Giants craft improbable, but memorable championship season

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The Giants were called so many names during the course of the season, it's hard to remember them all. Full Story
Bob

Ridge, NY

#1 Feb 9, 2008
In this era of professional whiners and complainers and sore losers, you know there are people out there now researching ways to detract from the Giants' accomplishments, be it steroids or spying or whatever they can find.

Since: Jan 08

Bronx, NY

#2 Feb 9, 2008
Bob wrote:
In this era of professional whiners and complainers and sore losers, you know there are people out there now researching ways to detract from the Giants' accomplishments, be it steroids or spying or whatever they can find.
Actually, the most common "sour grapes" I see are from disgruntled Pats fans that [i]still maintain[/i] no one, least of all the Giants, are remotely as good as them.
Certainly, a 16-0 record reflects a great team. But, other teams started to catch up, and clearly the Pats were not as dominant towards the end of the season. I've read everything from "bad officials" to "Eli is lucky". The kind of stuff I would say when I was 15-16.
Anyway, the writer states..."It also was the culmination of the greatest stretch run in sports history, starting with the Giants' wind-blown 38-21 win over the Bills in Orchard Park, N.Y."
A bit of an overstatement, but theres your explanation.
The Giants got "hot" rapidly as the Pats "cooled down" slowly.
Jopa-n

Waterford Works, NJ

#3 Feb 9, 2008
This was the 2nd biggest upset in sports history to the 80 Hockey team. The way the Giants played with so much grit. The way they stood and took blows as good as they passed them out. It was like a prize fight on the grid iron. Then to still have enough gas and determination at the end- remarkable. This is the kind of game that can vault a team forward to a great run over the next couple years.
Don

United States

#4 Feb 9, 2008
I'm 59. I've been a Giant fan since I was a child, when at 9 years old I saw them play in Yankee stadium. We drove upstate to watch the blacked-out Giants home games all those fruitless years until the black-out was lifted, knowing they would probably lose. This season, their win in Super Bowl XLII, and "The Play" were the greatest in their history. Period.
MinnyJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Feb 9, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
This was the 2nd biggest upset in sports history to the 80 Hockey team. The way the Giants played with so much grit. The way they stood and took blows as good as they passed them out. It was like a prize fight on the grid iron. Then to still have enough gas and determination at the end- remarkable. This is the kind of game that can vault a team forward to a great run over the next couple years.
Third biggest. The Jets in Super Bowl III still rank higher. The Colts went 13-1 during the season and then killed a very good Browns team 34-0 in the NFL championship game (the merger hadn't changed the leagues into conferences yet.)
Jopa-n

United States

#6 Feb 9, 2008
MinnyJohn wrote:
<quoted text>Third biggest. The Jets in Super Bowl III still rank higher. The Colts went 13-1 during the season and then killed a very good Browns team 34-0 in the NFL championship game (the merger hadn't changed the leagues into conferences yet.)
I think to many NFL historians, many of whom are now in their 70's, have proclaimed this as the greatest because it saved the league. The Jets blasted the Colts (score not even indicative of how well they controlled the game). In hindsight, It was obvious the Jets were the more talented team- just nobody knew it because they had not seen enough of the Jets prior. Today's game is under a microscope. We all knew the Pats were maybe the greatest passing game of all time vs. the Giants- a solid team who was hot. Play this game 10 times and the Giants win twice. Jets vs. Colts- Jets win 6-7 times. Giants was the greatest upset of all time.
MinnyJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Feb 9, 2008
Nope. Hindsight is not allowed in any equation. It's all about expectations before the game is played. It wasn't considered an upset because it saved a league. The AFL had already been saved by the merger, which would reorganize the two leagues into one after the fourth super bowl. That was already written into a contract. What made their win the best of all time was the fact that the Colts dominated the far-tougher NFL the entire season and avenged their only loss by totally dominating the Browns in the NFL championship game. The Jets, meanwhile, played in a soft division in an inferior league and barely won the AFL championship. They were an 18-point underdog, the Giants were 12. In addition, the Giants were able to stage a dress rehearsal four weeks earlier and would have won that game if they hadn't blown their coverage of Randy Moss on that Tom Brady bomb. And they still only lost by three points. The Jets victory still stands as the greatest upset in NFL history, bar none. I congratulate you for the Giants fantastic victory, but when Joe Namath held up his index finger, he was talking about history, not just one game.
Destiny

Milford, CT

#8 Feb 9, 2008
MinnyJohn wrote:
Nope. Hindsight is not allowed in any equation. It's all about expectations before the game is played. It wasn't considered an upset because it saved a league. The AFL had already been saved by the merger, which would reorganize the two leagues into one after the fourth super bowl. That was already written into a contract. What made their win the best of all time was the fact that the Colts dominated the far-tougher NFL the entire season and avenged their only loss by totally dominating the Browns in the NFL championship game. The Jets, meanwhile, played in a soft division in an inferior league and barely won the AFL championship. They were an 18-point underdog, the Giants were 12. In addition, the Giants were able to stage a dress rehearsal four weeks earlier and would have won that game if they hadn't blown their coverage of Randy Moss on that Tom Brady bomb. And they still only lost by three points. The Jets victory still stands as the greatest upset in NFL history, bar none. I congratulate you for the Giants fantastic victory, but when Joe Namath held up his index finger, he was talking about history, not just one game.
If you're a typical Jet fan (and you sound like you are), you'll be hanging your hat on that game 'til you die. That franchise is a joke. I mean, the pathetic Jet fans even take credit for the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chant! This chant was actually started by Baltimore Oriole fans in the 60's and it went
O-R-I-O-L-E-S.

JETS = Just End The Season.

Since: Jan 08

Bronx, NY

#9 Feb 9, 2008
Of course none of us actually "remembers" this one, but being a lifelong Giants fan, I've heard of this one.

1934 CHICAGO BEARS

Backstory
As the two-time defending NFL champions, the 1934 Bears were already on their way to establishing themselves as the dominant franchise of the 1930s and 1940s. And the T-formation hadn’t even been installed yet.

The regular season
Chicago opened with five straight road games, winning them all while outscoring their opponents 104-20. The Bears didn’t have any close calls until the last three out of four games, eking out victories once against the New York Giants and twice against the newly relocated (from Portsmouth, Ohio) Lions, including the first Thanksgiving Day game in Detroit, to finish 13-0. Chicago was the first undefeated, untied team in the short history of the NFL.

Even in a single-wing era, the Bears’ rushing was impressive — a record (by more than 600 yards) 2,847 yards, including 1,004 by rookie Beattie Feathers, the first-ever 1,000-plus yard season. Chicago had two other runners finish in the top 10 — Bronko Nagurski (586) and Gene Ronzani (485). Red Grange, in his final season, chipped in 156. Feathers’ average gain of 8.44 yards lasted until 2006, when Michael Vick broke it. Speaking of breaking, Feathers suffered a serious shoulder injury in a 17-6 victory over the crosstown Cardinals, forcing him to miss the final two games and the championship game against the Giants.

The postseason
The Bears played in one of the most storied championship games in NFL history — and not because they won. The championship at New York’s Polo Grounds became known as the “Sneakers Game” because down 13-3 in the fourth quarter on a field made slick by freezing rain, the Giants changed out of their cleats into sneakers they borrowed from the Manhattan College basketball team the night before as the rain fell.

The sure-footed Giants scored 27 fourth-quarter points against the stumbling, cleated Bears for a 30-13 victory.
AZ GMen Fan

Tucson, AZ

#10 Feb 9, 2008
"The Coach should be fired." "The Quarterback stinks, what a waste of a first pick." "The Secondary is toast." "Gilbride sucks." "Spags defense stinks." "Strahan is old and coming off injury." "The rookie GM is over his head." "The owners kids don't know what they're doing, should've fired Coughlin when they had the chance."
Tell me you weren't saying one or more of these from the end of the Philly playoff loss last year? I know I did!! That's what really made this year special. They shut EVERYBODY UP, including Pretty Boy Brady, Beli-cheat, and Steroid Head Harrison. Wasn't it Great?? Go GEEEEEE MEN!
Jopa-n

United States

#11 Feb 10, 2008
MinnyJohn wrote:
Nope. Hindsight is not allowed in any equation. It's all about expectations before the game is played. It wasn't considered an upset because it saved a league. The AFL had already been saved by the merger, which would reorganize the two leagues into one after the fourth super bowl. That was already written into a contract. What made their win the best of all time was the fact that the Colts dominated the far-tougher NFL the entire season and avenged their only loss by totally dominating the Browns in the NFL championship game. The Jets, meanwhile, played in a soft division in an inferior league and barely won the AFL championship. They were an 18-point underdog, the Giants were 12. In addition, the Giants were able to stage a dress rehearsal four weeks earlier and would have won that game if they hadn't blown their coverage of Randy Moss on that Tom Brady bomb. And they still only lost by three points. The Jets victory still stands as the greatest upset in NFL history, bar none. I congratulate you for the Giants fantastic victory, but when Joe Namath held up his index finger, he was talking about history, not just one game.
I won't doubt that the expectations were lower, even though I don't know how you get lower than 0% chance of winning. But after the games had been played, it was obvious the Jets were a cut above the Colts, reguardless of what league they were in. The Pats were tons better than the Colts as a team- 18-0 with the most prolific passing offense of all time. the Jets had Joe Namath. The Colts had Earl Morral for most of the game, then Johnny U for a last gasp drive. The Patriots have Brady- who set the all-time passing record, and the Giants had Eli, 6 weeks removed from a career implosion. I'll give the Jets upset a distant second.
Don

United States

#12 Feb 10, 2008
AZ GMen Fan wrote:
"The Coach should be fired." "The Quarterback stinks, what a waste of a first pick." "The Secondary is toast." "Gilbride sucks." "Spags defense stinks." "Strahan is old and coming off injury." "The rookie GM is over his head." "The owners kids don't know what they're doing, should've fired Coughlin when they had the chance."
Tell me you weren't saying one or more of these from the end of the Philly playoff loss last year? I know I did!! That's what really made this year special. They shut EVERYBODY UP, including Pretty Boy Brady, Beli-cheat, and Steroid Head Harrison. Wasn't it Great?? Go GEEEEEE MEN!


You're so right. It was Great. It was like a ridiculous movie plot that could never happen in real life. I also said the same negative things early in the season, but I guess you gotta believe. I do now.
MinnyJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Feb 10, 2008
Jopa-n wrote:
<quoted text>I won't doubt that the expectations were lower, even though I don't know how you get lower than 0% chance of winning. But after the games had been played, it was obvious the Jets were a cut above the Colts, reguardless of what league they were in. The Pats were tons better than the Colts as a team- 18-0 with the most prolific passing offense of all time. the Jets had Joe Namath. The Colts had Earl Morral for most of the game, then Johnny U for a last gasp drive. The Patriots have Brady- who set the all-time passing record, and the Giants had Eli, 6 weeks removed from a career implosion. I'll give the Jets upset a distant second.
Zero percent chance of winning? You're kidding me! The Giants almost beat the Patriots in the regular season and that was before Brady's ankle injury. Come on. If their win in Green Bay didn't make you think that the G-men had a chance against NE, then you don't know football. Consider this: The Giants were the favorite among bettors. They opened at -13.5, but fell to -12. That means that many more bettors believed the Giants would at least cover, if not win. The Jets opened at -17 and wound up at -18 at game time. Again, you can't dissect the game after it's played, you have to consider what everyone was thinking before it was played, then see what the outcome is. The Jets, from a very weak league, totally dominated the Colts, who had won their league games by an average of 20 points. It was a much bigger shocker than the Giants over the Pats. Again, major congrats on your win, but biggest upset ever? Please.
MinnyJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 10, 2008
Destiny wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're a typical Jet fan (and you sound like you are), you'll be hanging your hat on that game 'til you die. That franchise is a joke. I mean, the pathetic Jet fans even take credit for the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS chant! This chant was actually started by Baltimore Oriole fans in the 60's and it went
O-R-I-O-L-E-S.
JETS = Just End The Season.
You're right. The Jets are a joke. Forget Bill Bellichick, how did they ever let Ron Wolf go??!! Anyway, I live in Vikings country now and I'm very encouraged about next year, especially since we beat the world champs by 24 points. Regardless of the pathetic Jets history, they still own the biggest NFL upset of all time. I applaud the Giants championship and encourage you to celebrate for as long as you wish, but please don't rewrite history.
Big Big Blue

Bronx, NY

#15 Feb 10, 2008
Look, the Jets last won the SB 40 years ago, the Giants won last week. It's two completely diffeent eras and the game has undergone profound changes since 1969. It's a little 5th gradish to start with the "my upset is better than your upset."

Having said that, it's really not a very good argument to state that the Colts were 13-1 in 1969, when the Pats were 18-0 this year.

If you are talking about NY sports upsets, it's pretty clear that the Giants upset of the Pats is at least the equal of the Jets upset of the Colts. If you are talking about USA upsets, then the 1980 Olympic hockey team is definitely right up there, but there are others also.

But Jets/Colts is the only thing that Jets fans have, so I'm not surprised that some of them hang on to the distant past as if Namath was some kind of deity.

Call them 1A and 1B, but the 69 Mets might have them both beat anyway.
MinnyJohn

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Feb 11, 2008
OK, so are you in the 6th grade? We're not comparing eras here, we're comparing the unlikeliness of the upset. That's the only way you can make a judgment about "the best of all time." And by the way, since you're counting the postseason ("Pats 18-0"), the Colts were 14-1 when they lost to the Jets, including a 34-0 crushing of the Browns in the championship game, the only team to have beaten them. If you're saying that one loss during the regular season falls very short of no losses, then you're splitting hairs. This is not about Jets fans hanging their hats or holding on to the past, or any other extraneous arguments. This is about history. Just because you weren't born in 1969, doesn't mean it just goes away.
Jopa-n

Waterford Works, NJ

#17 Feb 11, 2008
MinnyJohn wrote:
OK, so are you in the 6th grade? We're not comparing eras here, we're comparing the unlikeliness of the upset. That's the only way you can make a judgment about "the best of all time." And by the way, since you're counting the postseason ("Pats 18-0"), the Colts were 14-1 when they lost to the Jets, including a 34-0 crushing of the Browns in the championship game, the only team to have beaten them. If you're saying that one loss during the regular season falls very short of no losses, then you're splitting hairs. This is not about Jets fans hanging their hats or holding on to the past, or any other extraneous arguments. This is about history. Just because you weren't born in 1969, doesn't mean it just goes away.
Here's another angle to consider: When the Pats beat the Rams, it what considered a big upset as well. But, the Pats went on to win 2 of the next 3 after that. That means that the talent level of the Pats was pretty high and it was the beginning of a run. therefore upset? Don't think so. Just like if the Giants were to win next year, it would bring it down below the Jets victory because the Jets never came close again. The value of the victory can change as time goes on.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#18 Feb 11, 2008
Ken Strong wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, the most common "sour grapes" I see are from disgruntled Pats fans that [i]still maintain[/i] no one, least of all the Giants, are remotely as good as them.
Certainly, a 16-0 record reflects a great team. But, other teams started to catch up, and clearly the Pats were not as dominant towards the end of the season. I've read everything from "bad officials" to "Eli is lucky". The kind of stuff I would say when I was 15-16.
Anyway, the writer states..."It also was the culmination of the greatest stretch run in sports history, starting with the Giants' wind-blown 38-21 win over the Bills in Orchard Park, N.Y."
A bit of an overstatement, but theres your explanation.
The Giants got "hot" rapidly as the Pats "cooled down" slowly.
You're right. I'm a lifelong Giants fan living in the heart of the Cheetah's (aka Patriots) nation. They are still in denial, even today. Its great.

I was arguing with one of them, and finally said "The Pats are lucky it was even close." The G-Men kicked the snot out of them.

G-MEN!!!!! World Champions. So sweet....
Andrew

AOL

#19 Feb 11, 2008
The Pats will rise agin next year all the way

Since: Jan 08

Bronx, NY

#20 Feb 11, 2008
Pfluger the Union Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right. I'm a lifelong Giants fan living in the heart of the Cheetah's (aka Patriots) nation. They are still in denial, even today. Its great.
I was arguing with one of them, and finally said "The Pats are lucky it was even close." The G-Men kicked the snot out of them.
G-MEN!!!!! World Champions. So sweet....
Man, thats gotta be nice right up in the middle of it all. You know, they were SO SURE!

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