Mapping out how Tebow can win a 2nd H...

Mapping out how Tebow can win a 2nd Heisman

There are 17 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Dec 10, 2008, titled Mapping out how Tebow can win a 2nd Heisman. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Before last week's SEC title game, many experts said Tim Tebow needed a monster game to stay in the Heisman Trophy race.

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DPack

Sarasota, FL

#1 Dec 10, 2008
Given the fact that the Heisman Award by definition honors the best college football player, check out Heisman.com and John Heisman's own bio to read for yourself. Given that it is widely accepted that of all the "skill" positions QB is the toughest to master. Given that information there are only two candidates that have shown their propensity as able to both run and pass at the position this year. Colt McCoy of TX and Tim Tebow of FL. Tebow's over-under is +38 (40 run/pass TD's - 2 Int's) McCoys is +35 (42 run/pass TD's- 7 int's)- Pretty close to excellance on both sides. Tebow played within a SOS ranked #3 and TX played #4 SOS. No real discerning difference there. In my estimation in the closest ballot ever given that these two are the most complete players that can both run and pass Tebow wins by the slimmest of margin in history becoming only the second in history to so accomplish the fete. RB's and receivers don't excell unless a line opens the way or you have a QB that delivers the ball. Receivers are measured by yrds after catch which is why guys like Harvin and Crabtree are so explosive. But there are a lot of very good receivers in college football that would accel as well if their QB's could do what Tebow and McCoy do and that's deliver the ball.
Former DT

Pompano Beach, FL

#2 Dec 10, 2008
You can't be serious about SOS...the SEC is not what everyone thought this year...UGA is equal to UM or FSU...Kentucky, Tenn, Hawaii, come on. Florida beat a bunch of pretty names and they are one of the two top teams, but they did not paly a tough schedule. Teabag is Superman on the field, but does not deverve the Heisman this year.
Former DTs Mom

Port Orange, FL

#3 Dec 10, 2008
It's time for bed honey.

One day when you grow up you can play for a 7-5 team coached by Randy Shannon.

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#4 Dec 10, 2008
Former DT wrote:
You can't be serious about SOS...the SEC is not what everyone thought this year...UGA is equal to UM or FSU...Kentucky, Tenn, Hawaii, come on. Florida beat a bunch of pretty names and they are one of the two top teams, but they did not paly a tough schedule. Teabag is Superman on the field, but does not deverve the Heisman this year.
No to Tebow this year. Many better players then him. Hell are you folks kidding me?
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#6 Dec 11, 2008
Just Me Wolfie wrote:
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No to Tebow this year. Many better players then him. Hell are you folks kidding me?
Who what where and what is your analysis to back it up?
SOS is determined not by your conference affiliation but by overall teams you played their won lost records and such. Final stats of this season according to CBSsportsline and those that tract shows Fl and TX at 3 & 4. Every analyst from football will agree that QB is the hardest position to master on the field. Yes QB's like Harrel and Bradford passed for more yrds and may have even thrown for more TD's but the award is for the best football player. To that end is a player that can not only throw the ball but run it at the most difficult position on the field. Clearly in analysis that is either Tebow or McCoy this year. With Tebow leading his team to the championship game, winning the SEC no matter your viewpoint on whether or not the BCS system is right or not (it is the system now, period) McCoy and TX, did not win their league, did not play for their championship and is not under this system playing for the mythical championship. If not for 1 yes 1 point in their season FL. would be undefeated and this Heisman issue would be irrelevent as Tebow would have the thing wrapped. Oh, and by the way the same for McCoy, Bradford and Harrel if their season's had ended undefeated. I stand by the analysis and we can all check back Saturday after the announcement.

Since: Sep 07

Greensboro, NC

#7 Dec 11, 2008
Former DT wrote:
You can't be serious about SOS...the SEC is not what everyone thought this year...UGA is equal to UM or FSU...Kentucky, Tenn, Hawaii, come on. Florida beat a bunch of pretty names and they are one of the two top teams, but they did not paly a tough schedule. Teabag is Superman on the field, but does not deverve the Heisman this year.
Bitter Miami fan, party of one! S U C K S to be you! You gotta give credit where credit is due. Granted, the SEC is not what it was last year. We have some freshman QB's in the league, LSU is in a re-building season, etc. But I would put UF up against ANYBODY in the ACC, or the BIG TEN, or that PAC TEN - heck, even half the BIG 12 & I would guarantee a UF victory! Schedule or no schedule!
Pete

Texarkana, AR

#8 Dec 11, 2008
Tech is snubbed by the fBCS bowl games, and now also the Heisman. Our best year yet and the three way tie dimishes it.

Harrell had more passing yards than Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy of Texas and defending Heisman winner Tim Tebow of Florida. He also led his team to the same 11-1 record those three quarterbacks engineered.
He passed for 4,747 yards and needs two more touchdown passes to break the national career record of 131 set by Hawaii's Colt Brennan last year.
[AP]

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#9 Dec 11, 2008
DPack wrote:
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Who what where and what is your analysis to back it up?
SOS is determined not by your conference affiliation but by overall teams you played their won lost records and such. Final stats of this season according to CBSsportsline and those that tract shows Fl and TX at 3 & 4. Every analyst from football will agree that QB is the hardest position to master on the field. Yes QB's like Harrel and Bradford passed for more yrds and may have even thrown for more TD's but the award is for the best football player. To that end is a player that can not only throw the ball but run it at the most difficult position on the field. Clearly in analysis that is either Tebow or McCoy this year. With Tebow leading his team to the championship game, winning the SEC no matter your viewpoint on whether or not the BCS system is right or not (it is the system now, period) McCoy and TX, did not win their league, did not play for their championship and is not under this system playing for the mythical championship. If not for 1 yes 1 point in their season FL. would be undefeated and this Heisman issue would be irrelevent as Tebow would have the thing wrapped. Oh, and by the way the same for McCoy, Bradford and Harrel if their season's had ended undefeated. I stand by the analysis and we can all check back Saturday after the announcement.
HUN his numbers this year are way down. I would rather see several others get the nomination. He will not win this year. Hell he should not have won last year. Sorry lets see some numbers next year from him. And please schedule? You played Hawaii for Gods sakes?

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#10 Dec 11, 2008
G8RDAVE wrote:
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Bitter Miami fan, party of one! S U C K S to be you! You gotta give credit where credit is due. Granted, the SEC is not what it was last year. We have some freshman QB's in the league, LSU is in a re-building season, etc. But I would put UF up against ANYBODY in the ACC, or the BIG TEN, or that PAC TEN - heck, even half the BIG 12 & I would guarantee a UF victory! Schedule or no schedule!
HON my dream game was for the Gators v USC, I would have loved to see the GATORS kick the shit out of SANCHEZ, those cry baby Hollywood boys, LOL!

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#11 Dec 11, 2008
Pete wrote:
Tech is snubbed by the fBCS bowl games, and now also the Heisman. Our best year yet and the three way tie dimishes it.
Harrell had more passing yards than Oklahoma's Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy of Texas and defending Heisman winner Tim Tebow of Florida. He also led his team to the same 11-1 record those three quarterbacks engineered.
He passed for 4,747 yards and needs two more touchdown passes to break the national career record of 131 set by Hawaii's Colt Brennan last year.
[AP]
TECH was AWESOME this season. I too was very sad. Hell I am pissed off that BOISE did not get the invite. All those BCS teams, well they can just BLOW!
WTF City is this

Longwood, FL

#12 Dec 11, 2008
Another story about Teabow and the heisman, man the Sentinel can't get enough of this guy. Dwight Howard needs to move on like Shaq did because this is a backwards hillbilly town with the horrible Sentinel constantly pandering to the lowest common denominator.
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#13 Dec 12, 2008
Just Me Wolfie wrote:
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HUN his numbers this year are way down. I would rather see several others get the nomination. He will not win this year. Hell he should not have won last year. Sorry lets see some numbers next year from him. And please schedule? You played Hawaii for Gods sakes?
Well, looks as if he won the Maxwell and looks as if the other awards handed out last night are also true to form with Harrel winning the QB award and again rightfully so as by far in evaluation of strickly throwing he had a tremendous year. I am not a Florida fan per se but a fan of college football with no specific tie to any particular team. I only offered an unbiased opinion from forty plus years in college athletics based upon the definition of the award. As I said check back Saturday! PS I am still waiting for your analysis? As for FL vs USC Rose bowl implications. One of the reasons a playoff format can not be accomplished is the Grandaddy of all bowls wants to, as much as possible, remain the way it has always been P10 vs B10 on NY's day. The worst thing for the RB this year would have pitted Penn St. vs a team they had already schellacked during the regular season. However that being said the game between PS and USC might be the game between the two best teams in college football this year given the defenses of both and their equal ability to score points on anybody. I can assure you once again it is not about conference affiliation when you compare these teams as to who can or should win. As the saying goes "it's why they play the game!" However that being said a few things are recognizable whether liked or not you continue the BCS system. You can not play for the National championship if in fact you do not win outright your conference under the rules set up (eliminates TX and TX tech). You can not compare undefeated teams in lesser ranked conferences to teams from higher ranked conferences and believe that given quality of schedule they would have survived the year under those conditions.(eliminates Boise and Utah) No one with common sense even the most ardent of fan would agree that Boise or Utah would have been perfect playing an SEC schedule, B10 or B12 schedule of teams and finish without at least 1 if not more losses. Great debate but unlikely. If you want proof look no further than the Men's basketball tourney where you might have yearly a Davidson, Xavier reach the final eight but never in the final four. Matter of fact Utah did make the final four with perhaps their best team in history but didn't win!
Pete

Texarkana, AR

#14 Dec 12, 2008
good luck to Tebow. in the big game and the future. what a guy

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#15 Dec 12, 2008
DPack wrote:
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Well, looks as if he won the Maxwell and looks as if the other awards handed out last night are also true to form with Harrel winning the QB award and again rightfully so as by far in evaluation of strickly throwing he had a tremendous year. I am not a Florida fan per se but a fan of college football with no specific tie to any particular team. I only offered an unbiased opinion from forty plus years in college athletics based upon the definition of the award. As I said check back Saturday! PS I am still waiting for your analysis? As for FL vs USC Rose bowl implications. One of the reasons a playoff format can not be accomplished is the Grandaddy of all bowls wants to, as much as possible, remain the way it has always been P10 vs B10 on NY's day. The worst thing for the RB this year would have pitted Penn St. vs a team they had already schellacked during the regular season. However that being said the game between PS and USC might be the game between the two best teams in college football this year given the defenses of both and their equal ability to score points on anybody. I can assure you once again it is not about conference affiliation when you compare these teams as to who can or should win. As the saying goes "it's why they play the game!" However that being said a few things are recognizable whether liked or not you continue the BCS system. You can not play for the National championship if in fact you do not win outright your conference under the rules set up (eliminates TX and TX tech). You can not compare undefeated teams in lesser ranked conferences to teams from higher ranked conferences and believe that given quality of schedule they would have survived the year under those conditions.(eliminates Boise and Utah) No one with common sense even the most ardent of fan would agree that Boise or Utah would have been perfect playing an SEC schedule, B10 or B12 schedule of teams and finish without at least 1 if not more losses. Great debate but unlikely. If you want proof look no further than the Men's basketball tourney where you might have yearly a Davidson, Xavier reach the final eight but never in the final four. Matter of fact Utah did make the final four with perhaps their best team in history but didn't win!
You do remember the FIESTA BOWL two years ago when BOISE beat out Okalahoma, No they should have gone to a BCS Bowl game. Now as far as the PAC 10 went down this year, hell they did not even have a team that could go to the HAWAII BOWL, WTH? I have my fav teams, but even if you win the CAMP award, not shoe in for Heisman. Last year, I would have loved to have seen Darren McFadden or Colt Brennan. Let;s face it, Brennan broke 31 NCAA records in his career. But when he came back for his senior year, he did not have such a great season. Mike Vick changed the QB position with running and passing for TD's. The NFL is not that interested in those kind of players anymore, thus Tebows numbers were way down this year. The kid I feel bad for Chase Daniels. I like him, has a great arm and did not get nominated this year. Feel bad for him.
DPack

Sarasota, FL

#16 Dec 13, 2008
Just Me Wolfie wrote:
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You do remember the FIESTA BOWL two years ago when BOISE beat out Okalahoma, No they should have gone to a BCS Bowl game. Now as far as the PAC 10 went down this year, hell they did not even have a team that could go to the HAWAII BOWL, WTH? I have my fav teams, but even if you win the CAMP award, not shoe in for Heisman. Last year, I would have loved to have seen Darren McFadden or Colt Brennan. Let;s face it, Brennan broke 31 NCAA records in his career. But when he came back for his senior year, he did not have such a great season. Mike Vick changed the QB position with running and passing for TD's. The NFL is not that interested in those kind of players anymore, thus Tebows numbers were way down this year. The kid I feel bad for Chase Daniels. I like him, has a great arm and did not get nominated this year. Feel bad for him.
Thanks for making my point with the Boise "shock" over Ok. The fact is that scheduling is made multiple years in advance. While it is true that BCS conferences are hesitant to schedule reg season games with teams such as a Boise or Utah for the simple fact of potential loss I would submit if an Ok scheduled a Boise or Utah and lost during the reg season they would be dismissed from the National title hunt anyway! As for the Boise/Utah teams if in fact the games were played and substituted for their own out of conference patsies they play and the loss came to them they in turn would have no claim. What made Boise's victory so overwhelming a few years ago was that it was unexpected however the Ok team that they played was not this years version and if memory serves was not the best team out of the B12 that year. And for every upset like Boise had there are many such as Hawaii with the QB you mentioned that were snubbed and went to a bowl game played a 2nd/3rd ranked BCS conference team and got their proverbial behinds blasted. Many more of those results than Boise results. But as stated the BCS conferences that have a stranglehold over the current selection of teams that play have to be willing to play the teams like Boise and Utah and the Boise's of the world have to realize that legitimacy will come in the standings when you substitute weak out of conference foes because of your conference affiliation inability to to maintain quality across the board competition. Ps if you were to use the CBS sportsline overall rankings which accumulate all BCS teams and the polls and average out the position ranking for teams then placed and added up each teams schedule of points you would be surprised to find out just how difficult USC's schedule was in terms of points. As a matter of fact if you calculate the overall of the top ten based this way a team like TxT would not be in the mix of any talk based upon their out of conference foes that included not one non BCS school but two on their schedule!
Pete

Texarkana, AR

#17 Dec 13, 2008
Tebow has a chance to win the Heisman tonight, but the majority is leaning Bradford.
Tebow's a great person, and a picture perfect role model. Hopefully a TE or RB in the NFL.
McCoy and Harrell's numbers matched up and Harrell is fourth on the list and not invited to NY. McCoy isn't in the limelight.
Bradford recieved national praise from the 12 good games (all were good) amd five 60 point games. Engineered by Stoops, the plan to make it through a three way tie paid off double for OU.
Think what you want. That is what it is

“Long Season Ahead”

Since: Nov 08

Kula, HI

#18 Dec 13, 2008
DPack wrote:
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Thanks for making my point with the Boise "shock" over Ok. The fact is that scheduling is made multiple years in advance. While it is true that BCS conferences are hesitant to schedule reg season games with teams such as a Boise or Utah for the simple fact of potential loss I would submit if an Ok scheduled a Boise or Utah and lost during the reg season they would be dismissed from the National title hunt anyway! As for the Boise/Utah teams if in fact the games were played and substituted for their own out of conference patsies they play and the loss came to them they in turn would have no claim. What made Boise's victory so overwhelming a few years ago was that it was unexpected however the Ok team that they played was not this years version and if memory serves was not the best team out of the B12 that year. And for every upset like Boise had there are many such as Hawaii with the QB you mentioned that were snubbed and went to a bowl game played a 2nd/3rd ranked BCS conference team and got their proverbial behinds blasted. Many more of those results than Boise results. But as stated the BCS conferences that have a stranglehold over the current selection of teams that play have to be willing to play the teams like Boise and Utah and the Boise's of the world have to realize that legitimacy will come in the standings when you substitute weak out of conference foes because of your conference affiliation inability to to maintain quality across the board competition. Ps if you were to use the CBS sportsline overall rankings which accumulate all BCS teams and the polls and average out the position ranking for teams then placed and added up each teams schedule of points you would be surprised to find out just how difficult USC's schedule was in terms of points. As a matter of fact if you calculate the overall of the top ten based this way a team like TxT would not be in the mix of any talk based upon their out of conference foes that included not one non BCS school but two on their schedule!
Well I am developing my own ranking system, since I am 93.8 percent this season, all picks done in July, and even my own husband is most impressed. I picked back in July Florida to win the BCS National Champ game. But last year, no Hawaii should have played Illinois in the ROSE BOWL, USC should have played Georgia.
But hey lets see the more women get involved in sports since women have the MOST disposable incomes, the BCS will change. I just got hired to do a spot for a new website for ESPN geared more towards women. Crazy huh?
Well my numbers have USC ranked way down due to the PAC 10 not even making 6 bowl games.
But I like Hawaii I was at that game last year in New Orleans, and I liked that team. Several factors played out and that team, they lost their mojo big time. But no one can take away Colt Brennan's 31 NCAA records he still holds. GOING to be a LONG time for that to be broken.

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