What's the plane truth?

What's the plane truth?

There are 574 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Dec 15, 2008, titled What's the plane truth?. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Depending on your perspective, the Ravens lost the AFC North yesterday by either the nose of a ball or an official's call.

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jono

United States

#1 Dec 15, 2008
They lost on a bad call. This was actually the second blown call in this game by the ref. What's the point of video if it's not going to improve the calls? Pretty pathetic. This ref should be fired. He single-handedly changed the playoff picture.
Oceana Jones

Portsmouth, VA

#2 Dec 15, 2008
In my opinion, all replays should only be reviewed in real time. That is, no slow motion and no special zoom shots should be allowed. Soon, they will be deciding the outcome of footbal "games" only after a jury trial.
Harbaugh Must Go

Fort George G Meade, MD

#3 Dec 15, 2008
Come on man, don't start whinning and blame the game on the refs... Yes, the refs this year have been real bad all over the NFL but don't blame them for this loss. The Ravens lost because they lost, thats it, nothing more. None of you were complaining when the Ravens got a couple calls their way last week.

I'm ticked they lost myself...

I like Cameron and all that he has done but his offense was vanilla yesterday. I like Flacco and think that he will be a star but the last few games he has been throwing alot of high passes and it looks like he may have hit the wall that most rookies hit around the 12th game on...

Its a loss, nothing else.
burt

Denton, MD

#4 Dec 15, 2008
Flacco is still in a learning curve,and is going through what most rookie QBs have to endure. Look at both Mannings, Terry Bradshaw, John Elway.
Dan eastern shore

Perry, IA

#5 Dec 15, 2008
It should'nt have came down to a ref reviewing a goal line call.What did the refs see for that bogus 1st down at the 30 early in the game?(led to 3pts.)It's been a crazy yr. for refereeing,in my opinion.The Ravens play calling led to all of our 9 pts.Whoopee!!The refs did'nt spoil this game,necessarily,Pitt drove the field.What else can you say?Good game-bad result,period.
black POTUS

Gwynn Oak, MD

#6 Dec 15, 2008
the ball never borke the lane, his feet may have bee down, but the ball was more thans a yard outside the end zone
mak

Baltimore, MD

#7 Dec 15, 2008
the replay system is not about getting the call right. it's about overturning a obvious incotrect call made on the field. the replay decision should be so obvious it should be made within 15 seconds. if it takes longer, it wasn't obvious and the play stands. if the replay decision is controversial then you know you got a problem with the system.
Fan

Baltimore, MD

#8 Dec 15, 2008
Typical ravens. They build you up for a big gift but then turn it into a lump of coal.

I like what ray lewis and suggs had to say about letting the steelers drive down the field but I didn't hear any of it from harbaugh in his press conference. I'm a little dissapointed by that.

Harbaugh better learn from his predecessor or he will repeat the same mistakes that got billick fired: accountability.
SevernDave

Fort George G Meade, MD

#9 Dec 15, 2008
Whether or not the ball really did break the plane of the goal line isn't even the main issue. Do you really think that the replay showed, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the ball crossed the plane? No way!! The evidence was not conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. But the officials these days don't even consider that rule........Replay SHOULD make the game better, but these idiots screw it up even when they see it in slow motion! That being said, the offense was bad and the "D" couldn't make a stop when the game was on the line. Tip your hats to Pissburgh!!
Rich

Cedar Rapids, IA

#10 Dec 15, 2008
The Ravens lost because their offense played to lose the entire game. Cam had a terrible game plan and played a wimpish game against the Steelers. Your not going to beat the Steellers like that. Even with that said Cam's game plan worked when the Steelers fumbled inside their own 15 yard line. Ravens failure insued. We got 3 points instead of 7, Game over. But no; the Ravens late in the game had 1st and 10 at the Steelers 29 yard line. After 2 running plays, the Steelers crushed Flacco on an a "come and crush me" 3rd down pass. 3 plays and lose 11 yards. Game over. Yesterdays game was as bad as Billick's game against the Kolts in the play-offs 2 years ago. It was pathetic, the coaching staff didn't let the players play. The game was gut wrenching from the 2nd quarter. I've been proud of our coaching staff this year. They have accomplished a lot, got the ship streight. They beat all the weaker teams, and lost to all the stronger teams. Thier day was yesterday and the coaching staff failed. It's going to be a sad day in Dallas next Saturday. But sincerely, thanks for the exciting season. It's trully been great. Good tough football. But to go out as wimps (and that's putting it kindly) was gut wrenching. Please never do that again or you'll lose this town forever. We would rather lose 30 -3 and a least try to score rather than that pathetic coaching effort against a team like the Steelers.
gbw

Glen Burnie, MD

#11 Dec 15, 2008
Ravens had nothing to lose yesterday, after the first game, they should have not played conservatively. The steelers win in the fourth quarter for the last four games. Field goals will not beat a steeler team.Great game, wrong winner. With the luck big ben and steelers have, it is easy to picture team in the playoffs going to the SB. Nextyear with a wide receiver, ravens could be in the playoffs. This year should everyone the future barring any major injuries.
gscaton1

Odenton, MD

#12 Dec 15, 2008
Don't blame it on the refs. Sure there was bad calls but the offensive scheme was horrible, run run, pass, like the old days. What happen in being aggresive like we were in the past games. We looked like Billick was coaching. We were trying to run out the clock with 12 minutes left. Stop protecting Flaco, let him go, his has the arm, stop protecting him. MeGhee has to go, horrible, can't block on run. We really missed Rice. I hope we learned from this game. Go back to the way we were playing. Conservative killed us. Also being in the prevent defensive at the end is horrible. We played so aggressive the whole game and in the last 2 minutes let them run up the field, just a very disappointing loss. We should of won.
Arnold 53

Woodbridge, VA

#13 Dec 15, 2008
I am not a Ravens or Steelers fans but have to comment. You Ravens fans need to get over yourselfs. You lost, get over it.

It should never have came down to a refs decision. The defense let you down. To let them drive down the field like they did and score is unbelievable.

It must put a knot in your stomachs that the Steelers have the #1 defense.

Face the facts you lost. The Refs did not cause you to lose this game.
Josh

Warren, MI

#14 Dec 15, 2008
From the NFL rulebook it appears that there are two ways to score a touchdown, per Rule 11, Section 2, Article 1:

It is a touchdown (3-38):
(a) when a runner advances from the field of play and the ball touches the opponentsÂ’ goal line (plane); or
(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the opponentsÂ’ goal line.

1(b) is ambiguous interms of its interpretation. It can easily be interpreted as "any inbounds player who catches or recoves on or behind the goal line" this lends to the interpretation that if the reciever, with possession, is in the endzone, it is a TD.

Granted, it is ambiguous, but I believe this is the interpretation of the rule Coleman was using.

I can't think of another game, this year, or last year, where such a scenario happened. If any of you have other examples of this rule being applied, please share.
Rich

Cedar Rapids, IA

#15 Dec 15, 2008
The officals who gave a first down to the Steerlers in the first half should be investigated by the FBI. As soon as the play happened and I saw the offical spot the ball I told my wife the offical was crooked. But I never thought instant replay would go along with this crooked offical. That makes it a consparisay. Their is no doubt. That was crooked, and done with malise by the NFL.

The goal line play was great. The officals stole from the fans and players a fantastic game ender. 4th and inches. Do the Steelers kick a field goal and tie the game and send it into overtime for the second time this year? Or do they go for it 4th and inches for the game. God, what a great play it would have been. Ben after the game was over would not say what the Steelers had decided to do. Again the officals took control and ruined a great ending.
robmeg34

Fort Howard, MD

#16 Dec 15, 2008
gscaton1 wrote:
Don't blame it on the refs. Sure there was bad calls but the offensive scheme was horrible, run run, pass, like the old days. What happen in being aggresive like we were in the past games. We looked like Billick was coaching. We were trying to run out the clock with 12 minutes left. Stop protecting Flaco, let him go, his has the arm, stop protecting him. MeGhee has to go, horrible, can't block on run. We really missed Rice. I hope we learned from this game. Go back to the way we were playing. Conservative killed us. Also being in the prevent defensive at the end is horrible. We played so aggressive the whole game and in the last 2 minutes let them run up the field, just a very disappointing loss. We should of won.
For the record, Brian Billick's record when leading heading into the 4th quarter was outstanding...lost 3 in 9 years. He wins that game yesterday...I guarantee that. Billick had beaten Pittsburgh 5 times in a row at home...I hope we are not going back to the pre-Billick days when we annually lost twice to the Steelers.
Josh

Warren, MI

#17 Dec 15, 2008
i agree with you about the 1st down ruling, i didn't see a single angle on the screen while at the game, or rewatching the game last night on DVR, where the ball came within 2 feet of the 30. I don't know how they blew that one.

2 things about the TD at the end. 1 i posted above as what I believe is the interpretation of the rule being applied that awarded the TD. 2, slowing it down to frame by frame, and "zooming in" on my 1080p HDTV it is clear that the ball does cross the plane of the goal line, by atleast 2 inches, at the exact moment the ball enters the grasp of holmes hands. He also has his toes dragging at this point which should establish possession because the ball never moves or bobbles in his hand, the whole way to the ground.

I admit, I would have loved to see what would have gone down on 4th and Inches. it would have either been a FG to force OT, or a QB sneak. I think Tomlin would have went for it, and a 250 lb qb, behind a 320 lb C is going to get 1 IMO.
Big Daddy G

Cheswick, PA

#18 Dec 15, 2008
WOW....You guys really need to start reading the NFL rules first. Feet in the endzone + control of the ball = touchdown. The ball does not need to cross the goal line if the receivers feet are inside the goal line....

Please read more...a mind is a terrible thing to waste
TRB

Belle Vernon, PA

#19 Dec 15, 2008
I have yet to find in the rulebook where it says 2 feet down and possession is a TD. That is only what the ref said on the field and then changed his tune postgame that the ball broke the plane. The league office must have called him and told him to cover his a$#!
LoneCrow

Lanham, MD

#20 Dec 15, 2008
I know Flacco has had an excellent year but you can't expect a rookie quarterback to be successful against that Pittsburgh defense...they're just too fast and too smart. We're lucky that Flacco didn't fumble the ball a half dozen times. He made some reasonably accurate bullet passes but there was always a Steeler hand in the way. Our running game was going to have to win that game for us. McClain pounded the ball well but McGahee didn't do much to complement the effort.

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