Chicago Bears' Ron Turner's aim this year: Find a playmaker

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MOBILE, Ala. - Ron Turner never flinched as the Bears sliced three coaches from their staff this off-season, cutting ties with defensive assistants Brick Haley, Steven Wilks and Lloyd Lee.
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common sense

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Jan 20, 2009
 
the smartest draft choice for the Bears would be Nate Davis from Ball State. Get a veteran like McNabb for a couple of years as his mentor and get some receivers who can catch the ball and a running back who can get some yards and you will have an oustanding offense that is a threat to score any time. Davis can make all the throws from all sorts of positions. He is a game breaker as long as he has some receivers who catch. The defense can be shored up with later round picks. Concentrate on the offense the first 3 rounds because that is the weakest part of the team...
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Jan 21, 2009
 
common sense wrote:
the smartest draft choice for the Bears would be Nate Davis from Ball State. Get a veteran like McNabb for a couple of years as his mentor and get some receivers who can catch the ball and a running back who can get some yards and you will have an oustanding offense that is a threat to score any time. Davis can make all the throws from all sorts of positions. He is a game breaker as long as he has some receivers who catch. The defense can be shored up with later round picks. Concentrate on the offense the first 3 rounds because that is the weakest part of the team...
I agree totally.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
If Orton could get better throwing the long ball, alot more long plays would come. Give him the nod this training camp and let him have the brunt of the snaps and lets see what he can do.
Receivers, "O" line and some "D" help should be our main concern.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
If I see Darrius Heyward-Bey linked with the Bears one more time, it better be the last. Bey is another Troy Williamson, fast with suspect hands. We already have a receiver that can stretch the field with Hester. We now need a Crabtree or a B-version of him.

Moving up in the draft would be nice, but I doubt the ability to accomplish this feat would be in the arsenal of anyone in the Bears war room seeing that they cant even hire coaches that have some sense of thinking out of the box.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
running back who can get some yards ... really, I dont know if you heard but last year we drafted a guy by the name Matt Forte. He's actually pretty good.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
Common Sense, forget about McNabb it's never going to happen. I do believe the offense should be the focus of the draft. We continually draft early for defense and somehow it doesn't pan out, of course last draft was the exception with the Williams draft but again, it didn't pan out. I don't believe many thought initially that the Forte draft was going to work out the way that it did but at the time of the draft I was happy to see the Bears go in that direction. Go offense early and shore up the D later. Marinelli is going to make a difference with the D line and I believe that Lovie can make a difference with the D scheme. I also believe that as a whole, the defense wants to be better and can be. You can't score points without receivers that can be playmakers. With the exception of the continuing development of Hester we have nothing else to rely on at this time. Hester can stretch out the field, give me a guy that can go underneath and then make a play after the catch. Final solution, use the tight ends like they continually say that they are going to. Olsen's reception numbers have to rise!!!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
It's really amazing that more people aren't looking at Forte as a down field threat.
In the loss to Tampa Bay, he had a deep pass thrown to him that would have been a touchdown if not for an outstanding play by a defender.
Never saw the play again. I hope the Bears do upgrade at multiple positions on both sides of the ball, because the real story of us not winning one more game and getting in the playoffs was on defense. In the end, that's how we failed.
A draft doesn't have to be about fixing one side of the team.
Mix the draft and free-agency to adress both.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
I agree with E B F, if you look at the close games lost, they were lost because of defense; Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Atlanta games were indicative of the problems we have on defense. Keep Orton as the starting QB and get him some WR help and the offense will be fine. The draft and free agency needs to address both sides of the ball, more importantly, the defensive side.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
E B F wrote:
It's really amazing that more people aren't looking at Forte as a down field threat.
In the loss to Tampa Bay, he had a deep pass thrown to him that would have been a touchdown if not for an outstanding play by a defender.
Never saw the play again. I hope the Bears do upgrade at multiple positions on both sides of the ball, because the real story of us not winning one more game and getting in the playoffs was on defense. In the end, that's how we failed.
A draft doesn't have to be about fixing one side of the team.
Mix the draft and free-agency to adress both.
Agree %100!! The draft is always a crap shoot! There are some free agents out there who can help on both sides of the ball. This may be a do or die season for Angelo, Lovie, and Turner so I don't think they want to bank on rookies to get back into the playoffs. With guys like Cowher, Shannahan, and Holmgren out there no coaching job is safe!!! I think the Bears will be more active this offseason whether it be free agency or trades!!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
I personally think the bears already have two good options at WR - Devin Hester and Brandon Lloyd. Yeah that's right, I said B Lloyd! He catches nearly everthing thrown his way (when the ball was actually thrown his way, which wasn't nearly enough!) and he makes difficult catches look routine. He is an excellent goal line threat, as evidenced in the Tampa Bay & Houston games. What the Bears need to do is get rid of Marty Booker and definitely Ra-should-have-caught-that Davis. And play Earl Bennett more for petes sakes!!! How will we know if this guy is worthy of a 3rd round pick if he never plays?!? This isn't rocket science...that being said, the Bears still need a No. 1 receiver. Here's hoping TJ Houwhatshisname would like to play for us...

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#11
Jan 21, 2009
 
Orton needs a guy in Wes Welker mode. Lots of catches and knows how to get open. I like Orton I really do but his down field arm is shaky at best. It wouldn't do any good to get a deep threat receiver for him at this point. Find someone with hands who can adjust to the ball! Have defenses concerned with him so that Hester gets one on one match ups on the edges!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
I totally believe we need a big play receiver. My only concern is that Orton is unable to make the long downfield throws. There were many times Hester beat his man to get open down field,only to see the pass come up short or off target! Most recent were the two pass interference plays to Hester. If we stay with Orton we will need a receiver who can make the big play after the catch. A top receiver would actually make both wideout positions better,also freeing up Hester more. As far as a young Q.B goes,we should just bring along our own Caleb Hanie! So just sign a free agent to compete with Orton this spring,but not Chris Simms! We need to prioritize getting a Bad AAssss D-end who can consistently get pressure on the opposing Q.B. Ogunleye is not the answer there. This would also help to free up Tommie Harris more! I like Alex Brown. Or going after Albert Haynesworth would be another great option. But his price tag might be too much! We should target T.J Houshmenzadah in free agency,someone who can help us right away at wide receiver. I would like to see them give Earl Bennett a shot at the slot receiver. Rashied Davis just cant catch the ball consistently. Bennett is known for his great hands as well. We need to add another O-lineman,probably through the draft. I would trade Vasher or have him back up. Let Corey Graham & Zach Bowman battle out for his position. I would like to see Tillman at free safety,but I am not sure we can replace him at Cornerback just yet. I did like Daniel Manning at Nickel,but not at free safety. I hope for a very successful offseason and I am excited. Bear Down! Go Bears!!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
Igg wrote:
If Orton could get better throwing the long ball, alot more long plays would come. Give him the nod this training camp and let him have the brunt of the snaps and lets see what he can do.
Receivers, "O" line and some "D" help should be our main concern.
'See what he can do?' How long are we going to give him to 'see what he can do?'

He's been in the NFL for four years now. If he can't throw a consistant long ball he's now he's NEVER going to be able to. It has to do with talent, and that's an area where Orton's talent is just a little lacking.

I don't get it. Why does Orton get such a long leash with the fans? With any other quarterback...be it Rex, Griese, Hutchinson, whoever...after a few bad games we had labeled them 'bad' and calling for their heads. But not the Golden Boy. Nope. For some reason Orton can make mistake after mistake and we all keep making excuses for him.

Do you realize that he has started almost as many games as Rex? If Rex has had time enough to 'figure things out' and we've written him off then I will ask once again why such a long leash with Orton?

Sorry, not really ranting at you, I just don't get it. Because I live in southern Illinois and a lot of my friends aren't Bears fans (Colts and Rams) and well, frankly, I get laughed at on a regular basis because of how we, as a fan base, coddle Orton and proclaim him to be much better than what he in reality is: an average (at best) quarterback.

Oh, and to McClure: You said 'before the ankle injury he was making strides.'

I will ask you the same question I have emailed numerous times to David Haugh without a response (go figure.)

'What part of an injured ankle affects your decision making on the field?'

Because the vast majority of his 'mistakes' had NOTHING to do with poor footing and EVERYTHING to do with misreads in the defense.

To borrow a phrase from Rosenbloom 'I'll sit back and wait for my answer.'
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Jan 21, 2009
 
Weezy F Baby wrote:
I personally think the bears already have two good options at WR - Devin Hester and Brandon Lloyd. Yeah that's right, I said B Lloyd! He catches nearly everthing thrown his way (when the ball was actually thrown his way, which wasn't nearly enough!) and he makes difficult catches look routine. He is an excellent goal line threat, as evidenced in the Tampa Bay & Houston games. What the Bears need to do is get rid of Marty Booker and definitely Ra-should-have-caught-that Davis. And play Earl Bennett more for petes sakes!!! How will we know if this guy is worthy of a 3rd round pick if he never plays?!? This isn't rocket science...that being said, the Bears still need a No. 1 receiver. Here's hoping TJ Houwhatshisname would like to play for us...
You make an interesting point about Brandon Lloyd. Everyone was really down on him,but he didnt cause any trouble and he does catch everything! Maybe we could re sign him for 1 year as a back-up. We should be able to get him cheap. I love our talent at T.E and we need to continue to utilize those guys. Go Bears!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
i'm waiting for an article to tell me something we don't already know.

What do we do with the first pick?
I'm leaning towards the O-line; try to establish that for years to come.
Who ever we pick, it has to be someone that can play right away.
I'm ready for some Bear Football, you?

instead we get .....
Warner, and Big Ben....
Cardinals vs. Pitt

it's just not the same as watching the Bears struggle every Sunday .... i'm really struggling without their follies.

And these articles, just don't tell me much
that we don;t already know ...

so, back to enjoying all the love on this b-log ~~ i guess ....

sweet34 ';'
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Weezy F Baby wrote:
I personally think the bears already have two good options at WR - Devin Hester and Brandon Lloyd. Yeah that's right, I said B Lloyd! He catches nearly everthing thrown his way (when the ball was actually thrown his way, which wasn't nearly enough!) and he makes difficult catches look routine. He is an excellent goal line threat, as evidenced in the Tampa Bay & Houston games. What the Bears need to do is get rid of Marty Booker and definitely Ra-should-have-caught-that Davis. And play Earl Bennett more for petes sakes!!! How will we know if this guy is worthy of a 3rd round pick if he never plays?!? This isn't rocket science...that being said, the Bears still need a No. 1 receiver. Here's hoping TJ Houwhatshisname would like to play for us...
World B Lloyd can play. It's too bad he did get hurt, as he was establishing himself just prior to the injury.

He does make plays, and goes after the ball in the air, something he excels at.

Had he stayed healthy, I am sure he would have become our go to guy.

As it was, the Bears Dis' him. Punished him for not wanting to play with injury.

Too bad. I like the way he gets after it in a crowd.

But we let a lot of our players go to other teams, don't we?
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Jan 21, 2009
 
Jessica wrote:
I totally believe we need a big play receiver. My only concern is that Orton is unable to make the long downfield throws. There were many times Hester beat his man to get open down field,only to see the pass come up short or off target! Most recent were the two pass interference plays to Hester. If we stay with Orton we will need a receiver who can make the big play after the catch. A top receiver would actually make both wideout positions better,also freeing up Hester more. As far as a young Q.B goes,we should just bring along our own Caleb Hanie! So just sign a free agent to compete with Orton this spring,but not Chris Simms! We need to prioritize getting a Bad AAssss D-end who can consistently get pressure on the opposing Q.B. Ogunleye is not the answer there. This would also help to free up Tommie Harris more! I like Alex Brown. Or going after Albert Haynesworth would be another great option. But his price tag might be too much! We should target T.J Houshmenzadah in free agency,someone who can help us right away at wide receiver. I would like to see them give Earl Bennett a shot at the slot receiver. Rashied Davis just cant catch the ball consistently. Bennett is known for his great hands as well. We need to add another O-lineman,probably through the draft. I would trade Vasher or have him back up. Let Corey Graham & Zach Bowman battle out for his position. I would like to see Tillman at free safety,but I am not sure we can replace him at Cornerback just yet. I did like Daniel Manning at Nickel,but not at free safety. I hope for a very successful offseason and I am excited. Bear Down! Go Bears!!
NICE POST !!!!
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Jan 21, 2009
 
For people who keep saying that Orton can't throw long balls: Who did he have to throw to? How many times was Hester not where he was supposed to be, and just missed the long pass? He sometimes got bailed out of those situations by PI calls. But we can't rely upon penalties, Hester has to be where he's assigned, plain and simple. If he can get this down, then watch Orton's accuracy with the long pass go up.

How many times did Butterfingers Davis drop the ball, both figuratively and literally? The guy's hands looked like they were made of stone, and it was painful to watch.

Lloyd made some circus catches, that is true. But that injury mid-season killed him. He would have had better numbers had he not missed all those games. I don't know if he'll even be back next year.

And what happened to Earl Bennett? We heard so much about him being the SEC leader in receptions. I was really getting pumped up reading that. Imagine my supreme disappointment when he didn't see even one reception. He couldn't have possibly been worse than Butterfingers Davis. There was no excuse for that. And we can't possibly know what we have unless he actually sees the field. For the love of God, PLAY HIM!

The point is that we need better, accurate receivers who can actually make the play. And we need to let certain people we already have actually see some action, rather than riding the pine all year.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
we do need a big play receiver... at all cost. The QB, and the Defense will all be better if we do that ...

it's going to be so interesting seeing what the Bears (Angelo and Co.)do, as opposed to what they talk.
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Jan 21, 2009
 
A lot of Jerry Rice's TD's did not come on long passes.

Designing plays to get Hester open within the range of your QB makes more sense for a QB like Orton.

Then longer balls can be thrown, as you have established Hester as an insdie threat. Hester's plays should involve "getting him some spacing".

Where do you get spacing? zone defense ...
or one on one coverage. Utilize legal pick plays.

This will keep a Defense more honest against us.

To be honest, the Bears did not get to run a lot of Offensive plays this year. Way to many 3 and outs. It hurt our overall play selection.

SO, we all know it, we can almost call the play selection; Bears are so predicatable, that the average fan usually knows whats coming on 2nd, 3rd down 80% of the time. Just think what the other team must think.

And for a team that prides itself in running; They had way too many short yardage plays that were unsuccessful for 3rd down, and for TD's.

Fix some simple issues with these Bears, and we could have at least won our DIvision this year (current season).

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