Vikings' Frazier is real character guy

Vikings' Frazier is real character guy

There are 30 comments on the Chicago Sun-Times story from Dec 26, 2010, titled Vikings' Frazier is real character guy. In it, Chicago Sun-Times reports that:

Vikings interim coach Leslie Frazier says he felt a little unsure about taking over the team after former boss Brad Childress was fired Nov.

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“clemens for president '20”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#21 Dec 30, 2010
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>This is the same team that won the division at 10-6, plus harvin. Our failure this year was one of leadership & that will be corrected. We will compete for the division crown next year. People overstate good when things are going well & they overstate the bad in a chilly-led implosion like this year. Chicago never has back-to-back good years (it's a Lovie Smith led team!) & Rodgers is close to retirement with his brain injuries, plus, the pack is overrated & led by McCarthy. Detroit is simply fighting for mediocrity. No reason, even without free agents, we can't compete.
LEADERSHIP at a couple different levels on and off the field does seem to be the COMMON DENOMINATOR holding this team back PF.....GOOD POST.
Midnight Rambler

Stoughton, MA

#22 Dec 30, 2010
erie-vike fan wrote:
RAMBLER:
I concur with you in regards to the quality of coaches KC has, good way to put it-they complement one another. Walsh had that going for him in the '80's with all that firepower under him, the likes of Green, Holmgren, Gruden among many others.
I love hockey BTW!!!!
I would not mind at all if Ziggy hired Frazier full time.........and I did catch Winfield's comment's re:Frazier after the game. Said he is approachable, has an "open door policy" and he knows the player's having played in the league before........I thought this was just as much a dig on CHILDRESS as it was a vote of confidence for Frazier, Childress being the polar extreme of Winfield's synopsis of
Frazier.
I'm not sure about the chain of command in KC either, but I do know it was Belichek, not Pioli, who chose the players in New England. Today we have three guys in charge of personnel: one for the Pros (waiver wire and FA), one for college football, and one the UFL, Canadian League,and miscellaneous national and international prospects.(Guard Stephen Neal was a collegiate wrestler - never played football.) Under these three guys we have tens, if not hundreds, of scouts and agents on the ground. BB, himself, communicates directly with some of the big time college football coaches. I find it hard to believe Pioli would be handed over such a great responsibilty with no previous experience (Although he most certainly had input.)
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The management team in KC clicked immediately because they had worked together for so long and there was no infrastructure to create or learning curve to overcome.
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My problem with hockey is that the players have gotten bigger and faster, while the rink has remained the same size. In the 50s and 60s players flew up and down the ice and we still had things like PASSING and clean, open ice checking. Now that the players are so big and fast (and chemically enhanced) the game has started to resemble rugby on ice. Mario Lemieux commented on this problem several times. Why can't the other owners figure out that if they enlarged the rink and the net hockey would be fun to watch again. They keep trying to tweek it and encourage fighting. How stupid can these non-fans be? Of course enlarging the rink would subtract some seats, but the real seats are in people's homes and TV is where the real money is.

“clemens for president '20”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#24 Dec 31, 2010
Midnight Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure about the chain of command in KC either, but I do know it was Belichek, not Pioli, who chose the players in New England. Today we have three guys in charge of personnel: one for the Pros (waiver wire and FA), one for college football, and one the UFL, Canadian League,and miscellaneous national and international prospects.(Guard Stephen Neal was a collegiate wrestler - never played football.) Under these three guys we have tens, if not hundreds, of scouts and agents on the ground. BB, himself, communicates directly with some of the big time college football coaches. I find it hard to believe Pioli would be handed over such a great responsibilty with no previous experience (Although he most certainly had input.)
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The management team in KC clicked immediately because they had worked together for so long and there was no infrastructure to create or learning curve to overcome.
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My problem with hockey is that the players have gotten bigger and faster, while the rink has remained the same size. In the 50s and 60s players flew up and down the ice and we still had things like PASSING and clean, open ice checking. Now that the players are so big and fast (and chemically enhanced) the game has started to resemble rugby on ice. Mario Lemieux commented on this problem several times. Why can't the other owners figure out that if they enlarged the rink and the net hockey would be fun to watch again. They keep trying to tweek it and encourage fighting. How stupid can these non-fans be? Of course enlarging the rink would subtract some seats, but the real seats are in people's homes and TV is where the real money is.
One more point about those 1st round picks..........in comparison to some teams those first round choices are great. Take the Rams for instance..........from '05 to '09 not one of their first round picks are even on their roster and they remain complete unknowns in the league.

Hockey live is so much more entertaining than it is on TV.....TV doesn't capture the true speed of the game, I make it a point to get to at least 1 Sabre's game a season. A few years ago I went to all their home playoff games in all 3 rounds..........I was hoarse that whole month, what a tremendous time, HSBC is a great venue to watch a game in.

Got any thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations? Goodell had made a comment that he would like an agreement signed by post-season end at the latest.

“clemens for president '20”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#25 Dec 31, 2010
ABOVE POST SHOULD HAVE READ FROM '05 to '07 not '09 Rambler.
Midnight Rambler

Stoughton, MA

#26 Dec 31, 2010
erie-vike fan wrote:
<quoted text>One more point about those 1st round picks..........in comparison to some teams those first round choices are great. Take the Rams for instance..........from '05 to '09 not one of their first round picks are even on their roster and they remain complete unknowns in the league.
Hockey live is so much more entertaining than it is on TV.....TV doesn't capture the true speed of the game, I make it a point to get to at least 1 Sabre's game a season. A few years ago I went to all their home playoff games in all 3 rounds..........I was hoarse that whole month, what a tremendous time, HSBC is a great venue to watch a game in.
Got any thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations? Goodell had made a comment that he would like an agreement signed by post-season end at the latest.
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"in comparison to some teams those first round choices are great."
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The key word here is SOME teams. Although 4 good 1st rounders out of 7 isn't bad. Those were all Belichik's picks, but, to his credit, it was Pioli's administration and management team of 100+scouts that brought these guys to BB's attention. Pioli has a good eye for the kinds of guys that work well on a Belichik/Parcells type team. The fact that he's paired up with Belichikians Crennal and Weis has people here in New England a little nervous.
You've got to determine if Pioli has an eye for the types of guys that work well in a Frazier system? Frazier might have his own system for picking players and they may be very different from the types of players in New England.
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Frazier reminds me of a the Patriot's coach in 1985(?)- Raymond Berry. He was very different from Belichik but still successful. Like I said before, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." (or torture a dog) hahahah. Berry was a former player who was LOVED by his players and was open to their ideas. There really was no such thing as a "Berry guy." He would choose the best available player in the draft and devise a system to take advantage of their talents.
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See how things go with Frazier.
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Got any thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations? Goodell had made a comment that he would like an agreement signed by post-season end at the latest.
.
Its going to happen - too much to lose on both sides. The players percentage or "cut" of profits will decrease but their salary will increase due to the 2 extra games and shift in money away from rookies toward veterans (as it should be). They may also receive enhanced benefits to numerous to list here. In a depressed economy like ours you'll rarely find businessmen taking unnecessary risks. I think the end of the BUSINESS football season is in April or May - I could be wrong - but look for an agreement then. The only reason its taking this long is because lawyers are involved and undoubtedly are playing footsie with each other under the table. If necessary Kraft will step in and bring the negotiations to a swift end.
__________

"Hockey live is so much more entertaining than it is on TV.....TV doesn't capture the true speed of the game..."
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You got that right.
Before I lost an S'load of money, I wanted to build a discount, outdoor, expanded size, hockey rink in Quebec and invite all comers. I'd charge a buck or two for people to watch. Nothing better than live hockey.
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I remember when the players were slow and about 5'8". The rink seemed so much bigger. It was all skating and passing and open ice checking with guys flying through the air. Now its dumping the puck across the blue line, slapshots into a pile of players in front of the net and scoring via deflection in front of the net. You can hardly complete a pass and the players are draped all over each other.
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I wouldn't complain about hockey if I didn't love it.

Midnight Rambler

Stoughton, MA

#27 Dec 31, 2010
erie-vike fan wrote:
<quoted text>One more point about those 1st round picks..........in comparison to some teams those first round choices are great. Take the Rams for instance..........from '05 to '09 not one of their first round picks are even on their roster and they remain complete unknowns in the league.
Hockey live is so much more entertaining than it is on TV.....TV doesn't capture the true speed of the game, I make it a point to get to at least 1 Sabre's game a season. A few years ago I went to all their home playoff games in all 3 rounds..........I was hoarse that whole month, what a tremendous time, HSBC is a great venue to watch a game in.
Got any thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations? Goodell had made a comment that he would like an agreement signed by post-season end at the latest.
__________

"in comparison to some teams those first round choices are great."
.
The key word here is SOME teams. Although 4 good 1st rounders out of 7 isn't bad. Those were all Belichik's picks, but, to his credit, it was Pioli's administration and management team of 100+scouts that brought these guys to BB's attention. Pioli has a good eye for the kinds of guys that work well on a Belichik/Parcells type team. The fact that he's paired up with Belichikians Crennal and Weis has people here in New England a little nervous.
You've got to determine if Pioli has an eye for the types of guys that work well in a Frazier system? Frazier might have his own system for picking players and they may be very different from the types of players in New England.
.
Frazier reminds me of a the Patriot's coach in 1985(?)- Raymond Berry. He was very different from Belichik but still successful. Like I said before, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." (or torture a dog) hahahah. Berry was a former player who was LOVED by his players and was open to their ideas. There really was no such thing as a "Berry guy." He would choose the best available player in the draft and devise a system to take advantage of their talents.
.
See how things go with Frazier.
__________

Got any thoughts on the upcoming CBA negotiations? Goodell had made a comment that he would like an agreement signed by post-season end at the latest.
.
Its going to happen - too much to lose on both sides. The players percentage or "cut" of profits will decrease but their salary will increase due to the 2 extra games and shift in money away from rookies toward veterans (as it should be). They may also receive enhanced benefits to numerous to list here. In a depressed economy like ours you'll rarely find businessmen taking unnecessary risks. I think the end of the BUSINESS football season is in April or May - I could be wrong - but look for an agreement then. The only reason its taking this long is because lawyers are involved and undoubtedly are playing footsie with each other under the table. If necessary Kraft will step in and bring the negotiations to a swift end.
__________

"Hockey live is so much more entertaining than it is on TV.....TV doesn't capture the true speed of the game..."
.
You got that right.
Before I lost an S'load of money, I wanted to build a discount, outdoor, expanded size, hockey rink in Quebec and invite all comers. I'd charge a buck or two for people to watch. Nothing better than live hockey.
.
I remember when the players were slow and about 5'8". The rink seemed so much bigger. It was all skating and passing and open ice checking with guys flying through the air. Now its dumping the puck across the blue line, slapshots into a pile of players in front of the net and scoring via deflection in front of the net. You can hardly complete a pass and the players are draped all over each other.
.
I wouldn't complain about hockey if I didn't love it.

“clemens for president '20”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#28 Dec 31, 2010
RAMBLER:

I agree with you on the CBA as far as getting it signed and having a season, I have been keeping up on the issues fairly regularly and I see no reason why they can't get this done. A lot of middle ground on the main issues to barter.
What about a 17 game schedule? This is the one that these player's are gonna fight the NFL on. Considering it is the older guys at the NFLPA negotiating they don't want those extra games, they know what a 16 game season is all about and how hard it is. Younger guys may be gung ho however, lol.

If they get the 18 then roster size will increase and then most likely they would limit OTA'S AND CAMPS. One argument against the 18 is that it is a QB'S league and how many would make it through 18 in one piece, PLUS would it bring the quality of play down, especially towards the end of the season with more injuries occuring..........doubt it.

With betting getting more and more prevalent and fantasy football stock rising an 18 game schedule certainly would generate it's fair share of revenue.

“clemens for president '20”

Since: Nov 09

Erie

#29 Dec 31, 2010
LOOKS LIKE Weis is gonna go to Florida Rambler..........I can't help but think this is gonna be somewhat of a distraction for the Chiefs going into postseason!
Midnight Rambler

Stoughton, MA

#30 Jan 1, 2011
erie-vike fan wrote:
RAMBLER:
I agree with you on the CBA as far as getting it signed and having a season, I have been keeping up on the issues fairly regularly and I see no reason why they can't get this done. A lot of middle ground on the main issues to barter.
What about a 17 game schedule? This is the one that these player's are gonna fight the NFL on. Considering it is the older guys at the NFLPA negotiating they don't want those extra games, they know what a 16 game season is all about and how hard it is. Younger guys may be gung ho however, lol.
If they get the 18 then roster size will increase and then most likely they would limit OTA'S AND CAMPS. One argument against the 18 is that it is a QB'S league and how many would make it through 18 in one piece, PLUS would it bring the quality of play down, especially towards the end of the season with more injuries occuring..........doubt it.
With betting getting more and more prevalent and fantasy football stock rising an 18 game schedule certainly would generate it's fair share of revenue.
__________

"A lot of middle ground on the main issues to barter."
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Exactly right.
__________

"What about a 17 game schedule? This is the one that these player's are gonna fight the NFL on. Considering it is the older guys at the NFLPA negotiating they don't want those extra games, they know what a 16 game season is all about and how hard it is."
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The trade-off here is the more games they play the more money the players make. More money will win the day as it always does.
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"One argument against the 18 is that it is a QB'S league and how many would make it through 18 in one piece"
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The NFL is taking concrete (and effective) steps to protect the quarterback and to a lesser extent other players. These steps will help offset the extra two games. But overall I think the extra two games will bring a net increase in injuries. Again, more money for both sides will win the day.
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"PLUS would it bring the quality of play down, especially towards the end of the season with more injuries occuring."
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Statistically, more games means more meaningless games at the end of the season. But the difference is slight. You must also keep in mind that the NFLs parity structure and 12 team play-off should keep things interesting. More injuries will affect the quality of play somewhat but it won't affect competition since everyone will be playing with injuries.
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"With betting getting more and more prevalent and fantasy football stock rising an 18 game schedule certainly would generate it's fair share of revenue."
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Betting doesn't affect NFL coffers - at least I hope it doesn't !! To the extent it increases interest in the games one could argue there's an indirect effect. Is fantasy football a subsidiary of the NFL and does one have to pay to play? I don't know much about fantasy football because don't play it. If it is the property of the NFL and you have to pay to play it would definitely increase revenues. In addition, Snyder and Jerry Jones are always coming up with new, creative ways to increase profits. But they'd better be careful. I see the specter of greed looming on the horizon.
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Good post EVF.

“All for 1, 1 for all”

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#31 Jan 1, 2011
It's all about money.

These franchise owners better think about what happens if one or some of their prize possessions gets a serious or career ending injury in game 17 or 18.

Is it worth the risk?

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