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Green Bay Packers Pursuing Colt McCoy Would Be a Mistake

There are 32 comments on the BleacherReport story from Aug 15, 2012, titled Green Bay Packers Pursuing Colt McCoy Would Be a Mistake. In it, BleacherReport reports that:

Days after the Cleveland Browns selected quarterback Brandon Weeden in the first round of the 2012 NFL draft, rumors started swirling that the team could and should deal 2011 starter Colt McCoy .

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answerman

Appleton, WI

#1 Aug 15, 2012
The more I think about this, the more I agree. The only way I see this happening is if the Packers decide to completely give up on Harrell. They've got an awful lot of time invested in him, and I can't see them moving him down the depth chart. Either he's Rodgers' backup this season, or he gets cut (which I don't see happening).

Our Viking friends will love this... but if I was watching for a pickup to become available, I'd keep my eyes on what happens in Seattle. I could see Tarvaris Jackson as a one year stopgap backup to Rodgers, assuming he gets cut by Seattle (he's not worth a draft pick or the contract he has).

Don't hate me for bringing it up...
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#2 Aug 15, 2012
If McCarthy and Thompson were completely sold on Harrell, I doubt we ever would have heard rumors about McCoy. Do you think the Packers would cut Harrell for Tavaris Jackson, but not for Colt McCoy? McCoy might have an upside. That's a lot more than can be said for Jackson.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#3 Aug 15, 2012
I dont think it was a rumor persay as in something was up, it was Cleveland likes their backup better then McCoy and GB could use an experienced qb type thing.
Wouldn't that be a hoot if GB signed Jackson and he ended up playing a game and beat Minnesota?
eric

Marshfield, WI

#4 Aug 15, 2012
My question is with Greg Jennings contract ending in 12, Mathews and Raji ending after 13 and Rodgers ending after 14.. nad another personal member from another team quoted as saying GB cant sign them all,they will lose someone,it got me thinking about..
which player would you rather see go? Jennings,Mathews or Raji?
I believe GB will sign all of them.Hawk can be traded,James Jones can be as well as Finley and that will free up more then enough cash to sign everyone.
Kudos to JT Lang.He took less to stay in GB because he loves playing here and it was mentioned big contracts coming up and he helped increase the chances of signing all of them by taking a bit less then Market value.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#5 Aug 15, 2012
eric wrote:
I dont think it was a rumor persay as in something was up, it was Cleveland likes their backup better then McCoy and GB could use an experienced qb type thing.
Wouldn't that be a hoot if GB signed Jackson and he ended up playing a game and beat Minnesota?
The Packers signing of Jackson would be a gigantic mistake, a huge waste of money(even for the league minimum), and, worst of all, a waste of one roster spot.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#6 Aug 15, 2012
Tavaris Jackson might end up on the Vikings. The Vikings don't have a backup or starter any better than him. I'll take our rookie QB over Tavaris
Jackson.
eric

Marshfield, WI

#7 Aug 15, 2012
I would too,but, just thought after viking fans bashing T.Jackson,it would be funny if he signed in GB and then beat Minn.
Ross

Thorp, WI

#9 Aug 16, 2012
eric wrote:
I dont think it was a rumor persay as in something was up, it was Cleveland likes their backup better then McCoy and GB could use an experienced qb type thing.
Wouldn't that be a hoot if GB signed Jackson and he ended up playing a game and beat Minnesota?
Eric,
Sometimes you crack me up! Wasn't it just a couple months ago after I posted that Harrell is not qualified to be a backup and Coleman would be much better due to his size, skill level, etc. The only problem is we don't have a year to develop Coleman. We need someone now because I am not comfortable with Gramma (Graham) Harrell along with many other Packer Fans. You responded Harrell will be just fine as our backup and no need for concern. It looks as if you are having a slight change of heart :) Anyhow, remember my vision of Shaky Smithson handling that booming kick on the 5 yardline on my comment a couple months ago? I laughed so hard I spilled my beer when that actually came true last week and he fumbled and lost it. That was the highlight of the game for me!
I used to be a scout at Northern Michigan, so I have a tendency to see things in certain players some of you have difficulty understanding. One thing I can tell you is Graham Harrell is not our answer for a backup QB unless we want to forfeit our season if Rodgers goes down. Right now, I would definitely feel much more comfortable with an experienced NFL QB for a backup until Coleman develops.
Later
Ross

Thorp, WI

#10 Aug 16, 2012
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric,
Sometimes you crack me up! Wasn't it just a couple months ago after I posted that Harrell is not qualified to be a backup and Coleman would be much better due to his size, skill level, etc. The only problem is we don't have a year to develop Coleman. We need someone now because I am not comfortable with Gramma (Graham) Harrell along with many other Packer Fans. You responded Harrell will be just fine as our backup and no need for concern. It looks as if you are having a slight change of heart :) Anyhow, remember my vision of Shaky Smithson handling that booming kick on the 5 yardline on my comment a couple months ago? I laughed so hard I spilled my beer when that actually came true last week and he fumbled and lost it. That was the highlight of the game for me!
I used to be a scout at Northern Michigan, so I have a tendency to see things in certain players some of you have difficulty understanding. One thing I can tell you is Graham Harrell is not our answer for a backup QB unless we want to forfeit our season if Rodgers goes down. Right now, I would definitely feel much more comfortable with an experienced NFL QB for a backup until Coleman develops.
Later
Ok Eric,
I finally found my old post on July 1 about Shaky Smithson :)

Jul 1, 2012
From what I seen in the practices I went to, they have some beasts on that team. They are locked and loaded with a lot of depth all over. I can't wait till they start practicing again! I love going down there. Their new practice field is something else, Eric. It's a state of the art outside facility right behind the Don Hutson Center. You can park right up to it now instead of walking all that ways across Oneida St. It has real nice bleacher seats with no obstacles in the way so you can take some real nice pics. You will have to go down there sometime this year. It will be fun watching them with all the battles going on for all the positions.
The odds of them cutting/trading Driver are probably the same as them trading Jennings. It just won't happen. Otherwise they never would have renegotiated his contract with him taking a huge cut in pay. You just don't do that to a loyal player like DD and then cut him, no matter what. I like to see his kind of loyalty and the teams loyalty to a guy like him. You just don't see that much nowadays. It turned into a show me the money kind of thing. If someone has to go maybe Jones and one of the yound WR's Shakey Smithson, lol will go. Just that name makes me laugh. I can picture Shakey Smithson going back to field a 65 yard punt on our 5 yardline and I think you can imagine the rest :-)
Ross

Thorp, WI

#11 Aug 16, 2012
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric,
Sometimes you crack me up! Wasn't it just a couple months ago after I posted that Harrell is not qualified to be a backup and Coleman would be much better due to his size, skill level, etc. The only problem is we don't have a year to develop Coleman. We need someone now because I am not comfortable with Gramma (Graham) Harrell along with many other Packer Fans. You responded Harrell will be just fine as our backup and no need for concern. It looks as if you are having a slight change of heart :) Anyhow, remember my vision of Shaky Smithson handling that booming kick on the 5 yardline on my comment a couple months ago? I laughed so hard I spilled my beer when that actually came true last week and he fumbled and lost it. That was the highlight of the game for me!
I used to be a scout at Northern Michigan, so I have a tendency to see things in certain players some of you have difficulty understanding. One thing I can tell you is Graham Harrell is not our answer for a backup QB unless we want to forfeit our season if Rodgers goes down. Right now, I would definitely feel much more comfortable with an experienced NFL QB for a backup until Coleman develops.
Later
OK Eric,
I finally found my old post on Shaky Smithson :)

Jul 1, 2012
From what I seen in the practices I went to, they have some beasts on that team. They are locked and loaded with a lot of depth all over. I can't wait till they start practicing again! I love going down there. Their new practice field is something else, Eric. It's a state of the art outside facility right behind the Don Hutson Center. You can park right up to it now instead of walking all that ways across Oneida St. It has real nice bleacher seats with no obstacles in the way so you can take some real nice pics. You will have to go down there sometime this year. It will be fun watching them with all the battles going on for all the positions.
The odds of them cutting/trading Driver are probably the same as them trading Jennings. It just won't happen. Otherwise they never would have renegotiated his contract with him taking a huge cut in pay. You just don't do that to a loyal player like DD and then cut him, no matter what. I like to see his kind of loyalty and the teams loyalty to a guy like him. You just don't see that much nowadays. It turned into a show me the money kind of thing. If someone has to go maybe Jones and one of the yound WR's Shakey Smithson, lol will go. Just that name makes me laugh. I can picture Shakey Smithson going back to field a 65 yard punt on our 5 yardline and I think you can imagine the rest :-)
eric

Marshfield, WI

#12 Aug 16, 2012
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric,
Sometimes you crack me up! Wasn't it just a couple months ago after I posted that Harrell is not qualified to be a backup and Coleman would be much better due to his size, skill level, etc. The only problem is we don't have a year to develop Coleman. We need someone now because I am not comfortable with Gramma (Graham) Harrell along with many other Packer Fans. You responded Harrell will be just fine as our backup and no need for concern. It looks as if you are having a slight change of heart :) Anyhow, remember my vision of Shaky Smithson handling that booming kick on the 5 yardline on my comment a couple months ago? I laughed so hard I spilled my beer when that actually came true last week and he fumbled and lost it. That was the highlight of the game for me!
I used to be a scout at Northern Michigan, so I have a tendency to see things in certain players some of you have difficulty understanding. One thing I can tell you is Graham Harrell is not our answer for a backup QB unless we want to forfeit our season if Rodgers goes down. Right now, I would definitely feel much more comfortable with an experienced NFL QB for a backup until Coleman develops.
Later
My point was a writer wrote Cleveland likes their backup more then McCoy and GB can use Colt McCoy as a backup,that wasnt my opinion.
Im not saying GB should sign Jackson either,My point was wouldnt it be a hoot or Funny if Sea. cut him,GB signed him and he played and beat Minn.( if you seen the Minn board ripping on Jackson,you would know what i mean)
eric

Marshfield, WI

#13 Aug 16, 2012
Yep
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
OK Eric,
I finally found my old post on Shaky Smithson :)
Jul 1, 2012
From what I seen in the practices I went to, they have some beasts on that team. They are locked and loaded with a lot of depth all over. I can't wait till they start practicing again! I love going down there. Their new practice field is something else, Eric. It's a state of the art outside facility right behind the Don Hutson Center. You can park right up to it now instead of walking all that ways across Oneida St. It has real nice bleacher seats with no obstacles in the way so you can take some real nice pics. You will have to go down there sometime this year. It will be fun watching them with all the battles going on for all the positions.
The odds of them cutting/trading Driver are probably the same as them trading Jennings. It just won't happen. Otherwise they never would have renegotiated his contract with him taking a huge cut in pay. You just don't do that to a loyal player like DD and then cut him, no matter what. I like to see his kind of loyalty and the teams loyalty to a guy like him. You just don't see that much nowadays. It turned into a show me the money kind of thing. If someone has to go maybe Jones and one of the yound WR's Shakey Smithson, lol will go. Just that name makes me laugh. I can picture Shakey Smithson going back to field a 65 yard punt on our 5 yardline and I think you can imagine the rest :-)
yep, you called that one! Just dont spill your beer,its a terrible waste!:)
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#14 Aug 16, 2012
There is a good reason Viking fans rip on Jackson. They watched him play! Viking fans know that Jackson can take a talented team and convert it to mediocre at best. Mediocre probably doesn't get a team in the playoffs and it certaily won't get a team all the way through the playoffs. I would rather have a young QB get some playing and development time than to have Jackson do what he does.
Ross

Thorp, WI

#15 Aug 16, 2012
eric wrote:
Yep<quoted text>yep, you called that one! Just dont spill your beer,its a terrible waste!:)
Spilling Beer is not good! I do enough of that with coffee. Yea, I got such a kick out of ole Shakey mishandling that punt on the 5. Then I thought of the post I wrote to you about ole Shakes doing just that. Well, now we know who to cut, lol.
To be real honest about the backup QB thing, I think our season is in the shitter no matter who we have for a backup if Rodgers goes down. Well, unless we had Peyton Manning for backup, lol.
Well, I think tonight they should look much better against Cleveland. In the preseason, usually things go the home teams way. I say usually. If we lose this game and look like we did against the Chargers, All I have to say is "Houston, I think we have a problem".
Have a good one or two on this crappy day. I guess we need the rain.
Later
eric

Marshfield, WI

#16 Aug 16, 2012
No doubt we need the rain.Crops are going to the shitter but maybe some may be saved.
We should see an improved team tonight.Although it wouldnt surprise me to see the backups for 3 and a half quarters,esp. with the facts there are a ton of injuries,so we should get a look at many backups and hopefully we should see starters in game 3 for long amounts of playing time as game 4 is a rest game,to heal the wounded and get ready for the opener.
Many teams are in deep shit if they lose their starter but at least with GB WR corp,it will help the qb a bit more then most teams.
My question is,how do we sign Jennings,Raji,Mathews and Rodgers.Who do we cut to open space? If Crabtree plays well and Finley plays on the same level hes been,do you let him go via Trade? If Lattimore and a few others p/u at LB,do you trade Hawk and free up cap space?.Trade James Jones since we are deep at WR ( although Gurley will have to show something here in order to cut or trade Jones)
Fun times ahead i think.
normallylikeyell ow

University Park, PA

#17 Aug 16, 2012
To me the basic premise of this article is flawed: that sending a 5th rd pick to Cleveland for McCoy (which I doubt will happen) is akin to "giving up" on Harrell and wasting all the time they've invested in him. They are two different things. We're not trading Harrell to Cleveland (he couldn't make their team when he had the chance). He's staying right here. He's still a backup. McCoy's a backup with starting experience, and runs a west coast scheme. Jackson's salary is too high for most teams. Is BJ Coleman really a threat to get plucked from the practice squad? I doubt that also.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#18 Aug 16, 2012
normallylikeyellow wrote:
To me the basic premise of this article is flawed: that sending a 5th rd pick to Cleveland for McCoy (which I doubt will happen) is akin to "giving up" on Harrell and wasting all the time they've invested in him. They are two different things. We're not trading Harrell to Cleveland (he couldn't make their team when he had the chance). He's staying right here. He's still a backup. McCoy's a backup with starting experience, and runs a west coast scheme. Jackson's salary is too high for most teams. Is BJ Coleman really a threat to get plucked from the practice squad? I doubt that also.
I agree with you completely. There is no reason the Packers couldn't keep Harrell and McCoy on the active roster.

However, the basic premise is flawed for other reasons also. Implied in the basic premise is the premise that a team shouldn't "give up" on a player if a certain investment in time has been made. The Packers can and should "give up" on Harrell if it benefits the team. Teams give up on players. Players get cut and teams make trades to upgrade all of the time. It happens. Certainly, McCarthy and Thompson are in position to make a reasonable calculation of the risks and benefits. Just because Harrell has been with Green Bay for a while doesn't mean he is the right person to fill the role as Rodger's backup. It's not as if a team reaches a point of no return where they can't cut a player.
Ross

Thorp, WI

#19 Aug 16, 2012
normallylikeyellow wrote:
To me the basic premise of this article is flawed: that sending a 5th rd pick to Cleveland for McCoy (which I doubt will happen) is akin to "giving up" on Harrell and wasting all the time they've invested in him. They are two different things. We're not trading Harrell to Cleveland (he couldn't make their team when he had the chance). He's staying right here. He's still a backup. McCoy's a backup with starting experience, and runs a west coast scheme. Jackson's salary is too high for most teams. Is BJ Coleman really a threat to get plucked from the practice squad? I doubt that also.
Hmmm, kind of a Steeler Fan that likes the Green & Gold a little more.
That's cool. I think they are just going to stay right where they are and say a lot of prayers Rodgers stays healthy. They might even have an incentive clause to the offensive lineman who gets the most holding penalties for protecting Rodgers. Just joking, but something I would consider. I can't see them making any trades for a less than mediocre QB for a backup unless they trade Harrell. The results would pretty much be the same as having Harrell for a backup. A loss is a loss. I don't think they would want to risk picking up a less than average QB and risk Coleman on the practice squad. You people probably think I'm full of shit right now, but I tell you that Coleman will be much better than Flynn and perhaps take a few of the good qualities of one of our other great QB's. I'm talking #4. Coleman worked out a lot with Favre and has great arm strength like Favre and is much bigger, stronger than Harrell. He also has Favre's agent, Bus Cook. I think it would be a huge mistake for us to risk losing Coleman with all his future potential. I'm sure a lot of other teams are aware of him. If we did go with an experienced QB that someone released, I would cut or trade Harrell.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#20 Aug 16, 2012
Every other team was aware of Coleman when they passed on him in the draft. I respect that people have some faith in the kid, but it's probably safe to place the 243rd pick (of 253 total) on the practice squad.
Ross

Thorp, WI

#21 Aug 16, 2012
Eric, In regards to your question,
"My question is,how do we sign Jennings,Raji,Mathews and Rodgers.Who do we cut to open space? If Crabtree plays well and Finley plays on the same level hes been,do you let him go via Trade? If Lattimore and a few others p/u at LB,do you trade Hawk and free up cap space?.Trade James Jones since we are deep at WR ( although Gurley will have to show something here in order to cut or trade Jones)
Fun times ahead i think"

The answer is we won't be able to sign them without significant cuts or trades.
Eric, We have so much depth at WR it's ridiculous. I would look at upgrading our team in other areas without losing impact at WR and still be able to sign Rodgers to his 150 mil. contract.
You are right in that we have so many up and coming young potential stars at WR. They could probably be a number 3 or even 2 on lot of other NFL Teams. So why not give them a chance with us, instead. Jennings is a great WR and he also will take up a great amount of our salary cap if we keep him. I think we have enough depth with an upcoming Cobb and Jordy to take good care of us along with all the other young guns we have back there. If I was to make a big trade with Jennings, I might lean for keeping Jones around. He can be pretty damn good. Finley would be a no-brainer to throw in as part of that trade as well. I tell ya what, the cool-dude with the tatoo's (Crabtree) really impresses me. I think he would be much more impressive if more of Finleys (drops) came Crabtree's way. So I would let Jennings and Finley go to some team for a very good player that would help us out and keep our slarycap in check so we can sign Rodgers, Raji, Matthews. There would have to be some others going as well.

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