Ravens giving season away

Ravens giving season away

There are 26 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Nov 23, 2007, titled Ravens giving season away. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

You can blame the Ravens' frustrating season on injuries, penalties and coach Brian Billick's play-calling. But the biggest problem is turnovers.

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bill costello

Cockeysville, MD

#1 Nov 23, 2007
Penalties (especially by offensive side) and turnovers are symptomatic of poor coaching. Check the stats of teams coached by Vince Lombardi and Bill Bellichek
johnjames44

United States

#2 Nov 23, 2007
Absolutely amazing to see Hepecking come to this conclusion. I can only assume that the information and statistics were pointed out to him by a woman. There is no way that he could have figured this situation for himself
Ray Venn

Washington, DC

#3 Nov 23, 2007
Good article. Turnovers, and the points scored off of them, are lethal in football. Ball control is Football 101 stuff, and, while nobody's perfect, to have as many turnovers as we've had this season, particularly fumbles, is a prescription for disaster.
dyno don

Houston, TX

#4 Nov 23, 2007
I'm at a loss to equate turnovers with Brian Billick.

Yes, do get rid of him. But do you ever hear top coaches praised because their teams do not fumble?

Worst case, fire the special teams coach if returners fumble. Fire the receivers coach for their drops. Fire the QB coach for their fumbles and interceptions.

Did our receivers have sure hands in college, but develop dropsies when they got to Baltimore?
Joey

United States

#5 Nov 23, 2007
The RAVENS are being whittled away by injuries and their performance is sagging because of the injuries.

This happens to a few teams every year.
Charlie

Mechanicsburg, PA

#6 Nov 23, 2007
Turnovers are result of poor fundamentals and poor coaching. Billick did a poor coaching job in 2005 and he is repeating in 2007. Now that he has a new four-year contract he can be very casual about the success or failure of the Ravens. He was just as casual when he said that Phil Savage was very smart when grabbing Derek Anderson off waivers. The truth is a half dozen teams were interested in picking up Anderson. How smart is the Raven's organization when they don't realize the ability of their talent and especially a potentially first-rate quarterback to get away after having eleven starting quarterbacks in ten seasons.
Tony

United States

#7 Nov 23, 2007
The reason the Ravens record is 4 and 6 is because that's what they are - a 4 and 6 team. The players we have fielded simply AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH. As far as the turnovers, that's due to lack of preparation in most cases, plain and simple.

Since: Sep 07

Frederick, MD

#8 Nov 23, 2007
What about PENALTIES?
FIRE B I L L I C K NOW!
Lee

Bradenton, FL

#9 Nov 23, 2007
You can't blame the coach on players not holding onto the ball. It amazes me that everyone wants to point fingers at Billick and yet are soft on criticizing the players.
DD West

AOL

#10 Nov 23, 2007
The preoccupation with blaming Brian Billick for every problem with the Ravens is just getting ridiculous. So, he was a great coach in some years, i.e. 2000, 2006, but a bad coach in 2005 and 2007? He's casual about his job? Yea, that 100 hours he works a week, the look of disgust on his face when something goes wrong! Yes, he doesn't care and he is a slacker! Give me a break!

I'm sure the coaches always stress fundamentals, but maybe sometimes it's just the talent level on the field....affected by injuries. For example, having to play third string tight ends and punt returners.

Also, the Derek Anderson decision and other personnel moves. If you are going to critize Billick, what about Ozzie who has the last say in any move?

“Everyone has something to say”

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#11 Nov 23, 2007
Whoever helped Tiki Barber with his fumbleitis needs to come to the Ravens. The turnovers shouldn't overshadow our inept red zone offense, but they've definitely provided opponents with easy points.

This team has a lot of talent, so with an injury-free year (like last year), they'll be back before you know it. The NFL is so annoying with parity that every team is going to eventually have a run. People need to keep that in mind when they're screaming for Billick's head.

I like Billick (aside from his play calling), and I'm not sure where the real problems actually are (injuries, personnel, coaching, etc.). As DD West said, Billick has good years, too. Last year he was a hero, this year, he's a villain. There are a lot of coaches under Billick who are just as much at fault as Brian. As is typical with complacency and familiarity with a long-term coach, you have to have some reservations with change - like how a new coach/system could hurt us more than it helps since it would shake things up and possibly divide players (if we don't hire Rex). I guess we'll see what happens.

Go Ravens!
Alex

Little Elm, TX

#12 Nov 23, 2007
As far as I am concerned, Brian Billick has to go. He has lost control of his team's ability to be successful. Also, the Raven's team president must be replaced. We need someone who recognizes talent and is willing to put top talented players on the field. We need a top-rated QB and a top-rated receiver. We need a coach that understands the fundamentals of NFL 101.
Cornell

Baltimore, MD

#13 Nov 23, 2007
Alex wrote:
As far as I am concerned, Brian Billick has to go. He has lost control of his team's ability to be successful. Also, the Raven's team president must be replaced. We need someone who recognizes talent and is willing to put top talented players on the field. We need a top-rated QB and a top-rated receiver. We need a coach that understands the fundamentals of NFL 101.
We have the nucleus of an outstanding team. And true we need some position player's to be replaced for different reasons. We need a new system or coach. However, evaluating those player's should be scrutinized as we've lost key components to the scouting sector.The positions in question have been plaqued with injuries. A few of the writer's have me a new outlook, however the system needs a overhaul.
dyno don

Houston, TX

#14 Nov 23, 2007
Good to see some people suggesting that Billick does not fumble, stumble or drop passes. I'm a long way from Baltimore, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume Billick does not spend much time with the OL? If not, how do we blame him for false starts and offsides? Bottom line, the OL coach is immediately responsible for the discipline and fundamentals of his unit. The same general conclusion can be drawn about the discipline and fundamentals of the other units.
Assume the bizarre - that Billick does not care about looking like a fool. In that case, his coaches don't care either? Do you really believe Billick would veto extra practice on fundamentals if his receivers coach, QB coach, OL coach, etc scheduled them?

On Ozzie: he has had some good picks, but a lot of stinkers, too: D Cody, A Terry, Pittman, D Edwards. list our last 4 or 5 second and third round choices - it's not pretty. We can NOT afford anything less than an "A" quality draft next year - and that extends way beyond round one.

If our OL does not mature and improve VERY fast (by next season) why draft a top QB in the first round?

Ray is still a good to very good LB, but we need to be grooming his replacement now.

Ozzie does have final word, right? Then let's hear some comments about HIM.
BABAGANUCHE

Baltimore, MD

#15 Nov 23, 2007
thanks to this genius, we now know why we are loosing so many games. and the intellectual reporter points out , if they keep turning the ball over the ravens will continue to loose. it only took him 11 weeks to figure it out , he is a reporting guru, reporting genius, and a lot smarter than Mike Preston.
Rob

Las Vegas, NV

#16 Nov 23, 2007
all these turnovers can be overturned by 1 turnover.... a coaching turnover....so Bachman turner overdrive it please buschiotti.
Bruce

Harpers Ferry, WV

#17 Nov 24, 2007
Lee wrote:
You can't blame the coach on players not holding onto the ball.
Yes you can, because he and the other coaches are the ones that teach them the fundamentals of the game. Part of that teaching is to show them how NOT to fumble, like holding on to the ball with both hands, not switching the ball to another arm in mid-run, tucking the ball away as a QB when he knows the heat is on. I could go on forever but you get my drift. The coaches ARE responsible for their turnovers. Period. time for Billick and the rest of the offensive coaching staff to go.

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#18 Nov 24, 2007
Bruce wrote:
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Yes you can, because he and the other coaches are the ones that teach them the fundamentals of the game. Part of that teaching is to show them how NOT to fumble, like holding on to the ball with both hands, not switching the ball to another arm in mid-run, tucking the ball away as a QB when he knows the heat is on. I could go on forever but you get my drift. The coaches ARE responsible for their turnovers. Period. time for Billick and the rest of the offensive coaching staff to go.
And all of that is compounded by the head coach leaving in a clearly ineffective and incapable McNair game after game; not giving players like Mike Anderson more carries; allowing Cory Ross to return punts, etc. So it's a combination of poor personnel choices (including putting in Adam Terry at RT just because J.O. is playing LT, despite Yanda having played BETTER at RT than Terry), lack of discipline instilled by the head coach resulting in a ridiculous amount of penalties, poor game plans that routinely incorporate 3 x 3 1/2 yard passes to get a first down, actually increasing the likelihood of turnovers while at the same time putting the team behind, which forces passing situations when the opponent knows we're going to pass, thus increasing the turnovers, horrible clock management, and poor prep/working with the team on basic fundamentals.

Hemsley presents this BS article as if turnovers happen in a vacuum. He sounds as if he's part of the Ravens PR machinery, geared toward putting spins on what's actually happening, rather than trying to connect the dots and present what's actually happening in a proper perspective.

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#19 Nov 24, 2007
And you can add to the above the total absence of screen plays and draw plays, designed to offset heavy blitzes, further cutting down on turnovers. These BASIC FUNDAMENTALS are missing from Brian Billick's game plans year after year. It's mind boggling, really, how infantile his play calling/play design is. It's also naive at best to think it doesn't impace turnovers.
GHT

Portland, OR

#20 Nov 24, 2007
Bruce wrote:
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Yes you can, because he and the other coaches are the ones that teach them the fundamentals of the game. Part of that teaching is to show them how NOT to fumble, like holding on to the ball with both hands, not switching the ball to another arm in mid-run, tucking the ball away as a QB when he knows the heat is on. I could go on forever but you get my drift. The coaches ARE responsible for their turnovers. Period. time for Billick and the rest of the offensive coaching staff to go.
These guys are pros. I learned how to tuck a ball away when I was 10 and never forgot it. If they are only learning how to do it now at the pro level, then we drafted some real dummies. Come on folks, what you do at this level when they drop the ball is sit their arse down or fine the hell out of em. Bark at em, put another player in etc etc. All these guys are playing for their next contract. A good benching for extended time usually helps. Pssst, by the way Skay, I am generalizing, don't jump all over me for simple insight here, I am not Brian Billick.

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