Raiders show signs of growing up

Raiders show signs of growing up

There are 21 comments on the The Sacramento Bee story from Nov 29, 2008, titled Raiders show signs of growing up. In it, The Sacramento Bee reports that:

As the Raiders piled up a few questionable penalties team officials were become red-faced. It was if Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler should have been playing two-hand touch.

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TexasRaider

United States

#1 Nov 29, 2008
Maturity makes a lot of difference. That was the difference when Gruden came aboard. He had a lot of veteran players that had been around a while and it didn't take him long to mold them into a winning team. This team is mostly young players on the rise and this last game showed great signs of improvement and maturity. It's all part of rebuilding...Young players develop and mature and before you know it, you have a winning team as long as you stick together as a team.

Since: Oct 07

Corona, CA

#2 Nov 29, 2008
TexasRaider wrote:
Maturity makes a lot of difference. That was the difference when Gruden came aboard. He had a lot of veteran players that had been around a while and it didn't take him long to mold them into a winning team. This team is mostly young players on the rise and this last game showed great signs of improvement and maturity. It's all part of rebuilding...Young players develop and mature and before you know it, you have a winning team as long as you stick together as a team.
amen to that. those penalties on howard were re-dick-ulus. come on commish. he needs to look harder at that stuff.
Lame Raiders

AOL

#3 Nov 30, 2008
Yep, you do have young players that you draft early in the rounds that just do not do well. Losing to the Chiefs with Tyler Thigpen at QB proves it.
TexasRaider

United States

#4 Nov 30, 2008
Lame Raiders wrote:
Yep, you do have young players that you draft early in the rounds that just do not do well. Losing to the Chiefs with Tyler Thigpen at QB proves it.
That was the first game that I can honestly say that I've seen where 1 play really determined the outcome. It was on a fake field goal that we didn't even need; we should've just kicked the field goal and taken a 6-3 lead. If you really think about it, had we just kicked the field goal, then that would erase 7 points off the board for KC and give us the benifit of the doubt that we would've made the FG if we kicked it, you could add 3 points to our score and that one play alone would've made the score 16-13 Oakland on top. That was a major coaching error that cost us the game.
Captain Canada

Wawanesa, Canada

#5 Dec 1, 2008
TexasRaider wrote:
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That was the first game that I can honestly say that I've seen where 1 play really determined the outcome. It was on a fake field goal that we didn't even need; we should've just kicked the field goal and taken a 6-3 lead. If you really think about it, had we just kicked the field goal, then that would erase 7 points off the board for KC and give us the benifit of the doubt that we would've made the FG if we kicked it, you could add 3 points to our score and that one play alone would've made the score 16-13 Oakland on top. That was a major coaching error that cost us the game.
Not to mention missing on fourth and one, instead of taking the points. It's good to be creative, but there are limits.
Misterios Gayfest

Houston, TX

#6 Dec 1, 2008
true. tom cable is a poor coach, and this is the guy you want to keep. but then again the close scoring against the chiefs was just weak to begin with after the broncos debacle.

raiders pathetic.
TexasRaider

United States

#7 Dec 1, 2008
Captain Canada wrote:
<quoted text>Not to mention missing on fourth and one, instead of taking the points. It's good to be creative, but there are limits.
I think on the fake FG it was 4th and 10 and there was no reason to try that play that early in the game when we were in control. We should've taken the 3 given the benifit that we would've made it. Now on the 4th and 1 on our next possesion, I might've tried the fake FG, but that early in the game it would've been better to just take the 3 and move on. I can still honestly say that the fake FG cost us the game since they ended up with a TD on the same play that would've been avoided if we had just kicked it.
Freddy

Granger, IN

#8 Dec 1, 2008
TexasRaider wrote:
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I think on the fake FG it was 4th and 10 and there was no reason to try that play that early in the game when we were in control. We should've taken the 3 given the benifit that we would've made it. Now on the 4th and 1 on our next possesion, I might've tried the fake FG, but that early in the game it would've been better to just take the 3 and move on. I can still honestly say that the fake FG cost us the game since they ended up with a TD on the same play that would've been avoided if we had just kicked it.
Agreed in concept. If the Raiders converted and made the first down, would your opinion be different?

“I knew it.Hank's a RaidersFan!”

Since: Feb 07

Raleigh, NC

#9 Dec 2, 2008
I don't understand the one play decided this game?!!! What about JRuss going 10-28? does that not play into the outcome, whether you blame Jruss or the WR's... that had to play into the outcome...2 lost fumbles??? didn't that play into the outcome? no offensive TD's? Could that have played into the loss? Bottom line is we got beat by a team that was more prepared(not much more preapred)....We fell backwards intstead of moving forward and that is disturbing. If we can't get some offense going regularly we are going to be stuck in this 4 wins or less a year for awhile...I sure hope the coaches aren't blaming this loss on one play...You can't be great without taking risks....I give Cable credit for trying different things... He has to and sometimes it will work and sometimes not...but in no way did one play decide this game.
Misterios Gayfest

Houston, TX

#10 Dec 2, 2008
agree, all this crying about a fake field goal is a waste of time. especially since only ONE raider wr made a catch the entire game and it went for ZERO yards.

raiders pathetic.
RAIDER MISTERIO

AOL

#11 Dec 2, 2008
houston tx. GAY!
Misterios Gayfest

Houston, TX

#12 Dec 2, 2008
true, the raiders are the best ever...at losing.

raiders weak.
TexasRaider

United States

#13 Dec 2, 2008
Freddy wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed in concept. If the Raiders converted and made the first down, would your opinion be different?
I wouldn't be as dissappointed, but if I were coaching the game, I still would've just kicked the field goal.
TexasRaider

United States

#14 Dec 2, 2008
RaiderFaith wrote:
I don't understand the one play decided this game?!!! What about JRuss going 10-28? does that not play into the outcome, whether you blame Jruss or the WR's... that had to play into the outcome...2 lost fumbles??? didn't that play into the outcome? no offensive TD's? Could that have played into the loss? Bottom line is we got beat by a team that was more prepared(not much more preapred)....We fell backwards intstead of moving forward and that is disturbing. If we can't get some offense going regularly we are going to be stuck in this 4 wins or less a year for awhile...I sure hope the coaches aren't blaming this loss on one play...You can't be great without taking risks....I give Cable credit for trying different things... He has to and sometimes it will work and sometimes not...but in no way did one play decide this game.
I took into concept what plays put points on the board. We sacrificed 3 points in an attempt to convert a 4th and 10 and ended up giving them 6 in one play and then they got the PAT afterwards. You can reverse that one play and give us the benefit of the doubt that we would've made the FG and then the final score is Oakland 16 KC 13.

There are other factors like Gibril Wilson dropping and INT that kept a TD drive alive for KC. There is also Fargas losing a fumble deep in our own territory that led to a KC FG, but those points came on later plays. From what I've been hearing, everybody that made mistakes that factored into the loss is taking responsibility for them and not pointing the finger elsewhere, but you still win and lose as a team; players, coaches and all.

I like some of the trick plays that we've been seeing with Cable coaching, but 4th and 10 in FG range early in the game when you are in control is not the time to try a flicker to the kicker fake FG play. Points on the board is what wins ball games and sacrificing them that early in the game is not smart football.

TexasRaider

United States

#15 Dec 2, 2008
One more thing...If Kiffin (or any other coach we've had that Al Davis didn't like) was still coaching us and he called that fake FG play in the same situation and got the same result, I'll guarantee that he would've been fired on the spot in the middle of the game.
Lame Raiders

AOL

#16 Dec 2, 2008
Why are you still crying over this? I mean I understand how embarrassing the loss was and now the entire NFL fan base thinks the Raiders are the biggest joke in the NFL.

“I knew it.Hank's a RaidersFan!”

Since: Feb 07

Raleigh, NC

#17 Dec 3, 2008
I see where you are coming from on the play that changed the course of the game, but I just don't look at a game as one play changing it all...There are too may factors in a game to blame on one play and if we did kick that field goal, the game may not have unfolded the same way...so its hard to speculate...
TexasRaider wrote:
One more thing...If Kiffin (or any other coach we've had that Al Davis didn't like) was still coaching us and he called that fake FG play in the same situation and got the same result, I'll guarantee that he would've been fired on the spot in the middle of the game.
Misterios Gayfest

Houston, TX

#18 Dec 3, 2008
agree, if the raiders wr's managed more than ZERO yards the entire game, they may have won.

raiders a joke
TexasRaider

United States

#19 Dec 3, 2008
RaiderFaith wrote:
I see where you are coming from on the play that changed the course of the game, but I just don't look at a game as one play changing it all...There are too may factors in a game to blame on one play and if we did kick that field goal, the game may not have unfolded the same way...so its hard to speculate...<quoted text>
I see what you're saying too. I've never been one to say that one play determines a game, but it was the first game that I had ever seen and then looked back on and was actually able to find 1 play that could be reversed and change the final score. Granted had we kicked it, we don't know if it would've been made, missed, or blocked,(and that's probably why you are saying that one play did not decide this game) but still it was a bad call all around.
Lame Raiders

Cypress, TX

#20 Dec 4, 2008
Raiders show signs of growing up...by sucking even more in 2008.

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