hope X player breaks a leg or something.'
Glasnos

Fabens, TX

#35 Oct 19, 2010
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>
Going back to Harrison, I have seen him make harder hits than the two we saw versus the Browns. It was unfortunate the two players were kayoed, so to speak. But these weren't illegal, and I didn't find them to be any more egregious then the previous hits for or against the Steelers, in games that I have watched.
Not illegal? Seems the NFL disagrees with steeler fans ... doesn't everybody?

The NFL handed down three fines on Tuesday to the players at the center of the controversy around violent hits on Sunday.

The league docked Pittsburgh Steelers LB James Harrison $75,000, New England Patriots S Brandon Meriweather $50,000 and Atlanta Falcons CB Dunta Robinson $50,000.
Robbie

Edenton, NC

#36 Oct 19, 2010
Harrison and Meriweather of the Pat's have been fined $75,000 and $50,000 respectively for illegal helmet to helmet hits after NFL reviewed films of Sundays games.............

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#37 Oct 19, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
<quoted text>
Not illegal? Seems the NFL disagrees with steeler fans ... doesn't everybody?
The NFL handed down three fines on Tuesday to the players at the center of the controversy around violent hits on Sunday.
The league docked Pittsburgh Steelers LB James Harrison $75,000, New England Patriots S Brandon Meriweather $50,000 and Atlanta Falcons CB Dunta Robinson $50,000.
Oh my, then I must bow to your knowledge based prowess and your above the dirty Steelers' team. You are so elite.

Obviously, the NFL cannot even protect itself, the announcement was suppossed to come tomorrow in a press conference, but now Glasnos, Chris Mortenson of ESPN and Peter King of Sports Illustrated are already reporting the fines.

Like I said earlier, I am all for protecting the players, but these knee-jerk reactions by the mass media and the league need to end. As it stands now, this will only apply to 'hits that make us cringe'(Steve Young, ESPN). My question is, the new rule or policy better apply across the board...to the offensive side as well.
Glasnos

Fabens, TX

#38 Oct 19, 2010
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my, then I must bow to your knowledge based prowess and your above the dirty Steelers' team. You are so elite.
Obviously, the NFL cannot even protect itself, the announcement was suppossed to come tomorrow in a press conference, but now Glasnos, Chris Mortenson of ESPN and Peter King of Sports Illustrated are already reporting the fines.
Like I said earlier, I am all for protecting the players, but these knee-jerk reactions by the mass media and the league need to end. As it stands now, this will only apply to 'hits that make us cringe'(Steve Young, ESPN). My question is, the new rule or policy better apply across the board...to the offensive side as well.
Oh ... I didn't realize the NFL had to check with you and Dan Rooney before making announcements...
The NFL has called Harrison's hit illegal ...
Steelers linebacker James Harrison has been fined $75,000 by the NFL for his helmet-leading hit that caused Browns wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi to receive a concussion. Harrison was not suspended.

HELMET-LEADING HIT!... I told you steeler fanatics that was the crack of helmet to helmet that resonated through the stadium ... but oh no, it looked entirely different viewed though the haze of Iron City.

The only reason Harrison got a reprieve from suspension, was prior policy has been fines ... The teams and players are now on notice ... next time it will be a suspension... Harrison better start looking where he is going. You can't do that with your head down.

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#39 Oct 19, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh ... I didn't realize the NFL had to check with you and Dan Rooney before making announcements...
The NFL has called Harrison's hit illegal ...
Steelers linebacker James Harrison has been fined $75,000 by the NFL for his helmet-leading hit that caused Browns wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi to receive a concussion. Harrison was not suspended.
HELMET-LEADING HIT!... I told you steeler fanatics that was the crack of helmet to helmet that resonated through the stadium ... but oh no, it looked entirely different viewed though the haze of Iron City.
The only reason Harrison got a reprieve from suspension, was prior policy has been fines ... The teams and players are now on notice ... next time it will be a suspension... Harrison better start looking where he is going. You can't do that with your head down.
You didn't tell me anything. The NFL is now contradicting itself, after having heard the explanation from VP Ray Anderson. Harrison's hit on Cribbs is legal. Okay, good. Harrison's hit on Massaquoi is illegal. They compared the two tackles.

Legal hit on Cribbs because he is the ball carrier and is by rule, not a defenseless receiver. Illegal hit on Massaquoi because he is defenseless, however the point being he 'was' the ball carrier until Harrison hit him. Anderson said he led with his helmet, but on the replay that I have watched thousands of times and they showed while he is explaining this, Harrison's hands are the first body parts to contact the receiver. Then arm/forearm/shoulder and then ultimately the helmet.

The helmets only clank because Massaquoi is falling downward...if he held the ball and was in upright as he should have been, Harrison hits him right in the waist with his shoulder pad.

The message then seems to be to all defenders, allow the 'receiver' to fully possess the ball, you can even help him, maybe give him some yards to correct himself should he appear to be off balance. Then you may...gently, while look upwards, graze him with your shoulder and wrap him up with your arms.

My point with this is, are the refs and the new policy going to be fair on both sides of the ball? What if an LB is blitzing to the QB, and a sidecar comes out of the other side and lowers his head to lay a block on the would be sacker? What if a D-lineman reaches up to bat a pass and the opposing Offensive Lineman gives him a forearm to the head or neck, wouldn't the D-lineman become quantified as 'defenseless'?

What if say Harrison is in pass coverage and a receiver is ready to make a catch, and another receiver or runningback decks him as Harrison is waiting to see if he catches the ball or on the path to make a tackle?

Now, back to your accusation of the haze of Iron City. Just because I am a fan and follower of the Steelers, does not mean I cannot be objective.

I said last year on here, I thought Harrison's tackle on Bo Scaife last year was bordering into a grey area, and could be deemed a bit over the top.

In addition, and it was noted that I said Ryan Clark's tackle/hit on Wes Welker could have been perceived as dirty, although at the point when Welker lost the ball, presumably Clark coming from behind may not have known the ball was not in his hands.
Glasnos

Fabens, TX

#40 Oct 19, 2010
Biff 33 wrote:
<quoted text>You didn't tell me anything. The NFL is now contradicting itself, after having heard the explanation from VP Ray Anderson. Harrison's hit on Cribbs is legal. Okay, good. Harrison's hit on Massaquoi is illegal. They compared the two tackles.
Legal hit on Cribbs because he is the ball carrier and is by rule, not a defenseless receiver. Illegal hit on Massaquoi because he is defenseless, however the point being he 'was' the ball carrier until Harrison hit him. Anderson said he led with his helmet, but on the replay that I have watched thousands of times and they showed while he is explaining this, Harrison's hands are the first body parts to contact the receiver. Then arm/forearm/shoulder and then ultimately the helmet.
The helmets only clank because Massaquoi is falling downward...if he held the ball and was in upright as he should have been, Harrison hits him right in the waist with his shoulder pad.
The message then seems to be to all defenders, allow the 'receiver' to fully possess the ball, you can even help him, maybe give him some yards to correct himself should he appear to be off balance. Then you may...gently, while look upwards, graze him with your shoulder and wrap him up with your arms.
My point with this is, are the refs and the new policy going to be fair on both sides of the ball? What if an LB is blitzing to the QB, and a sidecar comes out of the other side and lowers his head to lay a block on the would be sacker? What if a D-lineman reaches up to bat a pass and the opposing Offensive Lineman gives him a forearm to the head or neck, wouldn't the D-lineman become quantified as 'defenseless'?
What if say Harrison is in pass coverage and a receiver is ready to make a catch, and another receiver or runningback decks him as Harrison is waiting to see if he catches the ball or on the path to make a tackle?
Now, back to your accusation of the haze of Iron City. Just because I am a fan and follower of the Steelers, does not mean I cannot be objective.
I said last year on here, I thought Harrison's tackle on Bo Scaife last year was bordering into a grey area, and could be deemed a bit over the top.
In addition, and it was noted that I said Ryan Clark's tackle/hit on Wes Welker could have been perceived as dirty, although at the point when Welker lost the ball, presumably Clark coming from behind may not have known the ball was not in his hands.
Objective? ROFL ... Let's start with your story about Massaquoi being a ball carrier. To be a ball carrier you first have to possess the ball ... the pass was incomplete ... no possession. The whole rule change on helmet to helmet hits was to protect receivers as they focused their attention on catching the ball ... That is precisely when Harrison hit him ... in the helmet! How in the hell the officials did not call it is unbelieveable.
As for Cribbs, Harrison got away with one. The refs generally do let more stuff go near the line of scrimmage. But Cribbs was wrapped up and going down when Harrison came in and delivered a deliberate helmet to helmet hit... an old fashioned "spearing" as it were.(those used to be illegal too)
The next time Harrison lowers his helmet and spears someone, he'll be looking at a suspension. Perhaps he'll learn to tackle the way every coach teaches every ball player ... with their head up.... but it won't suprise me it all if he doesn't ... and gets suspended before the season ends.

Since: Dec 08

Latrobe, PA

#41 Oct 19, 2010
Glasnos wrote:
<quoted text>
Objective? ROFL ... Let's start with your story about Massaquoi being a ball carrier. To be a ball carrier you first have to possess the ball ... the pass was incomplete ... no possession. The whole rule change on helmet to helmet hits was to protect receivers as they focused their attention on catching the ball ... That is precisely when Harrison hit him ... in the helmet! How in the hell the officials did not call it is unbelieveable.
As for Cribbs, Harrison got away with one. The refs generally do let more stuff go near the line of scrimmage. But Cribbs was wrapped up and going down when Harrison came in and delivered a deliberate helmet to helmet hit... an old fashioned "spearing" as it were.(those used to be illegal too)
The next time Harrison lowers his helmet and spears someone, he'll be looking at a suspension. Perhaps he'll learn to tackle the way every coach teaches every ball player ... with their head up.... but it won't suprise me it all if he doesn't ... and gets suspended before the season ends.
My story? I just watched their explanation from Anderson on NFL net.

Again...Anderson said the hit on Cribbs was legal..where are you getting that he got away with one?

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