As starter, Smith not debugged in '08...

As starter, Smith not debugged in '08 debut

There are 212 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Aug 17, 2008, titled As starter, Smith not debugged in '08 debut. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

In his first start of the preseason, Smith helped the Ravens score a touchdown on their first offensive series and guided the offense into Minnesota Vikings territory last night.

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Bob Sterling VA

Fairfax, VA

#1 Aug 17, 2008
I hope Harbaugh will give Flacco a chance to run the 1st team next week. God knows Smith and Boller didn't do anything to impress anyone. Give the kid a chance; he can't do any worse.
Sameold

Halethorpe, MD

#2 Aug 17, 2008
This is about what I expected, which is a lot of hesitation with a new coach, new offense, new O-line, new RB's etc. Its early yet and frankly, I can't see any QB, short of a Favre, doing really well with this offense the way it is.

Smith's elusiveness is helpful but he ain't no Vince Young ( Vince isn't doing that well either)and if the Steelers and the Colts know going into a game that Smith can't pass they will put a man on him and and then kill him when he runs. Those legs didn't help him that much with the Vikings did it?

For Cameron's offense to work, the QB will have to be able to string together pass completions and right now Smith is worse at it than Boller.
It's a good thing we have two more exhibitions. We also need better receivers.
Ravens West

Lakewood, CA

#4 Aug 17, 2008
Bob Sterling VA wrote:
I hope Harbaugh will give Flacco a chance to run the 1st team next week. God knows Smith and Boller didn't do anything to impress anyone. Give the kid a chance; he can't do any worse.
He could do a lot worse. Just like last week, he fumbled the ball the first time he got touched (this time we recoved), and just like Smith and Boller, he also threw an INT (though, his was negated by a Viking's penalty). So, what are you basing your statement on, modest gains against a prevent during the two minute drill (where he threw the INT)?

With the line struggling and protection breaking down, he is not going to elude the sack for the positive yardage like Smith did.

Instead of wasting valuable game reps, indulging in the fantastical career of Flacco, we need to realistically evaluate which of the two experienced QBs, Smith or Boller, is going to be our opening day starter - because, obviously, they need the work. It's almost game time and the Bengals, along with the rest of the league are waiting.

Let the kid continue to develop. We don't need to rush him into the fire. It didn't work last time, so let's do it differently this time.
Billick

Towson, MD

#5 Aug 17, 2008
Name Kyle the starter now to let him gel with the new offense , I told 'you all' he was the better Q-back and I told 'you all' I wasn't the problem , I won a super bowl you know,...
Jim Howard

Upperco, MD

#6 Aug 17, 2008
The Ravens were consistent last night The offense was as bad as the defense. The same for Boller & Smith.
Boller hasn't much better since he joined the team. One preseason game doesn't make the season but the scary is it could.
Brian

Columbia, MD

#7 Aug 17, 2008
Aside from the fact that neither QB looked good last night our back up CB's were terrible. Frank Walker is no better than the bums we already have. I hope McCalister, Rolle and Washington can stay healthy or we are in trouble. Barnes played poorly as well. Let's hope it was just one bad game.
gwb

Glen Burnie, MD

#8 Aug 17, 2008
Billick, you were the coach of the team that won a SB.You were the coach after that season who should have developed an offense and been in several more SB's. You also were the coach of the team that lost to Miami last year.Now, you are not a coach, now you're history.
Billick

Towson, MD

#9 Aug 17, 2008
Yea but I got a Four million dollar a year pension and a super bowl ring,,,,,,,,,
troy smith should start

Oklahoma City, OK

#10 Aug 17, 2008
Don't forget about game management. Troy Smith checked off and changed the play on Ray Rice's big run. With the Raven's weak line, Smith was the only QB who should any ability to keep a drive going, albeit with his feet. The play calling in the first half was weak. Smith didn't get a chance to get into a comfort grove in throwing. Still, he was the only QB able to lead the team to a score. This is only the beginning of Smith's second season in the NFL and Boller's been around for 6 and he's still not better than Smith. Come on already, the choice is obvious. Smith should be the starter and Baltimore should chalk this year up to learning experience for him, like the Colts did in Peyton Manning's first year starting.
Eric

Reynoldsburg, OH

#11 Aug 17, 2008
Sameold wrote:
This is about what I expected, which is a lot of hesitation with a new coach, new offense, new O-line, new RB's etc. Its early yet and frankly, I can't see any QB, short of a Favre, doing really well with this offense the way it is.
Smith's elusiveness is helpful but he ain't no Vince Young ( Vince isn't doing that well either)and if the Steelers and the Colts know going into a game that Smith can't pass they will put a man on him and and then kill him when he runs. Those legs didn't help him that much with the Vikings did it?
For Cameron's offense to work, the QB will have to be able to string together pass completions and right now Smith is worse at it than Boller.
It's a good thing we have two more exhibitions. We also need better receivers.
How is Smith "worse" than boller? Both completed over 60% of their passes, both had one interception, boller actually averaged less yards per attempt last night (3.3 to Smith's 5.0). Fact is, they tried to rig this game in Bollers favor (letting him throw the ball twice as many times as Smith, and in half the playing time.)

Smith also had more total yards of offense, AND led the Ravens to their only offensive touchdown of the game.
Jon

Hyattsville, MD

#12 Aug 17, 2008
Amazing that for over a month this paper has been pushing for Troy Smith to be the starter and after his performance last night all we get is one little paragraph about his play. I wish I could say this is shocking but its not.
BOTTOM LINE

United States

#13 Aug 17, 2008
5'10" QB's do not make it in the NFL. Doug Flutie was an exception and his success was more in the CFL than NFL.which is the perfect league for someone like Troy Smith; The CFL.Winning a Heisman means squat in the NFL.
DUH

United States

#14 Aug 17, 2008
troy smith should start wrote:
Don't forget about game management. Troy Smith checked off and changed the play on Ray Rice's big run. With the Raven's weak line, Smith was the only QB who should any ability to keep a drive going, albeit with his feet. The play calling in the first half was weak. Smith didn't get a chance to get into a comfort grove in throwing. Still, he was the only QB able to lead the team to a score. This is only the beginning of Smith's second season in the NFL and Boller's been around for 6 and he's still not better than Smith. Come on already, the choice is obvious. Smith should be the starter and Baltimore should chalk this year up to learning experience for him, like the Colts did in Peyton Manning's first year starting.
If you think Troy Smith is the franchise quarterback of the future I have some ocean front property in Oklahoma for you. You can share it with the little short dude who thinks he's a NFL QB
cal

San Jose, CA

#15 Aug 17, 2008
I don't know if Smith is the long-term answer - I am not 100% sure he is better thn Boller - but he probably is. I agree with Harbaugh who said at half-time 'we need to help Smith out' that the int and the dropped pass he had should have been caught. Smith definetely looked like the best QB last night. The other two QB's will have four fumbles a game with this offensive line.
The Dude

Glen Burnie, MD

#16 Aug 17, 2008
What was up with the defensive play calling. Somebody needs to tell Rex Ryan that this is the NFL you can't blitz on every third down. I mean it's not even a surprise anymore that we are going to blitz on third downs, teams expect it.

Because teams already know that we are going to blitz they know they have to get rid of the ball quickly. More importantly wide receivers are too good in todays NFL to consistently leave your defensive backs on an island without any help. It must really suck to be a defensive back for the Ravens because on no other team in the NFL are you expected to go man to man without any help as often as our defensive backs have to.

Possibly the worst part of it all is that John Harbaugh and Rex Ryan don't realize this. I mean if the blitz is not getting to the quarterback or forcing him to rush the pass then why do you continue to blitz so often? It doesn't make sense help your DB's out more often.
Dave

Baltimore, MD

#17 Aug 17, 2008
Newsome got a lot of credit for the Ravens success. In retrospect it looks like that credit should have gone to James Harris and Phil Savage. With their departure Newsome has been exposed. Our situation at quarterback, offensive line, and receivers is almost criminal. I agree Frerotte looks like an all pro vs Smith and Boller. We need to stop treating Newsome like Gandhi and hold him responsible.
dave

Frederick, MD

#18 Aug 17, 2008
the answer to the qb question is unconvential, as the problem is as well.

boller is more able to stretch the field with the deep ball then smith, keeping the safties honest until around the 25yd line.

smith has the ability to turn the corner if the defense crashes the middle, which is something they can afford to do when the ravens get within smelling distance of the endzone.

kyle boller should start, then when the drive gets near the redzone a new player package should come in with smith at qb. boller has shown year in and year out that he struggles converting in this area, but that he can move the ball downfield until getting close to or in the redzone. importantly he has also shown that he's a team guy, since signing his rookie year the day before camp started in order not to miss a snap at practice. he;s a team guy, not a me guy thus pulling him for a package that will earn the TD and scoring stats will not hurt his non-existant ego.

the change of qb when you get close will also boost the players on the field and fans in the stands, ass they'll know it's time to get the job at hand done. they'll be able to taste the score.

it's very different, but different things work in football until defenses adjust. you'd also be forcing defenses to study the tendencies of 2 different qb's that can use 2 different adubible packages and different formations and play sets. it would completely mess with a defenses head when they are playing a bend and dont break style of play and then when its time to buckle down and stop an offense and completely new and different offense steps out onto the field. one that may only see 20-30 snaps a game. its hard to get a read on what they are going to do with such a small sample size of film to watch of them, esp with a qb that offers the ability to run when needed.
DDanford

Halethorpe, MD

#19 Aug 17, 2008
Dave wrote:
Newsome got a lot of credit for the Ravens success. In retrospect it looks like that credit should have gone to James Harris and Phil Savage. With their departure Newsome has been exposed. Our situation at quarterback, offensive line, and receivers is almost criminal. I agree Frerotte looks like an all pro vs Smith and Boller. We need to stop treating Newsome like Gandhi and hold him responsible.
This is the second pre-season game where a very high percentage of the likely starters on both sides were absent and those that played were more than likely not exactly going full throttle since their supporting cast wasn't there. Ray Lewis played a one or two series at most. At the end of the day this was a glorified practice, a very physical dress rehearsal.

I believe the Indy Colts lost every preseason game the year they won the Super Bowl. The negatives that you mentioned were well known before this game and they aren't going away any time soon. We don't know what the coaches are looking at during these games so its a mistake for outsiders to read too much into this.

By the way one reason Frerotte looks better than Smith and Boller is because he is a 37 yr. old veteran who just happens to be a better QB than those two. Why we didn't pick him (or someone like him ) up a while ago is a mystery to me.
DDanford

Halethorpe, MD

#20 Aug 17, 2008
dave wrote:
the answer to the qb question is unconvential, as the problem is as well.
boller is more able to stretch the field with the deep ball then smith, keeping the safties honest until around the 25yd line.
smith has the ability to turn the corner if the defense crashes the middle, which is something they can afford to do when the ravens get within smelling distance of the endzone.
kyle boller should start, then when the drive gets near the redzone a new player package should come in with smith at qb. boller has shown year in and year out that he struggles converting in this area, but that he can move the ball downfield until getting close to or in the redzone. importantly he has also shown that he's a team guy, since signing his rookie year the day before camp started in order not to miss a snap at practice. he;s a team guy, not a me guy thus pulling him for a package that will earn the TD and scoring stats will not hurt his non-existant ego.
the change of qb when you get close will also boost the players on the field and fans in the stands,**** they'll know it's time to get the job at hand done. they'll be able to taste the score.
it's very different, but different things work in football until defenses adjust. you'd also be forcing defenses to study the tendencies of 2 different qb's that can use 2 different adubible packages and different formations and play sets. it would completely mess with a defenses head when they are playing a bend and dont break style of play and then when its time to buckle down and stop an offense and completely new and different offense steps out onto the field. one that may only see 20-30 snaps a game. its hard to get a read on what they are going to do with such a small sample size of film to watch of them, esp with a qb that offers the ability to run when needed.
Our QB problem in not unconventional.

Our QB's are not playing well
Our line is not playing well
Our offensive system has not yet been absorbed by the aforementioned offensive personnel.

The options are:

The players work harder and get better.
We replace the players with better ones.
We put in a different system.

I'll leave it to you to decide which you think is most likely to happen

During the 1971-72 season Tom Landry decided to alternate Craig Morton and Roger Staubach every other game because he couldn't choose between the two. It did not go well and eventually they settled on Staubach.

If we did it every game it would no longer be a surprise and it would still come down to the fact that Smith is not a credible passing threat and Boller is not a credible running threat and the line can't protect either one.

It might confuse you or me if we were the opposing DC but most DC's are probably smarter than you and me and would figure this out pretty quick.
DDanford

Halethorpe, MD

#21 Aug 17, 2008
BOTTOM LINE wrote:
5'10" QB's do not make it in the NFL. Doug Flutie was an exception and his success was more in the CFL than NFL.which is the perfect league for someone like Troy Smith; The CFL.Winning a Heisman means squat in the NFL.
Dear Mr LINE

Doug Flutie was one of my favorite QBs to watch and is a great person. He was maybe the best college and CFL QB of all time but as an NFL QB he never played in the playoffs (Rob Johnson replaced him for the Bills in their one playoff game, a mistake I think)and was more or less mediocre if you look at his stats. So if anyone is thinkng that Smith will be like Flutie, we already have mediocre QBs.

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